$500 payments announced for Victorians.

It appears that if you elect a hopeless bunch of twits to government, you will be rewarded by the commonwealth with a gift of $500 of our money.

After stuffing just about everything they touch, & causing yet another lockdown to the determent of all Victorians, it is not going to be the Victorian government that picks up the bill, but the commonwealth.

Isn't their some way to sack this hopeless mob, & save usall a fortune, & probably a lot of lives?

The whole country's had it.

Someone told me yesterday that people who are released from jail get priority housing over others who've waited for years.
So if you need a home, go commit some crimes and get yourself a 3 to 6 month jail sentence.
It's called 'fast-tracking'.

Agree on the appalling Victorian government, and the idiots who voted them into power (they are either masochistic or insane); but, why the bloody hell did the federal clowns agree to give them money when they didn't have to. Because Morrison is buying votes for the next election, that's why.

In the meantime, while Morrison and Freydenberg are gushing about how well Australia is doing, they are keeping quiet about the fact that, over the last decade private investment in Australia (a lot of it in Victoria) has dropped from $45,000 million to $25,000 million.

Real financial geniuses are Morrison and Freydenberg - not.

It has been said by a person who actually is a financial genius that the best we can hope for since the Liberals went berserk with our money is a gentle decline in living standards,

ttbn,
The person who said that may well be a financial genius, but certainly isn't an economic genius. Technology is continually improving, making the workforce more productive, which should result in a gradual increase in living standards.

Can you say where you got the figures from? I understood the decline to be less than that, and that the sharpest decline occurred in the Abbott era. Abbott's policies often involved preventing the government from making worthwhile investments, based on the lie that the nation couldn't afford them. That, of course, may well result in a gradual decline in living standards.

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Armchair,
Those in greatest need get priority housing over those who are waiting but in less need.
Do you deny that's a sensible policy?
Do you deny that when people are released from prison, many of them are objectively in the greatest need group?

Hasbeen,

This is the whole problem with out our Federation: the states keep getting paid to stuff up. A federal government (let's face, a PM) who was interested in Australia's and Australian's wellbeing instead of merely his own political interests would put a stop to the nonsense by withholding taxpayer funds. This PM us handing out more!

Scott Morrison and Josh Frydenberg have been outfoxed by the Spring Street Soviet. Not only have they agreed to crisis support for hard-up Victorians trapped in Masochist Melbourne by the Andrews government’s open-ended fourth lockdown, they agreed yesterday to Victoria’s demand they build a bespoke quarantine facility near Avalon airport.(From a commentator this morning)

Hi Aiden,
Those in greatest need get priority housing over those who are waiting but in less need.
Do you deny that's a sensible policy?

I think it's sensible, sure, but I don't think rewarding criminals with benefits others citizens aren't entitled to goes beyond the pale.
You're essentially rewarding people for their criminal behaviour and punishing deserving battlers who are pushed down the list every time someone comes out of jail.

"Do you deny that when people are released from prison, many of them are objectively in the greatest need group?"

Don't care.
No one else's fault they're in the position they are, taxpayers already had to pay for their mistakes when they paid to keep them to locked up.
Give them nothing.

You get your centrelink countercheck and then you make your own way to the mens lodge.
And if they want to chage you $250 a week for food and lodgings;
- And you don't have a cent left to your name - then that's your problem.
Go buy a $50 tent from BCF with your counter check and pitch it somewhere.

It's one thing to say you want to help those in need,
Another thing entirely to take away from those most in need;
- To support the lives of criminals, who are wehere they are by their own choices.

Armchair,
>You're essentially rewarding people for their criminal behaviour and punishing deserving
>battlers who are pushed down the list every time someone comes out of jail.

No, Armchair, you misunderstand the situation completely.

THE HOMELESS get priority.
That includes people who are homeless when they come out of prison.

And that is as it should be. Prison is about rehabilitation as well as punishment, and we want to avoid the situation where they think committing more crime is the only way to get by.

What happened to “flattening the curve”, now never mentioned after four lockdowns, each one of which was supposed to do the job? Why the latest lockdown? Not because Sutton the chief health officer said there was a “beast” of a strain in Melbourne. There is no evidence that the strain is any worse than previous ones, or that it spreads any faster, or any differently from the previous ones. So, what is the justification?

We will never know, because it’s just another panic-stricken example of socialist incompetence. Now, Morrison has stuck his bib in, with a sudden and miraculous interest. Obviously something to do with the coming federal election, just like all his moves.

The virus will probably be with us forever. We need politicians (fewer experts) who won’t scamper down the rabbit hole every time a new variant is rumoured.

