Australia's terrorists can be colour coded, even if this shocks the politically correct and runs counter to ASIO's bland new world.

On 25 May 2021,
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7269257/ideologically-motivated-terror-now-taking-up-half-of-asio-work/ the head of ASIO said
"Our investigations [into] ideologically-motivated violent extremism, such as racists and [white] nationalists, are approaching 50 per cent of our priority counter-terrorism onshore caseload,"

ASIO has attempted to be racially, politically and religiously neutral by defining Australia's major terrorist threats as:

- "religiously motivated violent extremism". Yet more than 90% of the time this means potentially or actively violent BROWN Australians motivated by extreme Islamic causes (including Jihad). ASIO, after all, is not talking about the ABSENCE of violent religiously motivated Jewish, Buddhist or Christian extremism in Australia.

AND

- "ideologically motivated violent extremism." Yet more than 90% of the time this means potentially or actively violent WHITE far right Australians (many of whom are overtly White nationalist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_nationalism - like some OLO commenters). ASIO, after all, has not identified Ideologically Motivated non-White violent threats (eg. Aborigines, Chinese, etc) with the exception of a small Kurdish group.

Furthermore key academics and officials have not been constrained by ASIO's laboured neutrality http://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/extremism-and-clear-terminology . This is even if the English speaking (aka "Five Eye") security alliance is attempting to be politically correct. Political correctness aimed at avoiding discussion of the sharp rise of Trump legitimised White Terrorism, infecting other countries, via the Internet, from US based groups.

And after all the sensibilities of (who some consider) "rightwing" Mr Dutton, former Minister, Home Affairs (coordinating "Counter-terrorism policy" including ASIO http://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about-us/who-we-are ) need no longer be avoided by ASIO.

So I argue colour coding terrorism on BROWN and WHITE lines has more going for it than the bland language of political avoidance.

Hi Planty

I take your point, its fair comment. I have concerns about some comments made on this site by obvious White Nationalists. Take this one for example;

"Anybody who would allocate their first preference vote to the Labor, Liberal, Green or National parties is so extremely mentally ill, they should be taken out to the RSPCA & humanely put down with the other dangerous dogs."

"We used to execute people by firing squad for treason.".

Of course probably "hot air", lets hope so.

ASIO makes Dad's Army look professional. Cop Yul Brynner aka Mike Burgess, the umpteenth head of the organisation. All this yabber about terrorism is just an attempt to make him look relevant. Terrorism in Australia is a figment of his imagination: one or two absurd Muslims locked up, and a bunch of bovver boys having a camping trip in the Grampians. Burgess has to come up with this crap to make a compulsory report to the government seem worth having.

"There is a link between hate speech and hate crime, including acts of terrorism…". What a load of bollocks. Even 'hate speech" is not an officially described phenomenon, merely some crackpot's objection to free speech.

When asked to come up with the actual chance of a terror attack, and when it might happen, Burgess mumbled like a drunk. The man is a joke.

And the "white terrorism" is a construct of good old self-hater, plantagenet.

ttbn, their is a fine line between free speech and hate speak. At times some politicians like Hanson have crossed the line to vilify monitories.

BTW, the above example of crossing the line in my view on this Forum was not posted by ttbn.

Hi Paul and tt

Its less about "hate speach" in isolation. Its more about patterns, ie. words that verifiably lead to acts. Even OLO's Mr Hate Speech (LEGO) distances himself from the violent acts of Nazis in Australia.

tt Australia does have a history of Violent Terrorism, eg. the Sydney Hilton Hotel Bombing http://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/terrorism-strikes-sydney-hilton-hotel-bombing

and especially the Australian Terrorist exported Christchurch killer.

You, tt, are no expert. It takes experience (of those principly in ASIO, AFP and State Police forces) to identify potentials, monitor those groups/individuals as these White and Brown Terrorists shift from words, to active preparations.

The main and hardest thing is to head off White or Brown terrorists in the act, often when there's enough evidence to convict.

Tapping into biased media coverage here, and a lack of understanding of the issue among Australians, political activists are pushing a radical and anti-Semitic agenda under the pretext of supporting peace. They have normalised discrimination and hatred against Israelis and Jews in universities with messages of hate. Jewish students and academics are vulnerable to a barrage of antisemitic commentary.

There is also an increase of anti-Semitism in the wider Australian public, and in left wing political parties. The Greens, in particular, have called for economic sanctions against Israel, including that all military trade between Australia and Israel should be stopped. NSW Young Greens announced that they would boycott the Australasian Union of Jewish Students.

ttbn

Unfortunately for you your ignorance of what constitutes Terrorism is apparent.

Where ttbn says "an increase of anti-Semitism in the wider Australian public, and in left wing political parties." This doesn't constitute terrorism. Terrorism requires actual or impending targeted, serious, VIOLENCE.

Not even street demos with scuffles ttbn.

ttbn I can see its in your interests, and those of your cronies, to deflect this thread

from ASIO's new moving target, which is WHITE FAR RIGHT TERRORISM, ttbn

The violent storming of the United States Capital
and the gunning of 91 worshippers in Christchurch
are reminders of where hate can lead.

We need to deal with hateful extremism before it
manifests as violent extremism. Experts have
pointed out that this needs both tighter constraints
on hate speech and the incitement of hatred as well
as investment in and listening to and acknowledging
victims of hate.

Experts also tell us that we need a properly
resourced and maintained open registry of hate
crimes and incidents and not the few disconnected
selections we currently have.

An article in the Conversation tell us that:

" The details of extremism vary but running through
its cocktail of toxic nationalism, nativism, white
supremacy, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, anti-immigrant,
misogynist propaganda and fascism is a river of hate."

Well said Foxy.

Although, as I said, hate speech alone is only a possible precursor to Terrorism.

Put another way, Hate Speech usually doesn't lead to Terrorism. Terrorism requires actual or impending Violence.

If hate speech alone equalled White or Brown Terrorism then Hitler's "Mein Kampf" would have been banned years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mein_Kampf .

It is ironic that Brown Muslim terrorists and White Far Right terrorists are "related" in the sense that they both hate Jewish people.

Dear Pete,

I guess white supremacists may follow Hitler's
thinking on Jews and perhaps the actions
of Israel's dealings with Palestinians might
influence some Muslims. Who knows?

It's the "lone wolf" extremists that authorities need to
watch.

plantagenet

What a great argument: you think I'm ignorant. Well, buddy, I think that you are ignorant. And, anti-Semitism in Australia is worse than the non-terrorism here. It is insidious and cowardly. Terrorists usually put their lives at risk, unlike the sniveling anti-Semites who whine on social media, or hold up placards in a huge mob of fellow morons, protected by the police. Some anti-Semitic whiners appear here.

The only white Australian terrorist that I'm aware of committed his atrocity in New Zealand, and he won't be around again any time soon.

You really shouldn't listen to that bald twit from ASIO, who thinks that he is 'Q' in a James Bond movie.

It's unfortunate that there is a growing trend
for some to equate criticism of Israeli state
policies with anti-Semitism.

While challenging anti-Semitism is vital this trend
to label any criticism of Israel's policies and
their treatment of Palestinians is an attempt to
silence the critics and any support for Palestinian
rights. It usually fails and has the opposite effect.

Israel should be subject to the same
critiques as other nations.

Conflating anti - Zionism with Jew hatred
is a tragic mistake because by people who respond by
trying to protect Israel's actions merely victimise
Palestinians and Israel ends up losing sympathy
world-wide as recent pro-Palestinian demonstrations
have shown.

It is necessary to point out that Islam is not a race.
Therefore to attack Islam is not racist.
Islamophobia is a construct of the Moslem Brotherhood and is used to
prevent criticism of Islam and is supported by the UN. So it is anti free speech.
Any who advocate Jihad must be considered to be Terrorists or at least
supporters of terrorism.
ps I know, I know, Jihad means struggle, that is the standard excuse.

