Why are the Forums far right so touchy when anyone makes references to their Nazi base. ttbn not long back admitted membership of an extreme far right political party, what was their base? As for ­Julian Burnside he is stating what is obvious, read SR's last post, I have no problem with Burnside, if some Jewish fanatics wants to call it anti-Semitism so be it. As for mentioning the 'Holocaust' and ruffling the sensibilities of some Israelis, don't mention Japanese atrocities committed in WWII, because you might offend the sensibilities of a minority of Japanese. As for making comparisons, if the glove fits, wear it.

Many Israelis are horrified and ashamed of their governments actions against the innocent Palestinian people. Many Israelis have spoken out against their hard right governments attempts at ethnic cleansing.

Dear mhaze,

So unless every instance of the NAZI treatment of the ghetto lines up directly with those of the IDF and Gaza no comparisons can be made? Don't be daft.

“The ghetto was segregated from the rest of the population by a wall and sealed on 15 November 1940.  Jewish policemen guarded the inside of the wall, and Nazi and Polish officers patrolled the outside. Only those with special permits could leave the ghetto.”

And this is different from Gaza how?

“Rations were initially set at approximately 800 calories a day – less than half of the daily recommended allowance for women (2000 calories per day) and men (2500 calories per day). The rations consisted of bread, potatoes, and ersatz fat.”
http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-camps/the-warsaw-ghetto-a-case-study/conditions-inside-the-warsaw-ghetto/

Has food to Gaza ever been rationed to help force compliance?

Well yes.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/israel-sets-calorie-limit-for-gaza-residents-1.553966

Calls to expel the Israeli ambassador to Ireland in 2014 elicited this response from him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggYcE60dlmQ&ab_channel=NowThisNews

At least he got called out on it.

Waving the anti-Semite flag around just to deflect criticism has become normalised. It is one of the most potent forms of cancel culture going and you and shadowminister are employing it without even a blush.

Israel has another issue too, reflected in a conversation of the past with a Turkish fellow mid '90s who was Jewish and would not consider Tel Aviv as a study destination because then he thought the Israeli govt. was 'fascist'.

Earlier, old secular Jewish hippies who did the kibbutz thing in the '70s also observed the immigration, before Soviet types, of what were known as 'American born agains' demanding more stronger political religious policies favouring not just Jews but for more conservative or fundamental believers.

Nowadays is the issue of middle aged and younger more moderate and secular Jews emigrating to the US, EU etc.

Foxy,

What Burnside said was anti-semitic in just about every definition of the word. To make it worse Burnside has done this before, apologised unreservedly, promised never to do it again and then just did it again. Burnside's comments were not just factually deeply wrong but highly offensive to the point of being anti-semitic hate speech.

HRW is an activist NGO that has been criticised for having a deep-seated ideological bias against Israel:

"Human Rights Watch is a powerful NGO, with a massive budget, close links to Western governments, and significant influence in international institutions. Its publications reflect the absence of professional standards, research methodologies, and military and legal expertise, as well as a deep-seated ideological bias against Israel."

Burnside's comments were not just factually deeply wrong but highly offensive given the past.

SR,

As a raging anti-semite, you are constantly trying to justify your bigotry.

Gaza's borders with Israel are those recognised internationally. Any similarity with a ghetto is entirely due to the despotic Hamas trying to kill as many Jews as possible and any "war crimes" committed by Israel pale into comparison to those committed by Hamas against Israel and Gazans.

Some of the actions deemed anti semitic:

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour.

Applying double standards by requiring of it a behaviour not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

SR,

Just because some aspects of what's happening in Israel appear to be similar to what happened in Nazi Germany doesn't make them equal.

Oh they built a wall!! So is every wall builder a Nazi?

During Kristallnacht the Nazis smashed the windows of Jewish businesses. During the recent so-called antifa riots the windows of shops across the US were smashed. Does that mean the rioters were Nazis?

What happened in Nazi Germany and the regions they controlled was genocide of a peoples. Comparing that to what's happening in Gaza is bizarre and smacks of desperation. When Israelis start rounding up Gazans by the thousands and transporting them on cattle cars, you'll have a case.

That you have to make these things up shows just how gentle the Israelis have been toward a peoples that are trying to destroy them.

"Waving the anti-Semite flag around just to deflect criticism has become normalised. It is one of the most potent forms of cancel culture going and you and shadowminister are employing it without even a blush."

I haven't used the term at all in this thread. If I was dealing with someone with more backbone I'd ask for an acknowledgement of that fact, but alas....