In NSW the LNP government led by Gladys Berejiklian procrastinated for nine days and waited for dozens of community cases before announcing a general lockdown for Sydney in an attempt to control the extremely contagious Delta virus. By the time the lockdown was announced the horse had bolted, today in NSW there are thousands of cases and 21 dead, yesterday NSW reported 262 new cases and 5 deaths. There is no sign that the government has any idea of how to bring the virus under control. In contrast sudden outbreaks in Victoria and Queensland brought sharp responses from the Labor governments of Dan Andrews and Annastacia Palaszczuk with quick lockdowns and hopefully quick control and lives saved. Another outbreak in Victoria today will see Dan Andrews impose yet another quick lockdown from 8pm tonight, in an attempt to save lives.

NSW had it opportunity to go hard and fast against the Delta virus, like the other two states, but for reasons best known to themselves the conservatives chose to go soft, and the horrifying results are there for all to see. On day eight Morrison the master of the vaccine stuff up was congratulating Berejiklian for not imposing a general lockdown across Sydney, a day later she had no choice. I suspect Berejiklian was pandering to her constituency and mistakenly putting business profits before people.

Gee that was quick Graham, only threw it in 5 minutes ago, wish all conservatives were that fast, including Gladys. I'm pretty good at sticking Vicks up the nose to control the Cold virus, but Delta virus is a bit more difficult.

Paul,
You haven’t noted all the deaths from the vaccine.
Bower has posted about this and he has me worried, well over 1,000 people have been vaccinated in the Inverell district and none have yet died; I guess we’re just lucky.

Hi there my dear forum friend,

Yes Issy, Inverell is the epic centre of safety in the universe when it comes to coved-19, batting none for none, can't do better than that, unless you are living at the South Pole. Now a god to some Forumites, Fat Clive Palmer sent me an URGENT COMMUNICATION recently with the starling revelation that 210 poor Aussies had died after receiving Covid-19 vaccine. Indeed it was true, some died from heart attacks, road accidents, falling out of trees and a host of other misadventures. What Fat Clive failed to reveal was that only 2 died directly from the AZ vaccine.

I've had a good look at Big Clive, and he doesn't need to worry about a jab of Covid vaxx, but sure looks like he's badly in need of a heart attack vaccination asap! A ticking time bomb if I've ever seen one.

Dear Is Mise,

These are the facts:

“About 6.8 million doses of AstraZeneca have now been administered across the country, with seven deaths linked to the vaccine. Six of those deaths were linked to TTS, while the other was a case of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP), which is when your immune system mistakenly attacks and destroys platelets.”

So the chances of death is about 1 in a million.

“The medical regulator said in Australia, severe cases of TTS appeared to be more common in women, especially those in younger age groups ... five of the six TTS deaths occurred in women.”

So of the 3 million doses given to men there was only one death as a result.

The ages were as follows:

Four of the 5 deaths occurred in women aged 34, 48 (2 cases), 52 and 72-years-old. The other death was in a 44-year-old man.

On today's deaths “Four of the five people who died were not vaccinated, while one person had received one dose of AstraZeneca.”

Why is this even a question for you?

Unless you are a stubborn old fool like Hasbeen and want to stand on an ideological coffin go get vaccinated mate. The figures are insanely compelling.

Steele,
Did you not see something?
I guess that it must have gone bye, perhaps out of your line of vision, over your head!

Hi Issy,

Can you fill us in on, what is your Shooters and Hooters Party policy on vaccination? There is a rumour going around the traps that the Grand Party Poobah himself, Big Bob Ballsup believes jabs in the arm are a waste of time. Big Bob favours the direct approach, a 303 straight to the heart of the matter. Big Bob said; "Darn tooten', a shot to the central spot, and we'll blast dem varmints OUT!

The Shooters and Hooters did an animal trial on 40,000 cuddly koala's last weekend, and yep they reported; "A 303 to the heart of those pesky fur balls knocked off every last one of em." Go get em Issy!

Jesus! Can you believe this;

"Dozens of Australia's biggest churches and other religious institutions pocketed millions of dollars in JobKeeper payments while remaining in the black during 2020"

"the Catholic Archdiocese of Adelaide, which received $13 million while posting a surplus of just over $7 million in 2020."

"Prime Minister Scott Morrison's place of worship, the Horizon Church increased its surplus from $42,816 in 2019 to $81,101 in 2020. The organisation's accounts do not disclose exactly how much JobKeeper it received, but it recorded $533,694 in grants and subsidies."

"The Prime Minister declined to comment."

Treasurer Frydenberg said he "hopes" all those organisations that received unjustified payments under Jobkeeper will "consider" repaying. As someone wearing a dog collar once said "we live in hope of salvation", but in this case me thinks there is a FAT CHANCE!

Paul,
You’ll be pleased to know that the Shooters (etc.) party supports the Government on current health concerns and that the SSAA rigidly enforces the wearing of masks and social distancing at all of its ranges.
To the extent that matches where distancing is difficult have been cancelled.

