Hi Foxy,

The village idiots are talking to each other about you, such flattery! Of course they beat their own drum, claiming to be super brains themselves. As I said, the village idiots.

Dear mhaze,

Geez mate, you comprehension levels are even weaker than your usual poor standard. Foxy has every right to put you on the cooler for a while.

Both the original post and Foxy's discussed whether Hitler was a socialist.

You mince in with “Oh, so the famously left leaning Encyclopedia Britannica says the Nazis weren't of the left.”

The discussion was about HITLER but you surreptitiously swung it to the NAZIS and the most substantive part of your counter argument was to raise their 25 points.

These were borrowed, so hardly originating from deep conviction on behalf of Hitler at all.

“The 25-point Program was a German adaptation — by Anton Drexler, Adolf Hitler, Gottfried Feder and Dietrich Eckart — of Rudolf Jung's Austro–Bohemian program. Unlike the Austrians, the Germans did not claim to be either liberal or democratic and opposed neither political reaction nor the aristocracy, yet advocated democratic institutions (i.e. the German central parliament) and voting rights solely for Germans — implying that a Nazi government would retain popular suffrage.
Wikipedia

And here you are decrying Foxy's apparent lack of further evidence while you list various books you have studiously read on the topic but can't furnish a single quote or idea from even one of them.

For you to claim: “I'm the only one bringing forth facts” when you are doing nothing of the sort is both childish and pathetic.

The only quote offered was Foxy's from Britannia. Absolutely nothing from you. Put up or put a cork in it.

Dear Paul and Steele,

Thank You both.

William Shirer wrote in "The Rise and Fall of the
Third Reich," :

"The party had to play both sides of the tracks."

"It had to allow Goebbels (and other propagandists)
to beguile the masses with the cry that the
National Socialists were truly socialists and against
the money barons. On the other hand, money to keep
the party going had to be wheeled out of those
who had an ample supply of it."
And there's much more in Shirer's
book which totally supports
what was given in Britannica.

" Hitler took a ragtag, worker's party in the 1920s and
built it up with nationalistic, militarist, and racist
rhetoric... With a baffling mix of idealism and
torchlight parades Hitler seized absolute control of a
wounded Germany. The Nazi party made socialist noises while
it cozied up to German industrialists."

Oh good, I'm please to see that Foxy's usual defenders have come out to defend her fabrications. I was beginning to feel a little sorry for her that she'd been abandoned.

SR wants quotes to prove the case that the Nazis were socialists as that term was understood pre-war. That's how SR thinks...summarise a massively complex issue into a sentence that he can then parse to death. But, unfortunately for poor old SR, it doesn't work that way. You really do have to read widely to understand what socialism meant pre-war and how the Nazis saw themselves and how others saw them.

So what to do when you need to go beyond the 10 minute 'research'. You go to PleaseTellMeWhatIWantToHear.com and pretend to have achieve enlightenment.

Not that any of you are going to do it, but if you were concerned to find out more you'd need to read whole books (oh no!) or at least whole chapters. eg Bullock's 'Hitler:a study in tyranny'. Read the chapter's entitled 'The Years of Stuggle', 'The Years of Waiting' and 'Revolution after Power'.

From Shirer's 'Rise and Fall' read the chapters 'Birth of the Nazi Party' and 'The Nazification of Germany'. Also the chapters on the Nazi-Soviet Pact where the similarities between the two regimes are discussed.

You could also try going to the horse's mouth and reading 'My Struggle'.

Dear mhaze,

Lol.

Well mate, now you are vying with shadowminister in the lack of substance stakes.

What a load of waffle.

You chided Foxy for lack of evidence but once again you deliver a post with zero evidence whatsoever.

Instead you now say it is far too complex for you to provide any. Well bully for you mate, and why do you think you could get away with that?

Foxy provided a quote from a well respected publication which you dismissed as too far left, yet there was zip from you in the way of counter evidence. Now she has offered up another without you providing a counter. You name all these books you have supposedly digested but can't give us a single quote or substantive idea from them. Why do you think that is?

You really are all bluff aren't you.

Foxy really doesn't need any help on this, you are self destructing every post you make.

Oh dear SR, this really is too hard for you isn't it.

First on Foxy. She said that she'd read these books that supported her view. I had actually read those books and knew that her claims were rubbish, that the books didn't even address the issue let alone support her claims. I invited her to provide evidence of her claims - not quotes just pointers where the books, all of which I own, said what she said they said. She decided she didn't want to talk any longer.

She did however offer quotes from Shirer which I had told her was the place to go but which don't in the least support her claims and if read in the original rather than as selective snippets, say the exact opposite of what she hopes.

I on the other hand have provided such pointers. Now I appreciate that suggesting you read whole books or even whole chapters is a bridge too far but alas....

But just because I like to be kind to the dills try these.....

From Bullock as per above... "But in origin NAtional Socialism had been radically anti-capitalist party, and this side of the Nazi programme was not only taken seriously by many loyal Party members but was of increasing importance in a period of economic depression.
The question of how seriously Hitler took the socialist character of National Socialism, had already been raised both before and after 1923....but following the victories of 1934 there was no longer any doubt that Hitler was determined to make Germany a socialist state".

From Shirer as above....quoting Hitler "Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists."