Dear mhaze,

Well now you are getting a little defensive old boy.

So tell me just when is the forum's history has the 'go read these links or read these book, ever been acceptable to you lot?

I recall you chiding Foxy for this very thing. But now when you want to get away with it it is suddenly okay, and those who don't do as instructed are dills? That is ridiculous, incredibly hypocritical and an obvious deflection from a weak argument on your behalf.

Bluff and bluster really doesn't cut it mate so why do you do it?

If read with the even slightest critical eye most of the 25 points that could be described as having a socialist flavour have their seeds deep in substantive racist themes. For a country being flooded with Jewish refugees for decades this had obvious resonance with the German people. The fact that you can't be particularly bothered to acknowledge this is pretty typical of you.

A socialist mask hiding a deeply racist core is hardly a reason the proclaim Hitler a card carrying firm believer in socialist principles because he clearly was not, unless of course you want to lump Trump in with him.

Dear Steele,

The word "socialist" does not make either Hitler
a socialist or Nazism a socialist project.
Just as the word "democratic" does not make the
Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea)
a democracy.

SR,

"So tell me just when is the forum's history has the 'go read these links or read these book, ever been acceptable to you lot?"

It's always been acceptable as far as I'm concerned. It's especially acceptable when dealing with an extremely complex issue where the odd quote doesn't and can't cover the complexity and nuance of the issue.

"I recall you chiding Foxy for this very thing. "

Nup, never happened. Just making it up again.But I do call Foxy out when she makes claims about books she purports to have read which I know to be false.

So I reluctantly provide a few quotes from the books I'd suggested need to be read to understand the issue. Reluctant because a snippet here and there doesn't cover the complexity of the issue. But I gave the quotes anyway at the insistence of SR. SR's response? Change the subject...ignore the quotes which were previously so vital. Stand Operating Procedure for SR.

But this was my favourite part of SR's idiocy....
"For a country being flooded with Jewish refugees for decades this had obvious resonance with the German people. "

The Jews had been in Germany for centuries, millennia even. Where were these fictitious floods of refugees coming from? It's just rubbish. The antisemitism in Germany in the 1920s wasn't due to refugees. It'd been there for centuries.

I hate to say this SR, but perhaps you need to read a bit more.

Dear Steele,

Just a bit of clarification for you.

My husband and I lived and worked for close to
ten years in the US.

He worked as an architect, and I worked as a librarian
in the University Library (Edward L. Doheny) at the
University of Southern California.

During our time in the US I joined the "Book of the
Month" Club in order to build up my collection of
interesting material. I managed to acquire - Churchill's
6 volume collection of the Second World War history.
Toynbee's set of A Study of History, The Random House
Dictionary of the English Language (unabridged ed.), The
Times World Atlas, and many more - including the works
mentioned earlier by Speer, Shirer, Conquest, and others.

I resent the implication that I'm a liar and worse.
That's primarily why I no longer want to deal with a
poster who shows such disrespect and who has been proven
wrong so many times and will never admit it.

Anyway, I thought you should have a clarification.

See you on another discussion.

Dear mhaze,

Bloody hell mate, try reading with a little comprehension.

In response to your quotes about the supposed anti-capitalism of the NAZIs I quite rightly pointed out that those parts of the 21 points dealing with this are steeped in racism rather than any true heart felt conviction about socialism, something that Foxy's quotes reinforce.

As to these “fictitious floods of refugees”:

From Norman Chantor's book The Sacred Chain: The History of the Jews.

“In early 1880s severe pogroms broke out in Odessa and several other cities, to be repeated in 1903 in Kishnev in the Russian province of Romania. … The czarist regime watched in sullen contempt as millions of Jews fled westward.”

I would loan you my copy but it probably wouldn't survive the post.

From another source:

“At the height of the Jewish diaspora, 600,000 Russian refugees lived in Germany in 1922/23, more than half of them in the capital Berlin. For most of these people, Germany was only a pit stop on their way further west. Five years later, in 1927, there were only 150,000 Russians still living in Germany. According to Mediendienst Integration, this was largely due to a restrictive integration policy and a lack of legal or economic support for the refugees.”
http://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/8463/a-brief-history-of-refugees-who-escaped-to-germany

This will I hope disavow you of any dismissiveness about the numbers or the impact they had.

Go learn some history mate instead of trying to Lord it over others. You are obviously quite deficient in much of what drove the rise of Hitler and the NAZIs.

Dear Foxy,

No clarification needed. With mhaze we are seeing classic Dunning–Kruger.

“The Dunning–Kruger effect is a hypothetical cognitive bias stating that people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. ... It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from people's inability to recognize their lack of ability."
Wikipedia

SR you can add the Czarist anti-semitic hoax that still has legs 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion'; mostly on the right including alt/far right, QAnon etc. and still informing bogus discourse and conspiracies e.g. Soros in Hungary helping Abbott's chum PM Orban (this conspiracy is both anti-semitic and Islamophobic; something for everyone).

Many Russian Jews migrated from the Pale of Settlement including to Kishinev/Chisinau (Moldova) but one guesses like the nearby city of Iasi/Jassy across the border in Romania Jews were also subjected to pogroms; historian Mazower described Jassy as the worst place in Europe to be born a Jew late 19th century.