I love the way that Paul, I do not want to give my name,1405 has seamlessly changed from Covid to Delta. Cue that idiot Hazzard describing it as a "Beast of a thing" Chinese Andrews saying "It moves so fast". Sorry Paul I hope you did not wet your panties reading this? The virus is just another cold virus but now employed against us by our politicians.
Facts are Andrews dodgy security that he cannot remember caused the Covid to get into Aged Care and resulted in 89% of all Australian deaths and that is a fact! Every day around 430 Australians die because we cannot live forever and that should be understood by everyone. This will be a case study in how mass panics are started, kept going and ultimately destroy a country.
Unlock everything, no pay for politicians or public service and close the media until panic subsides.
Hard lockdowns are ridiculous and are destroying all the people that carry Australia and that is not the politicians and public service.

Dear JBowyer,

Mate, you are being even more dense than usual. How do you manage it?

Look at these two glorious sentences from you: “The virus is just another cold virus but now employed against us by our politicians. Facts are Andrews dodgy security that he cannot remember caused the Covid to get into Aged Care and resulted in 89% of all Australian deaths and that is a fact!”

So you are claiming it is just another cold virus and you want the joint opened up, but in the next breath you are attacking Andrews for letting it loose.

What a bloody goose you are.

Women under 50 who died as a result of being given the vaccine - 3.

Women under 50 who died as a result of catching the WuFlu - 1.

Nothing to see here....move along.

SR thanks for coming with your usual lies.
This virus is a Corona Virus, one of the common cold viruses, if you cannot understand this then get a responsible adult to explain it to you.
Andrews employed the guards who caught the virus from returning travelers and took it home. Their sisters caught it and took it into the aged care centres, understand now? Of course said guards and sisters would show no symptoms as it is not a danger to fit young people in fact to 99% of the population. Hence SR, lockdowns and you, are as dumb as the proverbial.

Hi Issy,

Nice to know the Shooters and Hooters are supporting the Berejiklian governments shambolic Covid response. With 1,000's infected, 291 just today, and 22 dead, I ask haw many cases, and how many dead your party will accept before it withdraws support for the total stuff the LNP government has made of NSW.

The Greens never supported the shambolic Berejiklian response. The Greens called for a "go hard, go fast" response from the outset, coupled with a pro-active testing and vaccination program. Shooters and Hooters what a miserable bunch!

Dear mhaze,

Again with the disgusting abuse of statistics, you really can't help yourself can you.

And we should note women under 50 getting AZ should be zero. But your side of incompetent politics have left many of them with little choice.

Dear JBowyer,

No mate, don't be thinking you can dodge such a ludicrous proposition. If you want to open the place up totally, along with the obvious 10s of thousands of resultant deaths, you really don't get call out Andrews.

This whole entire thing is becoming depressing.
And everything I said is true.

Did I say that women are spontaneously aborting with pfizer? Yep
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-06/covid-vaccine-eligibility-checker-rejecting-pregnant-women/100353770
Did I say that we don't have international lockdowns we'll keep having national lockdowns? Yep
Did I ask why 99% of the country should be held ransome to the 1% catching planes? Yep
Did I say we should use Dunk Island for offshore quarantine? Yep
What about Long Covid affecting 20% - Did I say that this thing isn't supposed to make people die, but make them sick, forever? Yep
Did I say the school kids, exempt from masks congregating like no pandemic exists? Yep
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/queensland-coronavirus-brisbane-school-close-contact-site/100336530
Did I tell you all that this thing never came from a soup market? Yep

I said it all.

Incompetence, Incompetence, Incompetence

This country has gone to HELL IN A HANDBASKET
- And I'm ashamed of being a citizen with these bunch of clueless twits that could not run a backyard bbq or a chook raffle properly between them.

IM DISGUSTED

AND WHY STOP THERE

I told you all how to fix the economy and the countries shortcomings.
I told you, create a 'Base Level socialist' work system, paying double dole for full time work helping the government do things to save money.
'The job you have when you don't have a job'
Pay $600 a f/n get nothing, pay $600 week get a full time worker.
Including training credits to spend towards the testing of new skills.
Create digital resumes, where skills and previous employment can't be faked.

Make training app based as much as possible.

Use that workforce to build a straight-line HSR and national highway connecting all capital cities direct, - national conduit, including national power grid, water, internet, gas.

Because the only way to make the country more competitive without lowering wages is to lower the cost of transport and energy.

Then, build solar farms and maybe nuclear into this grid.
- put generators on the train wheels so excess power feeds back into the grid.
Use more water wheels and small water turbines in creeks.

Extend the HSR to eastern inland route.

- Then to fix the housing problem, move the workforce over to factories assembling relocatable homes straight off the production line to be transported via this new transport hub.

And put a focus on all school teaching into a single national curriculum online, meaning every class for every grade is a teachable online lesson, so kids don't even have to go to school.

You see? If you'd listened we could've punched out quarantine facilities in record time anywhere, and kids wouldn't need to go back to school in a rush because would still be in place for them to learn their classes AT HOME.

Not only that the cost of welfare, and policing it would be offset by benefits, and people wouldn't lose all they have during hard times and go into a downward spiral in their lives and all the reliance on community services.

BUT NO, INCOMPETENCE

There's just NO Forward Thinking. FOOLS

SR keeps accusing me of abusing the statistics but then fails to even try to show how I've abused the stats.

From what we've seen SR gets so confused with stats that he just sees abuse when he gets bamboozled.

Or perhaps in SR-land any stats that don't tell him what he wants to hear must have been abused.

Its really quite simple. In the last two months three times more women under 50 died from the vaccine than died from the virus in the previous 18 months. True. Unassailable. And very confusing for poor old SR.

The authorities knew the vaccine held some danger for those under 50. But they went ahead and convinced those same people to take the vaccine so that said authorities could try to hide their errors. They convinced themselves that the only way out of lockdown was to get everyone vaccinated and then hid the dangers of the vaccine to those groups.

There are statistics and statistics and it is often easy to be confused by statistics; of the millions who have had the jab, how many have died from the virus and how many have from tthe vaccine?

Hi Issy

With the Liberal/Shooters Hooters policy of lack of control of the Gladys Virus in NSW we have learnt that with vaccination, low as it is with the ScumO' vaccination policy of "I've got no vaccines" that vaccination does have a huge positive effect. Being fully vaccinated, or even partially, infection may not be avoided, but the risk of spreading the virus to others is substantially reduced, the severity of the infection is in most cases reduced, and hospitalisation is reduced by up to 70%, and death by up to 90%.

Dear mhaze,

You with your usual slippery dick treatment of the figures are still beating the drum of: “Its really quite simple. In the last two months three times more women under 50 died from the vaccine than died from the virus in the previous 18 months. True. Unassailable.”

here is absolutely no reflection on how many lives of women under 50 have been or may be saved by the vaccination.

Further it isn't the authorities as such who have stuffed the rollout up, it is your side of politics.

The authorities themselves have been very up front about the dangers of the vaccines but incompetence from your lot is seeing more and more of them having to take the risk with an unsuitable vaccine.

http://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.31.21258081v1

Abstract

Background Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic agent, also has anti-viral properties. Our aim was to assess whether ivermectin can shorten the viral shedding in patients at an early-stage of COVID-19 infection.

Methods The double-blinded trial compared patients receiving ivermectin 0·2 mg/kg for 3 days vs. placebo in non-hospitalized COVID-19 patients. RT-PCR from a nasopharyngeal swab was obtained at recruitment and then every two days. Primary endpoint was reduction of viral-load on the 6th day (third day after termination of treatment) as reflected by Ct level>30 (non-infectious level). The primary outcome was supported by determination of viral culture viability.

Results Eighty-nine patients were eligible (47 in ivermectin and 42 in placebo arm). Their median age was 35 years. Females accounted for 21·6%, and 16·8% were asymptomatic at recruitment. Median time from symptom onset was 4 days. There were no statistical differences in these parameters between the two groups.

On day 6, 34 out of 47 (72%) patients in the ivermectin arm reached the endpoint, compared to 21/ 42 (50%) in the placebo arm (OR 2·62; 95% CI: 1·09-6·31). In a multivariable logistic-regression model, the odds of a negative test at day 6 was 2.62 time higher in the ivermectin group (95% CI: 1·06–6·45). Cultures at days 2 to 6 were positive in 3/23 (13·0%) of ivermectin samples vs. 14/29 (48·2%) in the placebo group (p=0·008).

Conclusions There were significantly lower viral loads and viable cultures in the ivermectin group, which could lead to shortening isolation time in these patients.

Steele,

mhaze has given you statistics that are in the order of magnitude of one grain of sand to the entire Ninety Mile Beach, be thankful for small ooferings.

Hi Issy,

You said; " the Shooters (etc.) party supports the Government on current health concerns". Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What a policy.

How is that NSW Shooters and Hooters Covid policy going. You know the one, the crazy NSW Liberal policy you said your mob support. A policy that sees thousands infected, and people dying everyday, great policy. Did Fat Bob Ballsup think that one up on his own, or was it a collective effort from the lot of your mob. Its nearly as good as your "Murdering Gun Training Policy".

SR whines: "[T]here is absolutely no reflection on how many lives of women under 50 have been or may be saved by the vaccination."

Oh, so you're not saying the figures are wrong, just that you'd prefer to not talk about them and talk about something else instead.

Given that the virus took one women under 50 in 18 months, statistically it would have taken around 0.1 in the time since the vaccine was available to that age group. That round down to zero lives saved. So three deaths, no lives saved.

"Further it isn't the authorities as such who have stuffed the rollout up, it is your side of politics."

I don't think its fair to blame the LibDems for this.

But as I've said before, its endlessly fascinating that those who are most in favour of big government are th ones who whine the loudest when big government screws up, even though screwing up is the default position of big government.

My gut tells me that the existence of 'Long Covid' is indicative of a man-made virus, not a naturally occurring one.