I never heard if the Christchurch terrorist, and he must be considered so,
was linked to a white supremacist group. Was he ?
However the Jihad proponents are supported not just theoretically but
by technical and monetary support by foreign governments and probably
by local moslems or groups.
At present outside of Australia left wing and right wing groups seem
to have merged, and I wonder if it has happened here yet ?

As far as Antisemitism is concerned a lot of the protestors you see
on TV are just protesters that follow this weeks demo cause.
However the genuine ones are just following the Palestinian line
without really looking into what it is all about, Hitler was right etc.

Hate speech laws are extremely dangerous to a democracy.
The UK has such laws; A Christian street preacher as arrested and
charged and convicted of hate speech because he was reading from the bible.
The complaint to the police was made by a moslem.
I agree that incitement to violence should be a crime, but it would
mean that to publish or sell the Koran would leave you open to a charge.

Hi there PLANTAGENET...

ASIO is just one spoke in the wheel of covert intelligence gathering entities that advise the PM on security matters. I've been out of it for a time now, but when I was involved, we employed several intel groups to aid in interdicting criminal (terrorist) activities. In fact, there are several inmates in the Super-Max section of Goulburn Gaol who're considered highly dangerous and a direct threat to the interests and population of this country.

Besides ASIO who deal with internal matters, we have ASIS (Australian Secret Intelligence Service) who confine their activities outside our borders. We have ONA (Office of National Assessment), which provide Intel. and analytical advice to the PM's Department. Then there's PSCC (Protective Security Co-Ordination Centre) and SAC PAV (State Co-Opereration For Protection Against Violence). The existence of the last two agencies are not widely known, but nonetheless are in the public domain. Another group that's part of the AMF, 'The Australian Signals Directorate', possesses powerful Intelligence gathering facilities that disseminate intel. and related data to the other agencies listed above.

All of those agencies mentioned herein have essentially the same goal - The prevention of terrorism. There's a cooperative mechanism between all State and Federal Police, Border Protection, the AMF, and other government departments. The European Union, GB, the USA and members of ANZUS all share intel. To a greater or lesser degree. I hope this throws some additional light on the topic.

Brenton Tarrant the Christchurch terrorist, produced a manifesto which contained much (similar) as what some on this forum post.

"Across 74 pages, Tarrantls dossier regurgitated familiar objections to immigration and multiculturalism, and laments the "decaying" culture of the white, European West."

"Australia was no more than a "European colony", in his view – "simply an offshoot" of its British colonists, and a lacklustre one at that."

""those around [me Tarrant] were the typical Australians, apathetic and for the most part apolitical, only truly showing motivation in matters of animal rights, environmentalism and taxation".

"The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European,"

YES Bazz, Tarrant was not a racists, because Islam is not a race.

Hi o sung wu

What you say may be correct.

But ONA is no more, having been replaced by the Office of National Intelligence (ONI).

See http://www.oni.gov.au/overview

"...ONI formally came into being on 20 December 2018. Representing a key component — and milestone — in the formation of Australia’s new National Intelligence Community (NIC). ONI is responsible for enterprise level management of the NIC and ensures a single point of accountability to the Prime Minister and National Security Committee of Cabinet. ONI undertakes the production of all-source intelligence assessments for government..."

This link http://www.oni.gov.au/national-intelligence-community in turn mention all 10 members of the National Intelligence Community (NIC)

http://www.oni.gov.au/national-intelligence-community sets out. On left sidebar:

"Role of the Agencies

History of the National Intelligence Community

Where it all began – the AIC

Australian Intelligence Community Timeline

Shaping the Intelligence Community

[and]

Forming a National Intelligence Community"

Cheers

Pete

Hi Paul

Yes BT ticks all the boxes of being a Racist, by being an overtly WHITE nationalist/supremist Terrorist, as set out in his manifesto.

He therefore slaughtered the people (Muslims) who WHITE nationalist/supremist Terrorists considered the main threat to "WHITE" Civilisation.

