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New Israeli Prime Minister

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Described as "far right", Naftali Bennett has served in the IDF, and is reported as saying that he has "killed lots of Arabs in my life, and there is absolutely no problem with that". He has also been reported as saying that Palestinians will never get a state, and he will do everything in his power to ensure that they don't.

The people baying for Netanyahu's blood forgot that they should 'be careful what they wish for'.

Interesting times ahead for Palestinian terrorists.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 14 June 2021 10:13:13 AM
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Nothing has changed in Israel's government policies
or the attitudes of its leaders - regarding Palestinians over
the decades.

"We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians)
never do return."

( David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948).

And -

"The way to deal with Palestinians is to beat them up
Not once but repeatedly.
Beat them up so it hurst so badly,
Until it's unbearable."

(Benjamin Netanyahu).
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 14 June 2021 10:53:20 AM
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At last, Israel has a prime-minister with a heart.

While I disagree with many of his views, I highly respect him as a good and honest person.

Nobody expected a Palestinian state overnight (nor would that be any good for the Palestinians themselves due to the high corruption of their elites), but the ice has been broken - Bennett and his right-wing orthodox party was willing for the first time to work side-by-side with Israeli Arabs and even allow them into their government. For some in his party, given their education since early childhood, that took enormous courage - sadly one of the seven members of his party could not find that courage and defected, but the other six broke through that enormous psychological barrier. As they work together in government, Jews and Arabs will discover that the other is not such a monster.

The last Israeli prime-minister with a heart was Menachem Begin: he ended up returning the Sinai peninsula to Egypt in return for peace.

In his inaugurating speech, Bennett mentioned that he will improve the daily and economical conditions of ordinary Palestinians. I am convinced that he will do so.

Bennett has a heart and so the trust will start to build up, slowly slowly replacing the treachery and ill-spirit of the last governments. Give it time please!
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 14 June 2021 11:18:33 AM
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Yuyutsu,

The new Israeli PM in-waiting is in many ways more
right wing than Netanyahu. He's made his name in
Israeli politics through strong support of the
West Bank Settler Movement. He's also rejected
a separate Palestinian state and called for Israeli
annexation of the settler blocs.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 14 June 2021 11:41:55 AM
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We all have a heart. It's a pump that circulates blood. It has nothing to do with intellect or behaviour, good or bad.

Even accepting that people refer to the pump in romantic and fairytale ways, that sort of sentimentality could never be applied to the new Israeli PM. As usual, Yuyutusu makes a statement without any reason whatsoever as why this politician "has a heart". There is certainly nothing in his history or past statements to indicate that he is anything other than a hard man, which is what Israel needs. He is not for a Palestinian state, and he has no trouble killing Arabs.

To say he "has a heart" is really kooky. Perhaps it's just Yuyutusu being contrary for the sake of it.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 14 June 2021 1:50:59 PM
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Arabs and Israeli's can work together and do in the State of Israel. It is the Iranian influences and Hamas that are in conflict with Israel. Get rid of these and the State of Israel will have security and unity.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 10:12:56 AM
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Dear Foxy,

A separate Palestinian state would be the nightmare of ordinary Palestinians who would end up under one or another corrupt regime, headed by someone like Duterte, Khamenei or both.

Ordinary Palestinians are actually better off, relatively more secure, free and prosperous, alongside most Jewish settlers (with the exception of the extremist Nazis who voted for the "Religious Zionist" party, which is not in the new coalition), though they would be too afraid to tell you this openly - see for a fact what wouldn't they do in order to live as Israeli residents in the annexed and heavily Jewish-settled Eastern Jerusalem rather than in the autonomous rest of the West-Bank!

Bennett used to be the director of the "Yesha settlments council", representing the mainstream Jewish settlers. Though I disagree with their perverted ideology, they are different from the Nazi mob that bitters Palestinian lives.

So if you truly care for the ordinary Palestinian in the street and in their village, rather than for the terrorists among them and their corrupt elites, then you should favour Israeli settlements and annexation.

Now I, alongside about half the new Israeli coalition, oppose Israel's occupation and annexation: this is because I care for the moral and social well-being of Israel far more than for the well-being of Palestinians. The continued 1967 occupation is the worst disaster that ever happened to Israel, so ending it is my overriding concern.

Anyway, the Israeli elections ended in a draw and so the parties to Israel's new coalition have agreed to maintain the status-quo regarding the occupation - neither withdrawal nor annexation, neither increased settlement nor removal of existing settlements. Why? Because Israelis believe that there are currently more urgent tasks to deal with, including the removal of the corrupt criminal Netanyahu, thus the fate of the occupation/settlements can wait until the next elections.

Indeed you also quoted Ben-Gurion - that bastard really had no heart. While being a "Leftist" socialist, it was the Labor party under him that promoted the worst cruelty towards Arabs and non-socialist Jews alike.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 4:04:41 PM
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Dear Ttbn,

«There is certainly nothing in his history or past statements to indicate that he is anything other than a hard man»

See the quotes below from his inauguration speech: http://www.jpost.com/israel-news/bennetts-full-speech-to-knesset-read-it-here-670913

"And yes my friends, we will open a new page in the relations between the State of Israel and the country’s Arab citizens. The Arab community will be represented in the coalition by Mansour Abbas and his party."

"We understand the plight and needs of the Arab society. The fight against crime and violence, the housing crisis, the gaps in education and infrastructure – will be addressed."

"We will begin the process of regulating the Bedouin settlements in the Negev, so that Israel’s Bedouin citizens can live in dignity."



«He is not for a Palestinian state, and he has no trouble killing Arabs.»

As I just explained to Foxy, a Palestinian state would only bring suffering to the ordinary Palestinian while annexation (which I oppose) would give them prosperity. The only reason I, unlike Bennett, will be supporting a Palestinian state, is that it would relieve Israel from its corrosive 1967 occupation.

As for killing Arabs, you know well that this refers to combatants and terrorists. Though I find it sickening, practically every party in the Knesset (apart from the Arab parties and the Ultra-Orthodox which do not serve in the army), Left, Right and Center, prides itself of this.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 4:27:38 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

Naftali Bennett has ruled out a Palestinian state and wants Israel
to maintain ultimate control over all the lands it occupies.
He's also previously called for Israel to be more "forceful"
when dealing with Palestinian people, their property, lands,
and their rights.

Nothing has changed.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 6:23:44 PM
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The people baying for Netanyahu's blood forgot that they should 'be careful what they wish for'.

It's Coke and Pepsi.
They're both kinda the same.

It could only ever be a feces sandwich
- It doesn't matter which half of the sandwich you get.

But you never know, change isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 15 June 2021 10:19:37 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«Nothing has changed.»

All changes begin in the mind before they manifest in the outside world.

You are just impatient: when you plant a seed, do you keep digging every day to check whether it germinated?

Something wonderful has happened in Israel: for the first time in its history, an Arab party takes part in government and is accepted even by the second-most right-wing party.

To understand the enormity of this, consider that in the past nobody in Israel would talk or cooperate with the Arab parties, not even the "Left". If a proposed law (either by government or opposition) was passed at a second reading but only with the support of Arab members, then it was withdrawn from the third reading because it was considered better to fail than to pass a law without a "Jewish majority". Before every elections, different parties asked the electoral-committee to disqualify the Arab parties from running, on the grounds of supporting terrorism. They often succeeded (but then every time the high court reversed the decision on appeal and allowed the Arabs to run).

Now that changed!

For the first time, even Bennett and his group were made to entertain the revolutionary concept that "Arabs are people", which goes against their basic upbringing and the derogatory songs they sang about Arabs from kindergarten.

Menachem Begin and his troops swore with their blood: "Let my right arm be paralysed if I ever forget the Left bank of the Jordan river" (referring to the East Bank, now Jordan), fiercely believing that the whole of Greater Israel belongs to the Jews forever and ever, yet nobody today still wants Israel to control the East bank. Begin ended up returning the Sinai peninsula which was also taken in 1967 to Egypt. He changed his mind and stood his grounds even while extremists wanted to assassinate him for that, for which he won the Nobel prize.

So please give the man a chance, allow him to mentally digest this big step that he made. Pulling up stalks does not make flowers grow faster!

[continued...]
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 12:47:38 AM
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[...continued]

Note also that unlike previous Israeli governments, this new coalition also includes leftist parties. Because of this coalition agreement, the status-quo will be kept and unlike what Netanyahu was planning, no further areas of the West Bank will be annexed and no new settlements built during the next 4 years. Isn't this a blessed change?

This is a great step forward: do not hastily ask for the impossible, expecting all your wishes to happen overnight.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 12:47:41 AM
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The cease fire has ended. Following Hamas's launching of a fire-starting balloon into Israel, an air strike has been made into Gaza.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 10:11:02 AM
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Dear Ttbn,

«The cease fire has ended. Following Hamas's launching of a fire-starting balloon into Israel, an air strike has been made into Gaza.»

Indeed. Also the weather forecast for today:

Jerusalem: 15°-25°, partly cloudy
Tel Aviv: 20°-26°, partly cloudy
Haifa: 20°-25°, partly cloudy
Beer Sheva: 17°-30°, partly cloudy
Kiryat Shmona: 18°-28°, partly cloudy
Eilat: 24°-36°, clear

There were 25 new COVID cases in Israel yesterday,
there are now 221 active cases, 65 in hospital, 29 in ICU, 19 of them ventilated.

An earthquake of magnitude 4.2 was felt last night in Israel, with epicentre 68 kilometers north of Eilat. There is no known damage or casualties.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 1:28:23 PM
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Yuyutusu,

More conformation of your mental state.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 5:58:14 PM
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Dear Ttbn,

In Israel, rockets and fire-starting balloons from Gaza are just part of the weather. Since you started reporting on Israel's current weather, I thought it will be nice to add to that information.

Israel was a pioneer in the discovery and use of silver-iodide and other cloud-seeding techniques to increase rainfall.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 8:37:55 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

The fire balloons was in direct response to ultranational crowds like these marching through Palestinian territories.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/o1c6qz/this_is_the_true_face_of_zionism_racism_is/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

What do you think the response should have been? Acceptance?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 17 June 2021 8:38:00 PM
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A lot of people are happy where they're at with the blinkers on.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 18 June 2021 12:51:15 AM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

You know, there was a tradition whereby the French princes (all those Louis's) had another boy attached to them, whereby if the prince did something naughty, then that other boy was flogged. Great education...

Similarly, the people (and animals, and the environment) who suffer from the fire-balloons are NOT the Nazis who marched through Palestinian territories. In fact, those Nazis do not care for them in the least.

And as for Israel's government, they are too vulnerable to stop those Nazis from marching. At this time it cannot, though I am sure that they would have liked to.

«What do you think the response should have been? Acceptance?»

Emotional response or rational response?

Rational responses are such that lead to a desired result.
I cannot answer for the Palestinians in Gaza because I am not privy to what they want, I mean what they really want as opposed to what they say.

If they want to be bombed, then I would say that they did the correct thing.
But if they truly wanted to stop those marches, then over the years their balloons and rockets only helped to strengthen the extremist Nazis in Israel and bring them to gain and maintain control over Israel's government. Had they not launched those rockets and balloons, then it would be very likely that by now Israel would have had a peace-loving government that would have allowed them to have their own state(s) on all their territories, alongside many other benefits. Either they do not want it, or they respond emotionally and shoot themselves in the leg.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 18 June 2021 1:20:20 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

And equally if those thousands who march had not wanted Hamas to deliver on its insistence that they would react to a bunch of "Nazis" as you say pouring through Palestinian streets they would have refrained.

The government only succeeded in directing the màrrch away from one particular area. Hamas used balloons instead of rockets. It seems some compromise was reached.

Unlike you I have never believed Isreal would ever have delivered a 2 state solution without considerable outside pressure, something that was never a guarantee. Gaza is without checkpoints and settlements precisely because rockets were used. It is the acquiescence of Abbas that sees the West Bank as it is today.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 18 June 2021 6:20:42 AM
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"On Wednesday, 9 June 2021, at around 8:00 A.M., soldiers came with a D9 bulldozer to the Masafer Yatta area in the South Hebron Hills. The forces destroyed a 500-meter-long section of road leading to the community of She’b al-Batum, some of which was paved with concrete, as well as a 500-meter-long dirt road leading to Khirbet al-Mufaqarah. They also destroyed a water pipe that serves the community of al-Fakhit, where 15 families live, which the residents later repaired."

http://www.btselem.org/video/20210616_military_destroys_roads_to_masafer_yatta_communities_and_water_pipe#full
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 20 June 2021 7:20:52 PM
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