Hi Paul,

I feel so sorry for NSW. Having grown up in
the western suburbs of Sydney - I feel for the
people and what they're currently going through.
Things appear to be getting worse instead of
better. Surely the federal government could
decide to do more - by making vaccines more
accessible to everyone. Lockdowns appear to be a
case of doing too little too late. They don't
appear to be working in the case of NSW.

Vaccination seems to be the way to go. It is
time that the federal government stepped in and
made more vaccines available for NSW otherwise
things are not going to improve.

The response we have seen is just what happens when a public health issue is addressed from a political point of view.

Instead of using the last 18months making preparations for testing centres, quarantine facilities and distribution they've been dodging responsibility and making things up as they go along with the Federal Government getting the States to do the heavy lifting and take the heat.
The way the media personally attacked Andrews is vastly different from the kid-glove treatment of Berejiklian but the public mood is shifting.

Morrison tried to save money by opting for Astra Zenica over Pzifer with no other options and despite the current "spinning" about new Pfizer supplies, all we are getting is what we asked for but slightly quicker.

Meanwhile some of his own Ministers continue to send out mixed messages about vaccination and bogus cures to pander to the RWNJ constituents.

I'm starting to think that this new strain (and the ones to follow) is Nature's way of flushing some particularly denialist people out of the gene pool.

The charge in NSW against Premier Berejiklian and Health Minister Hazzard is; "Incomperdence leading to death". Both should resign immediately. Morrison and Hunt should follow shortly afterwards, due to their total incomperdence in protecting public health.

We need a vaccine against INCOMPERDENCY with the first dozen jab given to Morrison!

NSW deaths per 100000 = 1.
Victoria deaths per 100000 = 13.

Somehow for the innumerate this means NSW is a disaster and the government needs to resign and the government of Victoria is exemplary and needs to be praised.

mhaze, I know comprehension is not your strong point. Did I say the "government should resign", no I did not. I said the Premier and Health Minster should resign due to their incomperdence. In the case of Victoria the Health Minister did resign and the Premier was lucky to keep his job. Is that clear.

BTW; NSW seemed to learn nothing from the Victorian experience. Anyone can be forgiven for not knowing, but these fools in NSW are just plain stupid.

PAul,

A distinction without a difference.

Oh, since you're calling for the NSW premier to resign, you'll agree the Vic premier should have resigned?

We all need to ask ourselves

What would the Greens have done?

Would SHY done a better job than Gladys?

AC,
With Paul’s help and advice the Greens would have amazed us.

mhaze at the time I was of the opinion Andrews should have resigned. Under the dictum of ultimate responsibility. Fortunately for Victoria, following the disaster in private aged care (which was a federal responsibility) Andrews has proven a most capable leader. In NSW no one is taking responsibility for a huge stuff up there. Berejiklian and Hazzard have cost peoples lives and they have to go.

AC, not only are you a full time hot dog seller, you are also a part time virologists. "My gut tells me that the existence of 'Long Covid' is indicative of a man-made virus, not a naturally occurring one." More like you ate one of your dodgy franks.

Issy, still sticking with the NSW Shooters and Hooters policy of deaths everyday from the virus. Now there's an innovative party, all in favour of uncontrolled infection with a daily death toll. Great policy!

Armchair Critic- Yes there may have been some interesting things in the news about the US government apparently sponsoring the Wuhan institute to develop SARS cross that effects humans. Something to do with Fauci perhaps.

The NSW "Gold Standard" is looking a bit tarnished here in Gladystan and what was formerly praised as great leadership turned out to be plain old good luck. This is becoming Ruby Princess Part 2.

It took a lot of time before she would admit her friendly "staycation" was inevitably going to be called a full lockdown - although many businesses continue to have stay open.

Likewise Morrison has changed his tune from criticising lockdowns to claiming they are the only available defence (to distract from the lack of available vaccines). The same goes for the Murdoch press who were savage with Victoria but now warm and fuzzy for NSW.

I have a relative who was turned away from all three major testing sites in Newcastle on Friday because they were all "at capacity" so even if people are wanting to do the right thing they are sometimes blocked by governmental failures.

It's always the same - too little, too late.

Hi rache,

My son 38 who is a public bus driver in Sydney, lives 2 streets from the LGA's in "super lockdown". Tried for AZ Doc said "don't recommend" tried for Pfizer online, denied. Called Doc back, Doc said "try another doctor". Now has Pfizer booked for both of them in mid October, earliest date.

The vaccine roll-out has been a complete disaster. Living in Brisbane, tried to book for 2nd AZ for wife and I on Friday at local Commonwealth location, now past 8 weeks. Told can't do, not taking booking over the counter, "you have to wait for text message on phone...soon" What a balls up.

Maybe Gladys needs to learn to lie about the extent of the virus so that she can have lockdowns when it takes her fancy. You know, like Chairman Dan did in regards to Wangaratta.

http://twitter.com/i/status/1423983612123181056

Hi Canem Malum,
It was a grant from Fauci's NIAID to Eco Health Alliance.
http://www.biospace.com/article/1nih-awards-ecohealth-alliance-7-5-million-grant-despite-political-furor/

And it also included - gain of function -

That is: taking the virus from animals, and spreading it to humans.
- To which they succeeded in several samples.

I knew all this at least a year ago, but probably not 18mths ago.
I've just refreshed my pc, and didn't bookmark the original pages sorry.

mhaze, putting up clips of that old folk hero of yours again. Are you the bloke who was demanding the Fuhrer's photo be displayed in every classroom in Australia?

AC, still relying on the nut jobs from 'biospace' for you spin nonsense on Covid.

What about Gladys, a reporter raised the thorny question of her 'love letters' to her heart throb Daryl Baby where she give him the green light to rip off the $5.5 million from taxpayers.

Pauliar,

I see that in Victoriastan your favourite Chairman is having no more success than NSW. The cases keep climbing and Labor polished turd standard is a failure for all to see.

shadowminister,

You keep crapping on about this gold standard nonsense.

You do realise it was first coined about NSW by the PM don't you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBmVDGjl44U&ab_channel=9NewsAustralia

You really are a mug aren't you.

shonkyminister,

The Victorian outbreak is the direct result of the lack of control of the Gladys Virus in NSW. Why hasn't that incompetent pair of Big Nose and The Hazzard resigned? Hundreds infected everyday and dozen now dead, and these useless clowns keep their high paying jobs, can't believe it!

Stay in NZ and Labours Jacinda Ardern will protect you.

What do you think of the Member for South Manila, Fat George, your kinda guy, and the bucketing he received in the Federal parliament today from the Labor Party, with the blessing of the Liberals. The blokes a complete idiot! As I said, your kinda guy.

Better a polished turd than two that like to roll each other in glitter for the cameras.

As well as sharing mutual support and a tendency toward corruption and pork-barrelling Morrison and Gladys are also fond of shredding documents, deleting files and locking up relevant information from public gaze for 10 years.

As well as exporting Delta interstate, the growing problem in NSW is that people just keep going to those non-essential shops that Gladys is too scared to close.

Hi rache,

The Gucci Handbag shop is an essential business. You don't expect Gladys to front the cameras sporting last weeks bag do you? Covid victims would be shocked at the sight.

My son in Sydney tells me the virus has been found in a nursing home 500m from their home in Bexley. They can't get a 1st Pfizer jab before mid October being under 40 and their doc wont approve AZ for them.

Explain to me again how lockdowns are the most effective way to handle a virus.

For the dummies,

"Explain to me again how lockdowns are the most effective way to handle a virus."

As the title of this thread says; The Chalk & Cheese Responses to Delta Virus.

On the one hand we have the dithering Gladys response in Sydney with a half arsed very late 'lockdown', result; thousands infected, dozens dead and no end in sight.

On the other hand we have the Anastasia response in Brisbane with a quick short sharp 'lockdown', result, few infected, no one dead, and its all over in a week.

No need for lockdowns mhaze they don't achieve anything. Have another swig of the Dangerous Doctor Donalds eliexchloride or whatever, douse yourself in diso if you please.

"Attempted suicide rates among Victorian teenagers have skyrocketed by 184 per cent in the past six months."

"It is very clear that the pandemic is taking a toll on the lives of children and young people."

"In NSW alone, there was an increase of 40 per cent in duty of care interventions enacted by Kids Helpline, a service of Yourtown, in the six-month period. "

"The first national survey of domestic and family violence agencies and their clients has revealed fears of a "shadow pandemic" of violence during COVID-19 lockdowns were warranted.....Most [Domestic Violence] service providers saw a surge in demand"

"While cancer screening is integral to cancer control and prevention, due to the COVID-19 outbreak many screenings have either been canceled or postponed, leaving a vast number of patients without access to recommended health care services. This disruption to cancer screening services may have a significant impact on patients, health care practitioners, and health systems. "

Explain to me again how lockdown is the most effective way to handle a virus.

Thanks Armchair Critic- Yes the Biospace article sounds similar to what I heard but it came from a different source.

Perhaps one of these...

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/wuhan-lab-fauci-grants/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fact-check-did-dr-fauci-fund-research-that-created-covid-19/ar-BB1dxmhg

That the NIAID funded the project is not in question.

However, the WorldNetDaily article goes further than that, claiming that the grant covered "gain of function" research on a bat coronavirus, which "created" SARS-CoV-2.

Gain-of-function research is a controversial form of study that involves boosting the infectivity and lethality of a pathogen. Proponents of gain-of-function say it helps researchers spot potential threats to human health and allows them to figure out ways to tackle a new virus. Fauci has advocated for gain-of-function research in the past. In a 2011 article he co-wrote for the Washington Post, he promoted it as a means to study influenza viruses.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/25/fauci-admits-nih-funding-of-wuhan-lab-denies-gain-of-function/

https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/pentagon-gave-millions-to-ecohealth-alliance-for-wuhan-lab/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/steve-hilton-slams-fauci-amid-resurfaced-video-on-experiments/ar-AAKN0oz

https://nypost.com/2021/06/24/fauci-fought-trump-order-to-cancel-grant-linked-to-wuhan-lab/

Dear mhaze,

Struth mate, one would like to think that on a topic like this you might have done a little bit of home work.