The fact that WHITES, from:

- the US (Christian)
- Russia (Eastern Orthodox Christian)
- Europe (Christian) and
- even Israelis (Jewish)

own MORE THAN 90 PERCENT OF THE WORLD'S NUCLEAR WEAPONS routinely escapes the notice of

WHITE nationalists/supremists, who preach the White Race is under threat.

Here's a website I don't fully endorse, as its rather leftwing, but may be worth discussion http://www.afsc.org/blogs/news-and-commentary/problem-labeling-violence-domestic-terrorism

Hi there PLANTAGENET...

Thank you for providing me with that info, Pete. I've been out of the loop for quite a time, but back in the day, the early 1980s, I had quite a bit to do with SAC PAV and PSCC as a police member, as our Division was charged with an armed assault response for all terrorist incidences in concert with our friends in the West, the SAS.

Nothing new about this of course. It's all down to a paucity of news. The red ragging media, as usual.

This ASIO clown was spluttering about "right wing terrorists" back in April. They turned out to be late teenage and early 20s kids fed up with politicians, and vocal, not violent. They would never have been heard of if it wasn't for the sensationalist media; and they were forgotten the next day.

tt

There's nothing wrong with ASIO's boss. He's been quite forthcoming and did have to work with Dutton (often not easy) before Dutton was shifted to Defence.

Lack of news is good news in security. ie lack of terrorist incidents in Aus for some months is good news.

Meaning ASIO in Canberra and state capitals and overseas (with foreign and domestic) agencies supporting ASIO are all doing their job.

Also lack of news due to necessary secrecy of ASIO monitoring White and Brown/Islamic terrorism.

Hoping Trump being booted from Presidency is helping take the wind out of the sails of White terrorism in US, Aus etc.

This is interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Australia

It appears that many of the incidents appear to be Islamic Based.

When considering Terrorism it is easy to forget the insurgency Intelligence/ Counter Intelligence aspect which could and often is state sponsored. Often Intelligence by it's nature never becomes public but can be very influential on the public. Remember the Cambridge Five.

During the 1980's there were apparently many foreign supported Communist Terrorist activities occurring in the UK.

Many of the Australian Extreme Communist Scene seems to have UK roots.

My feeling is that the Australian Intelligence community is politicalised and weak when it comes to actors with foreign support.

There are some interesting posts here on the intelligence framework within Australia.

I think that it's important to remember that terrorism entails some sort of organised violent action for some ideological cause- and democracy supposedly allows an outlet to act by the vote rather than by violence to achieve political outcomes.

I understand that sometimes police act to escalate conflicts to a violent conclusion to justify their actions and bring the incident to a close. Sometimes it's better for the police to back away to a safe distance- and allow the group to make their point as peacefully as possible. There has been a rise of counter protests supposedly to stop some voices being heard.

Canem

Yes most terrorist orgs in the official list are Islamist http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/default.aspx

But note the latest "Listed terrorist organisations" is the White Fair Right "Sonnenkrieg Division" http://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Listedterroristorganisations/Pages/sonnenkrieg-division.aspx

1. Re your claim about "Communist Terrorist activities occurring in the UK" grateful details with website links

2. Grateful any details, with website links, of Communist or Leftwing Terrorists in Australia

3. Grateful any details with website links, of "police act to escalate conflicts to a violent conclusion..."

Regards

This is interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism

Marxist–Leninist terrorism or revolutionary left-wing terrorism, is committed overthrowing capitalist systems.

left-wing terrorist groups that had operated in the 1970s and 1980s disappeared- mid-1990s. Greek Revolutionary Organization 17 November until 2002. -insurgent groups in the developing world.

influenced by various communist and socialist currents, including Marxism. Narodnaya Volya 19th-century terrorist group killed Tsar Alexander II of Russia in 1881 and concept of propaganda of the deed, is influence.

