Listening to ABC Radio a few minutes ago, they discussed the situation at the Don Dale correctional centre in Darwin. It was said that there are now more indigenous youths in detention than ever before. Some Scottish sound bloke raved on about the Govt lying & how bad the conditions are for the Kids/youths.
I haven't heard him nor the ABC presenter ask why these youths are there in the first place ? Are there only indigenous or are their others as well. No mention on that either.
What I would like to ask these overpaid commentators ask is, what answers do they get from these youths when they ask them why they're doing what they are incarcerated for & what would make them stop offending !
Why not sit down with these kids & ask them that instead of how discriminated against they feel ?

Indy,

They are in there for doing bad things, that's plain and simple. What you fail to grasp is why are children doing these bad things, and why do we have to lock them up. Like St Josephs is the training ground for tomorrows corporate leaders, places like Don Dale are the training ground for tomorrows criminal class. The problems for these kids begins long before they are institutionalised, it begins at birth. Disadvantage, poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, failure of the family unit. This environment of failure and disadvantage creates a vicious circle, only to be repeated generation after generation if real change does not take place. Don Dale is not a place of success, but an admission of failure on societies part. Tackle the root causes, then places like Don Dale will become redundant, but at the moment they are doing a roaring trade.

This must have you over the Moon, its those Darkies acting badly again and some Scottish sounding turkey had the audacity to "rave on" about it. Pack him off back to Scotland, and he can take all those troublesome Darkies with him. After all good white folk like you don't deserve such bother! The only concern you have is these Darkies might one day upset the serenity of your pampered lifestyle.

Paul1405,
Reading your post makes it abundantly that the problem with such kids are people such as yourself, people full of hatred, envy & devoid of integrity. Sadly, you lot are the role models for these youngsters.
I would kick off a non-military National Service scheme with camps all over the country where they could spend time killing weeds & feral pests for a few months & develop some camaraderie & respect for effort. I guarantee that within three months each one of them would reach a mentality ten times better than yours !

Having spent time working in an aboriginal settlement building an accomodation and education centre, so children needed not be taken away from their parents in Alice Springs in the 1960s. You realise they need to be broken away from the camp influences if they are to advance into the Western society. Alcoholism, stealing and violence is common place in the camp, and children grow up in that atmosphere. It is the same in ghetos of Western society, no moral values or direction is given to children; however enlightenment happens occasionally to one or two who find a stable career - eg sports.

"Why not sit down with these kids & ask them that instead of how discriminated against they feel?"

I suggest that we do nothing and stop talking about them. They are rubbish to be locked up so young, and they will always be rubbish and an insult to their race.

if they are to advance into the Western society.
Josephus,
It is not for me to say or suggest the children should or should not "advance" (for want of a better word) into Western society.
What I will suggest is that, if there's no desire to change to the newer society than it'd be more advisable to keep compensating them to the point of health.
Those who are desirous of the commodities are already doing so however, they need to be exposed to the responsibilities that lead to that lifestyle.
People such as Paul1405 aren't teaching nor are they guiding, nor helping to make the youngsters realise that it is Merit & not endlessly bleating for the Govt to "close the Gap".
It is up to them & the Paul1405's to once & for all make up their mind if they actually WANT to close the Gap ! Presently, this "Gap" is nothing more than the line that separates they go-getters from the bring it to me-wanters !
If you want Western commodities then accept the associated responsibilities & sacrifice. If you rather laze away in the Sun go right ahead & see if you can take our useless bludgers & drug ridden morons with you

individual,

The system is "broken" according to many. We might
well ask where are the recommendations that were
made by the Royal Commission into the Don Dale
Detentio0n Centre. What happened to those recommendations?
Why are ten year olds being jailed and separated from their
families? Why not raise the age limit to 14 as suggested
earlier. There's a whole litany of wrong-doings by the NT
government. And who cares? Where has the money assigned
earlier gone to? So many questions. So few answers.

Do we need another Royal Commission? Or simply sack these
parasites running the system? Not good enough!

Foxy, We need another stolen generation - remove them from the camps at birth and place them in settled homes.

Josephus,

It breaks one's heart that anyone's children
should have to be put through these sort of systems.
But you're right, something needs to be done. The
problems have gone on for far too long.

cont'd ...

Where are the Indigenous leaders in all of this?
Why aren't any of them doing something?

Why not raise the age limit to 14 as suggested
Foxy,
Because it's too late by 14 ! Unless you've lived alongside households with such kids you can't possibly understand. Just read Paul1405's posts. He professes to be all knowledgeable about matters indigenous yet he hasn't a clue or, as it is possible to be the case, he's such an extreme racist opportunist that he's deliberately playing the ignorant type.
I have met many of his kind worming their way into the communities under the pretence of being on their side but at the first opportunity they hang tightly around the funding syphon.
That is why the communities can't make the progress many want because of the sabotage by their own & selfish bureaucrats.
Josephus's last post made sense but I'd like to see locals in charge under the guidance of outsiders with no family or clan pressure. This system worked when it was in place in Qld but the Goss Govt ended it because they thought the idea of Cape York being the indigenous State of Australia would appeal to the indigenous.

individual,

What a sad, sad , turn of events all this is.
I can't even begin to imagine how my own
grand-children would fare under similar
circumstances. But we must not give up hope
for the sake of these youngsters. They desperately
need the right role models to come and help them
broaden their outlooks and acquire the right skills
and motivations to try to seek and achieve something.

When I was a child growing up on the North Coast; down the street from our home was an aboriginal family we played with. At the local sports carnival Andy was the fastest runner of the day and was a champion. However sometime later I learned he drank himself to death at 26, always in trouble with the police. If he had been brought up in the right environment he'd been another kathy Freeman.

Foxy,
You would not believe how much of the funding to Indigenous communities does not actually end up beneficial for the people. A lot & I mean one hell of a lot goes to contractors & bureaucrats, consultants & all the hangers-on, none of which have the welfare of the indigenous in mind. Indigenous leaders or rather the new indigenous leaders are no more sincere than the school teacher who only goes to the community because "the money's good".
When the communities (Qld) had a Chairman who presided over a small Council none of the nonsense of today happened. It was only after the Goss Labor Govt dismantled the system that worked & replaced it with the system of ignorance run by just as ignorant & disinterested surplus bureaucrats & mates of mates contractors that things went from slow progress to sped-up regress.
All this happens under the pretence of "closing the Gap". The outcome is outrageous costs to the Taxpayer both social & financial & culturally & social to the indigenous !
The situation will not improve until the senior Public Service bureaucrats are made responsible for turning a blind eye to the damage they cause in favour of their careers.

Hi Foxy,

You said; "I can't even begin to imagine how my own grand-children would fare under similar circumstances." The answer is simple, they would most likely fare just as well as any other children in the same situation, black or white, they would find themselves in the Don Dale Detention Centre. Its not a racially motivated problem, unless of course you believe Aboriginal people are inherently bad, and are beyond redemption, as some on this forum would believe. this is a social problem. It so happens Aboriginal people in the NT make up about 25% of the population, but around 85% of the social disadvantage, therefore they account for about 85% of the prison population. A study of the reasons children in the NT are incarcerated, it shows a high number are being held on remand.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/why-are-so-many-indigenous-kids-in-detention-in-the-nt-in-the-first-place

Paul1405,
Yes, that's not on ! Deal with the morons on Social Media, give their details & I'll make a move on it !
At the same time I ask you to start portraying a true picture on the many other issues you like to pontificate !
Let's look at the reality of the situation. I have always done the right thing yet I copped grief from both sides by morons & thugs black & white !
Racism will be around for as long as education fails the young in every society & the young fail to accept discipline & respect for the efforts of those they steal from !
Older people perpetually excusing the culprits are even more guilty !

Hi Paul,

I doubt if my grand-children would ever end up in
any detention center. We raised our kids the way
my parents raised us. They came to Australia with
only the clothes on their backs. Yet they managed to
work hard and achieve a great deal. They worked at
whatever jobs they could get. They taught us the
importance of education because they'd lost everything
during the war. They taught us to be independent and
ask for nothing from anyone. We did the same for our
children - who taught the same to theirs.

Sporting activities were also a big part of our lives
as they are with our grand-children. They are also
involved in their communities as we were and so are
their parents. The circumstances were different for all
of us. Different cultures, different opportunities,
different values - different histories.

The young Aboriginal children need role models, they
need leaders who will take them in hand and point them
in the right direction. Which we were fortunate enough
to have. Apparently these kids don't seem to have that.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I don't know. I certainly don't think
these kids are bad - they just desperately need help.
Which they haven't been getting.

My wife worked as a Foster carer and often cared for aboriginal children on one occasion on returning the child to the home that had been provided by the Government she found the new carpets thrown outside and holes bored in the floor so that they could hose the floors and the children could pee down the hole.

That is why I believe they need to be raised in stable homes away from tribal youth, drugs and prostitution.

To ever "make it" young aboriginals need not only help, but protection from aboriginal no hopers.

My lady was librarian in a smaller central Queensland coastal city.
At one stage she employed a lovely young girl, late teens, & had her enrolled in a library assistants course. She was a really nice kid, helpful with customers, popular with other staff.

She had a lovely tanned complexion, but I had no idea she had some aboriginal heritage, until one afternoon. My wife's car was off the road, & I was waiting outside to pick her up. The young lady came out, & was immediately surrounded by 4 young obviously aboriginal mixed race men. She gave them something & they left.

I discovered these were her "uncles" & it was her pay packet they had come for. We arranged for her pay to go straight into the bank, but had no idea if this actually helped, the young lady never complained about anything.

A year later she was a single mother, living in public housing on welfare. She could have been a successful lady, but she never had a chance.

Hi Hasbeen,

There was a young neighbour's daughter whose parents
rented out a room to help pay their bills. The young
girl accused some boys in the street of getting
her pregnant. The parents of the young boys got
together and hired a lawyer and took the girl and her
parents to court. It seemed that the young girl had a
reputation at her high school for being "easy."

The accused boys were to young to have gotten the
girl pregnant and it turned out that an older bloke
who rented the room at her parent's house had done the
deed. I felt sorry for the young girl and her family
when I heard what had happened. The family ended up moving
out of the area.

Things happen to all sorts of families. Black and white.

Things happen to all sorts of families. Black and white.
Foxy,
Of course but that's not what the racist bleaters of Racism accept to see ! They focus on the outcome of their own lack of initiative & blame others for it !
Most people aren't racist at all, they're simply put off by the unsocial behaviour of others & the moment a member of another race is involved, the bleating of racism starts.
I watched a few minutes of Abdel Magpied's TV documentary yesterday when they took a white child & a mixed race child & manipulated the experiment in such a manner that that the white child's answers were inevitably racist. Perhaps they showed another scenario later but I simply couldn't watch the racist agenda any longer. That woman should be barred from appearing on TV as she is clearly inciting racial hatred.
The SBS should send normal folk to Don Dale to make a documentary on the mentality of the kids & not just the black & mixed race ones ! There are plenty of white kids who are in the same category. My guess is that it would reveal that commercial TV & video games & useless authorities are the cause of the problem !