I realise the report does ham it up trying to put the blow torch on Victoria and its lockdowns:

“The statewide lockdown was removed for regional Victoria seven days after it was announced on May 27, but the harsh restrictions remain in force for greater Melbourne.

The report also showed suicide attempt rates were slightly lower federally – they represented 38 per cent of 850-plus interventions, with child abuse accounting for 35 per cent – but was still an increase on the six months prior to the half-year to May 2021.”

But thankfully we do have the suicide statistics for the last 6 months in Victoria.

For total suicides for the 6 months from December 1st 2019 to May 31st 2020 it was 380. For the corresponding period this year it was 326. A nearly 14% decrease.

The year to date figure for children under 18 suiciding is 9 compared to last year's figure of 10.

So by your measure lockdowns have had a proven impact on substantially reducing the numbers of people taking their lives.

Well done, Steele.

I would have thought the reason for lockdowns would be bleeding obvious to the average person.
In a way they are the equivalent to the use of backburning to limit the spread of a bushfire but in this case it's about reducing the spread of infection.

Some claim that there is no need for lockdowns because we have comparatively fewer infections but it's really the reverse. The reason we have a lower infection rate is precisely because of the use of lockdowns and border closures.

There are now thousands of cases in NSW that started from one case some weeks ago and spread to other states by just a couple of travellers so imagine how fast it would travel through an active mobile population - look to India or Indonesia for a couple of examples.

Even the UK is undergoing a new wave since "freedom day" despite their higher vaccination rate.

It may not be the preferred option but it's the only workable one we have.

SR wrote: "I realise the report does ham it up trying to put the blow torch on Victoria and its lockdowns:"

What report?

The quotes I had there were from various articles I've looked at over the last month or two.

So deaths is the only criteria you're prepared to judge the lockdowns on? Massive increase in distressed and suicidal youths but they didn't actually die so nothing to worry about? Massive increase in domestic violence but no apparent increase in murders so all's good? Early cancer detection missed but the effect of that will be down the track so let's ignore it for now? An entire generation missing a year of school, but they'll get over it? Businesses ruined. A life-times of savings squandered.

But all that's okey-dokey so long as the state looks good on the death league table?

Well that's not the way I look at it.

Dear mhaze,

So lots of unattributed quotes. Well I did google the first one and it said in the rest of the piece that overall attempted suicides were down Federally.

However once again you are taking no account of the lives saved by the lockdown measures either in preventing the spread of Covid or the reduction in suicides.

I fully accept that child abuse figures may well be up but that is far more of an indictment on our society. It is a sad reflection that so many of our country's children are safer at school than at home. Or safer because teachers are able to report signs of abuse.

I would be horrible to think that this problem ever cause us to refrain from such an important public health measure as lockdowns, which are being hugely successful when done well.

"However once again you are taking no account of the lives saved by the lockdown measures either in preventing the spread of Covid or the reduction in suicides."

Again you go back to the death numbers.....when all you've got is a hammer...

I was talking about all the societal disasters that these government mandated house arrests are causing. Problems we'll be paying for for decades.

A bit more.....

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2782796

""Being socially isolated, kept away from their friends, their school routines and extracurricular activities during the pandemic has proven to be difficult on youth," said lead researcher Sheri Madigan."

"An important consideration for keeping schools open should be the mental health and well-being of youth,"

"As the pandemic continues, along with public health safety measures such as school closures and social distancing, clinically significant anxiety and depression symptoms are likely to continue and to increase for youth as well"

"Older children had more mental health struggles compared with younger ones, and girls were at greater risk for both depression and anxiety. Mental health difficulties worsened as the pandemic progressed"

But we're winning on the death league tables, so all's good?

mhaze,

You dug yourself into a hole with the virus from the beginning. Being a Trump devotee, you followed all of Dangerous Doctor Donald's machinations when it came to the virus, quack cures, downplaying the severity etc. Now you peddle a "let it rip" philosophy. Do you not agree with Christensen and Kelly, that masks don't work, lockdowns are unnecessary, etc, seems you do, all because you were emphatically wrong about the virus in the first instance, and have been trying to justify yourself ever since.

Paul makes up these little false scenarios out of whole clothe and says it so often he ultimately comes to think they're true, or at least purports to think that.

Just to clarify Paul's errors, I was right that the virus was just a bad flu, masks are unnecessary for the vaccinated and the young, and, depending on the location, for anyone else, and lockdowns have been shown again and again to be ineffective, at least as regards the virus.

But they are very effective at enhancing the power of the authorities, at destroying businesses, at leaving the young distraught.

My good Muslim mate in India hasn’t had one case of the virus on his estates, which include many villages; he locked down early and forbiad all entry and exit.
It’s working.

What about a new way? Everyone who loves lock downs retreats to their home, forgoes any income and remains safe. People like me will go about their daily business as usual. Now if you home-stayers are right we me and me mates will all die and in a few months time you meek will inherit the earth.
Who is going to support me on all the bad dying and the virtuous get the world?