Dear Hasbeen,

How's it going old cock? Good?

Now a Victorian who has seen the Murdoch media pile all over Andrews, a bloke we feel has done a fair old job, it does stick in the craw a bit when the below standard quarantine effort by the Liberal run South Australian government lets loose an infected traveler into our State and buggered it all up yet you lot of Murdoch sycophants attack Dan the Man yet again.

How does that reasoning go in your brain? Why aren't you getting stuck into Steven Marshall? I will tell you why, because you are all hypocritical flogs flapping your gums for the heck of it.

Enough already.

A few words from Daniel Wild:

"The Prime Minister and Treasurer are lockdown-enablers.”

“The federal government must now accept responsibility for the continued lockdown in Victoria which has unleashed another wave of humanitarian and economic pain across the state.”

More incentives for incompetent premiers to lock down. A Liberal federal government is propping up Labor state governments!

A federal government is supposed to serve all
states and their people - especially in times
of need - and that includes Victorians.
Luckily our current government realizes that
and is doing it's job. Which by the way the
state government has not so far asked for help.

Oh God! The wind must be blowing from the left again, SRs mouth is flapping again.

Dear Hasbeen,

I checked on your information: "$500 payments announced for Victorians."

What I found is: "Victorians CAN apply for $500 temporary COVID disaster payment".

They CAN apply for it if they want to diminish themselves to that level, but they do not have to - nobody is forced to receive this money, so what then is the problem?

So you're saying that if I make bad choices and screw my life up with crime and prison time, no matter what choices I make in life there will always be a motel waiting for me that other taxpayers are happy to pay for?

Wish they had those rules back when I needed a hand.

If you want to house them as part of an effort to prevent them committing more crime, then start and proper 'Inmates Housing Department'
- But don't take the houses away from the regular law abiding citizens.
- Or pack the criminals in with the decent people.
- No wonder housing commission unit blocks are the way they are.
- It's not right.

I've been homeless a few times in my life when I was young, and I was imprisoned for 11 weeks once a quarter of a century or so ago for being unable to pay $2200 in fines, but never once did I go asking for a house when I was in trouble, they wouldn't have given it to me anyway.
Single mums first.

Dear Hasbeen,

Mate, are you really that unoriginal? Come up with your own dig you plagiarising old bugger.

As to your mate over in SA here is another quarantine stuff-up just today.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-04/quarantine-hotel-guests-being-moved-after-toddler-case/100190122

At least this one wasn't allowed to walk out the door and add to Victoria's woes.

Get your mob back in line mate. They are really stuffing it up for the rest of us.

Hi there AIDAN...

The notion that former prisoners of the state should be treated as homeless when first released from gaol is laudable. And in some cases, fully warranted and justified.

Please understand, there is a small percentage of former inmates when they're first discharged from gaol, deserve a helping hand, with matters of accommodation, employment and transport etc., until they become more self-reliant.

However, most of 'em have a wide network of like-minded associates and so-called 'friends' who can provide them with the wherewithal while they're in the midst of planning their next criminal enterprise. To think otherwise is to view the entire judicial incarceration system through the murky lens of rose coloured glasses.

By and large, most criminals, when they're released from gaol, go straight back to the particular endeavour that got them arrested in the first instance. I'm not referring to crimes of passion - Those crimes occasioned against the person in the heat of the moment.

More those individuals who have spent their entire adult lives and teens thieving in the broader sense, from shop stealing, petty theft, and right through to armed robbery and everything in between. All from the community at large, big business, government agencies. And who've learned their trade well while in prison from other criminals and associates?

Here we are reading the rantings of the deranged, with Hassy leading the charge. There nothing which suggests that the Victorian Labor Government is to blame for the latest Covid-19 fiasco. A Covid-19 positive case is let out of quanentean in SA from unsatisfactory hotel with poor testing by the Liberal government of Marshmellow Marshall. With quanenteaning being a Federal Liberal government reasonability under the Constitution, we can't heap to much blame on poor old Marshmellow. Its a fact the Morrison mob have known for more than a year that hotels, are for tourists, and not pandemic sufferers, they were never more than a stop gap measure at best. Did the federal dim wits do anything about establishing new purpose built quanentean stations, of course not, they went to sleep at the wheel, just as they did with the vaccine roll-out, as usual ScumO' from marketing was big on promises, but a complete failure on delivery, with less than 2% of the population fully vaccinated. Then there is a fiasco with another ScumO' reasonability private aged care, the virus got into there and the federal lemons didn't have a clue as to who was vaccinated, and who wasn't, which staff had, had the jab and who had not, another Liberal stuff up. Morrison has got away with riding on the state Premiers coat tails, particularly Labor ones, but the truth is now clear, when the pandemic first hit Australia and Morrison said he was "off to the footy" he should have done so, and stayed there. Like his football team this season, Morrison is a failure!

Hassy, have you been vaccinated? If so with what, fuddy-duddy serum! Me thinks so.

ttbn,
What happened was NZ demonstrated an elimination strategy could work, and Australia followed suit.
It's a pity other countries (apart from a few Pacific islands) didn't do likewise.

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Armchair,
>So you're saying that if I make bad choices and screw my life up with crime and prison time,
Not only if you do that, but also if you end up homeless for any other reason.

>If you want to house them as part of an effort to prevent them committing more
>crime, then start and proper 'Inmates Housing Department'
So now you want to give prisoners special treatment when it comes to housing? Struth, you've changed your tune pretty quickly - such spectacular backflips are rarely seen outside of state governments!

> But don't take the houses away from the regular law abiding citizens.
Why must you view things as one group competing against another? The real solution isn't to exclude people, but to expand the supply.

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o sunng wu,
>However, most of 'em have a wide network of like-minded associates and so-called 'friends' who can
>provide them with the wherewithal while they're in the midst of planning their next criminal enterprise
That's precisely why this is so important - they shouldn't feel they have to rely on that network.

Hi Aiden,
>So you're saying that if I make bad choices and screw my life up with crime and prison time,
Not only if you do that, but also if you end up homeless for any other reason.

So you're saying that if I'm homeless for any reason government housing should be provided for me?
- Well why not just have the government give everyone a house to begin with then?

"So now you want to give prisoners special treatment when it comes to housing? Struth, you've changed your tune pretty quickly - such spectacular backflips are rarely seen outside of state governments!"

No this is more about accounting, and putting the right expenses in the right column.
- If housing is a part of your 'rehabilitation' so they won't commit more crimes, then put that expense in the 'crime and prison expenses column', at least we can be honest about what the money's purpose is.

If it's instead about about the government providing every single homeless person a home, and that some benefit from this policy when others don't;

If it's just a wealth redistribution from the people who do pay tax to the people who make poor choices for themselves, then why not just be fair with that spending mentality and give EVERYONE a house to begin with?

You want to get pregnant when you can't even take care of yourself?
- Sure we'll give you a house.
You want to not care about your own life or future and be homeless or couch-surf at your mates place with a drug addiction;
- Sure we'll give you a house
You want to commit crimes and go to jail
- Sure well give you a house.

You want to go out and get a job do the right thing
- Sorry we can't help you, you'll have to get a private rental.

Somethings not right there.

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"Why must you view things as one group competing against another? The real solution isn't to exclude people, but to expand the supply."

Well why not create a foolproof plan that expands supply?
- I gave you all one years ago.

Start with 'Base Level Socialist Jobs System'
'The job you have when you don't have a job'
'Double Dole for full time work'
'Use MyGov app to organise work shifts'
Why pay someone $250 to do nothing, when you could pay them $500 and have a full time worker instead?

'Build national project, HSR + Road, Internet, water, Electricity hub connecting all capital cities direct.'
'Create digital resume', that shows yours accredited skills.
Use a blockchain if you have to, so that the resume can't lie about your skills and experience'
'Creates work for everyone that wants it'
Make training app related as much as possible'
- With the bulk of training money, used for testing costs for new skills'

- Why because the only way to make the country more competitive is to either reduce wage costs, or reduce electricity and transport costs'
- So we need cheaper transport and energy costs.

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Once you build this new network of road and rail routes and inland routes, then you can uilise it with BUILDING HUGE FACTORIES in every state where relocatable homes are assembled and can come strait off a production line in a week and delivered anywhere in 48 hours, and connect it up with solar farms adjoining the road rail network, and pumping power into a national grid.
- You could find a way to utilise the solar panels that are thrown away with 90+% effeciency still to go, every time some home owner upgrades their systems.

No, instead we've got people saying they want to purge the home owners solar? Why not use that power and turn on bitcoin miners instead if you're just going to waste it, you know the government could gain a valuble asset instead of nothing?

If they'd have listened to me, you'd had you're quarantine building facilities more or less ready to go a year ago, you wouldn't have the problem with returned travellers (one I said stop them coming) secondly you'd have people tested clear before they come to the mainland.

Or why didn't the use the TV.
'Renovation Rescue Quarantine Style', get all the tradies, Bunnings, Home Hardware and the rest of them, hold a bloody telethon, use Dunk Island owned by QLD government sitting in ruins, with an airstrip.
Nope, no forward thinking to be seen anywhere.

The countries become completely hopeless.