Dear JBowyer,

So your solution is to take the freedoms away from the majority so a selfish minority gets theirs.

Nah mate, it seems things are getting sorted out now just fine. WA aren't going to be letting anyone in without a vaccination certificate. If you want to fly overseas you will need to be vaccinated just like the old days.

Don't you worry your little head over it, the grown ups will prevail.

Whatever your name is Steelie. You have no freedoms, you nong! Cannot go out, everything shut and most small business going bust. I never realised what a parsimonious crowd you lefties were, the true puritans. Well let me tell you girlie sex, drugs and rock and roll will always prevail and you and your mates will certainly get yours. Now off under your bed with your bowl of gruel!

Dear JBowyer,

You really are a daft bugger aren't you. Lol.

Something something roos in the top paddock.

Ah well, itdoes take all kinds.

So tell me, which country do you think has handled the pandemic the best given you think we have done such a dismal job here?

And just bye the bye you need to watch who you are calling a girlie because you mate are the very epitome of someone who can't handle a lockdown or to be wearing a mask or whatever other community behaviour that would let us get on top of this.

Back during the Spanish Flu you had to wear a mask, you couldn't get within 15 paces of others, and if you wanted to go from Victoria to NSW you had to camp in the bush for 10 days.

Now we have soft flogs like you screaming blue murder because you are asked to stay in the comfort of your own home or a nice hotel. What tossers. Man up for once you ponce!

SR this obsession you, and others, have with covid is very disconcerting. See we had three bigger flu pandemics last century and I was in the 1957 and 1968 ones. My memory is that in the first they talked about closing our school but didn't. My older brother was in the BAOR in an army camp where he told me he and most of the camp got the flu. In 1968 my Mother and Sister caught it but even sharing the house, my brother and my Dad and I were OK.
Here is my dilemma, we got through both without any of your girlie bed wetting nonsense of lock downs.
Were we intrinsically tougher than cissy boy Steelie or what?
I see your Chinese overlords have had another TV film showing more lock downs to ensure you hold the line on ruining Australia too.

Dear JBowyer,

The 1968 Hong Kong Flu killed around 1 million world wide. We are currently well over 4 million and haven't seen the back of this by a long shot.

"The World Health Organization estimated the case fatality rate of Hong Kong flu to be lower than 0.2%."
Wikipedia

"The overall CFR for Australia for COVID-19 as at 31 August was 2.7%."
ABS

So you are beating your chest over a disease which was a tenth as brutal as Covid?

What an nancy boy.

Man up for goodness sake. You are an embarrassment.

Back during the Spanish Flu in Australia the developed an experimental vaccine quick smart. Don't imagine they would have had the number of whingers flapping their gums about a tiny risk of an adverse outcome. They just got on with it.

"Commonwealth Serum Laboratories was established during the First World War to alleviate Australia’s dependence on imported vaccines. In 1918 it developed its first, experimental vaccine in anticipation of pneumonic influenza reaching mainland Australia.

Researchers did not know what caused influenza, but produced a vaccine that addressed the more serious secondary bacterial infections that were likely to cause death.

Between 15 October 1918 and 15 March 1919, CSL produced three million free doses for Australian troops and civilians. It later evaluated the vaccines to be partially effective in preventing death in inoculated individuals."

http://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/influenza-pandemic

God we are getting soft aren't we and blokes like you are leading the way.

SR (The mystery idiot) the usual blah, insult, blah, insult, blah from you.
The flu has killed virtually every year and in 2017 killed more than covid has this year and last year, sorry if you now wet yourself. As an aside there were many attempts to make a vaccine for the flu in 1918-19 but all were unsuccessful. The real point is we are ruining the West except for public servants which I suppose you are so no work and full pay, well done!
I just want to be left alone to prove to you people that in fact this is not a health problem at all.
You cannot lose, I die and you do as you like. It is the insistence of you and your ilk that make me so suspicious of these big pharma, most profitable product in history vaccines.
Oh before I forget, go boil your head.

Ah!Ha! It’s a conspiracy.

Yep Issy, by this bloke Big Phama, BTW what kind of pham has this bloke got, they do tell its pretty big, that's why the call him Big Phama.

Back on the topic,

Each day at 11am you can watch the "NSW walking dead" in the form of Glady, Brad, Dr Chant and some copper parade on stage with the same old tripe, wear your masks, $1,000 fines, stay indoors, don't go shopping, the people from the morgue will be around to collect you later. Reading The Guardian online; "Gladys Berejiklian offers slogans in place of solutions as NSW Covid crisis deepens" Its sickening to watch, no pun intended.

"The NSW government’s response has been a blame game: blaming individuals for not doing the right thing, blaming the Delta variant for being different and even blaming the people in ICU for not being vaccinated by revealing the number of patients who had failed to get the jab." Offering a hollow solution of "all will be well...next week, next month, maybe next year, I don't know when" That is the message being feed to the people of NSW and Australia, as all Australian's are under threat from the Gladys Virus.

Standing behind the weeping Gladys at these press conferences is the ever smug and yet responsible NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard, why is this jerk still in office, with thousands infected and dozens dead due to a failure within his department. It seems a long long ago when 'Mr Limo' was carting contagious flight crew to hotel quanentean without PPE or a vaccination, a compete stuff up from NSW Health and the responsible minister The Hazzard! Gladys for her part failed to impose a lockdown and let the virus take hold and spread around Sydney, NSW and other states, another who should be given her marching orders.

Dear Jbowyer,

Mate, you continually do this don't you, pluck figures out of your arse with a rather fetching gay abandon.

You claim “The flu has killed virtually every year and in 2017 killed more than covid has this year and last year”

Utter garbage from you again.

The US flu deaths in the 2017-18 season were estimated at 61,000 from 45 million infections.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

The deaths from Covid from just 36 million infections has been 620,000 people, so literally 10 times more deadly that one of the worst flu season in the US this century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic

But you see here is the thing, I'm really not sure that you are lying through your teeth or whether something in your brain looks at the figures and translates them differently. I suspect the latter and if so then you really deserve my sympathy rather than me being too hard on you.

Come on old fella, man up for once. I'm sure the nurse will give you a lollipop and a nice sticker if you stop carrying on like a pork chop and get this thing done.

Steele,
You’ve got to get out of this habit of using logic or Bower might bow out and then what’d we do for laughs?

You know governments and big pharma have been creating these problems themselves for years.
Where do you think all these increases in autism and cancer rates came from?
Whenever doctors or medical researchers for governments producing bio-weapons
started using syringes to bypass the bodies normal immune systems
to injected matter from sick animals into people.

AC,
What were you injected with?

Steel deluxe. I was referring to Australia in the 2017 flu deaths and we have had less Covid deaths in this year and last.
I am amazed you idiots are so frightened about death. I remember last year listening incredulously as there were sad voices about three women all over 100 who had died of Covid? Again I have to ask, do you fools know you are going to die? Do you know we are all going to die? You are happy in your communist theme park being locked up but some of us want to live. More importantly we want you to leave us alone. You can stand with the corrupt politicians and coppers who can bash the people who pay their wages and protect organised crime, you are welcome to each other.
Apparently people go mad in crowds but come round individually, I am not sure about idiots but lets see what happens over the coming months. Andrews is still the gold standard for killing Australian old people although Cuomo is apparently the New York champion.

http://youtu.be/uezHgoEVI5Q

Epidemiologist says 75% vaccination wont make any difference against Delta

So there.. total waste of time and money.
A nation run by idiots.
And Gladys is lying.

And the whole of NSW is in lockdown.
There has been a run on toilet paper but we’re OK, have thousands of corn husks in one of the sheds, thy make good wipes if one makes sure that there are no corn particles left behind.

Issy, I must be Nostradamus, I told you it was only a matter of time. That corn joke was corny! I know I give you heaps on the Forum, only because you deserve it, but take care old sod, and look after yourself and the family. Are you and yours fully vaccinated? I have a bad feeling about this outbreak, hope I'm wrong.

Cuz tells me there was a big rush on the supermarkets in Orange, yep toilet paper was a priority.

Paul,
Thanks for the good wishes; yes, we’re both fully vaccinated.
That was no joke about corn husks, we usually use them as firestarters and as fuel in the slow combustion stove.
You and yours stay safe as well, it’s not over by a long shot yet.

If you hear a low murmuring in the Southern distance it’s the prayers of thanks being chanted by the Opposition for losing the last election.

What the hell is it with lock downs & toilet paper. It is not as if paper is hard to come by today.

As a kid in Townsville just after the war, one of my chores was to cut up news paper into about 4" squares, poke a hole in one corner for the string that tied a few dozen together, to hang in the dunny, 30 yards up the back yard.

Unlike today, that paper was not delivered free, but had to be bought, actually to get the latest news in those before TV days. So it was not to save money, but toilet paper was as yet not reliably available, like many things just after the war.

Today we get local papers free, & thrown at our front fence almost daily, so there is no such shortage of paper available. Granted one of ours is on glossy paper, & not much use I would expect, but there is no shortage of the unglazed stuff, suitable for such purposes, so why the rush, when food is much more important in the scheme of things. Even news print inks don't come off on what ever they touch today, as of yore, so what's the problem?

It just shows how dependent people have become dedicated use items, delivered to a shop near them. God help us if anything really important suffers a supply problem.

Chalk and Cheese
I just had this youtube video from skynews show up in my feed of recommended videos.
‘It must be part of a master plan’: COVID drugs banned despite efficacy
http://youtu.be/R1eXkeW444w

And I thought to myself, how many people died horrible, horrible deaths, because the government dragged its feet for years not helping people to get CBD oil, that medicinal cannabis extract that people seem to be going to that helps with cancers and such.

My friends pet dog is currently on it at the moment, costs $500 month, but it's the only thing that has made any kind of difference for him at all as I understand it.

I don't know how good these alternative drugs are;
But just thinking about that, means we can't expect the right discussions on what they should've done, until the spend a few more years screwing everything up first.
Par for the course.