-while left-wing terrorism is ideologically motivated, nationalist-separatist terrorism is ethnically motivated... left-wing terrorism is non-negotiable whereas nationalist terrorists are willing to make concessions- may explain their lack of support relative to nationalist groups- revolutionary left have shown solidarity for national liberation groups employing terrorism, such as Irish nationalists, the Palestine Liberation Organization and the South American Tupamaros- global struggle against capitalism... separatist movements, including the Basque ETA, the Provisional Irish Republican Army and the Irish National Liberation Army, incorporated communist and socialist ideology into their policies.

David Brannan writes that left-wing terrorists and insurgents tend not to engage in indiscriminate attacks on the public as it not only runs contrary to the socialist ideals they espouse of being protectors of the working class, but they also do not want to alienate large swaths of the working population as such organizations and individuals seek to gain their support. Other researchers argue that left-wing terrorism may not be less indiscriminate than its right-wing counterpart.

Left-wing terrorism has its roots in the 19th and early 20th century anarchist terrorism and became pronounced during the Cold War. Modern left-wing terrorism developed in the context of the political unrest of 1968. -Europe the West German Red Army Faction, Italian Red Brigades, French Action Directe, Belgian Communist Combatant Cells. Asian groups- Japanese Red Army and (Tamil Tigers), although the latter organization later adopted nationalist terrorism. In Latin America, groups that became actively involved in terrorism in the 1970s and 1980s included the Nicaraguan Sandinistas, the Peruvian Shining Path and the Colombian 19th of April Movement.

A 2014 paper by Kis-Katos et al. concluded that left-wing terrorism was the most prevalent terrorism in the past..

-terrorist groups in the United States developed from Weather Underground and Students for a Democratic Society. Between 1973 and 1975, the Symbionese Liberation Army was active, committing bank robberies, murders, and other acts of violence. Other terrorist groups such as the small New World Liberation Front resorted to death threats, drive-by shootings and planting of pipe-bombs in the late 1970s. During the 1980s, both the May 19th Communist Organization and United Freedom Front. Incidents of left-wing terrorism dropped off at the end of the Cold War (circa 1989), partly due to the loss of support for communism.

http://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/militant-extremists-united-states

FBI states leftist extremist groups "generally profess a revolutionary socialist doctrine and view themselves as protectors of the people against the "dehumanizing effects" of capitalism and imperialism." From 1960 to the mid-1980s, most acts of extremist violence were committed by leftist factions like the Weather Underground. A wellspring of disaffected, radical youth with ideological roots in the civil rights, women’s liberation, and anti-war movements provided these groups with much of their militant fervor. -marked decline since the fall of the Soviet Union- FBI infiltration campaign in the mid-1980s.

http://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/left-wing-terror-radicalized-activists-or-government-pawns/

https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/secret-societies-rise-of-the-communist-international/

https://www.thegreatcoursesdaily.com/marxism-after-marx-in-europe-and-america/

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/homeland-security/249688-the-1970s-and-the-birth-of-contemporary-terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Palestine
secular Palestinian Marxist–Leninist and revolutionary socialist organization founded in 1967

From its foundation the PFLP sought both superpower and regional patrons, early on developing ties with the People's Republic of China, the Soviet Union, North Korea[19] and, at various times, with regional powers such as Syria, South Yemen, Libya and Iraq, as well as with left-wing groups around the world, including the PKK, FARC and the Japanese Red Army. When that support diminished or stopped, in the late 1980s and 1990s, the PFLP sought new allies and developed contacts with Islamist groups linked to Iran, despite the PFLP's strong adherence to secularism and anti-clericalism. The relationship between the PFLP and the Islamic Republic of Iran has fluctuated – it strengthened as a result of Hamas moving away from Iran due to differing positions on the Syrian Civil War. Iran rewarded the PFLP for its pro-Assad stance with an increase in financial and military assistance.[20] The PFLP has been accused by Israel of diverting European humanitarian aid from Palestinian NGOs to itself.[21]

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-threat-of-eco-terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_Philippines

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_rebellion_in_the_Philippines

National Democratic Front established 1973 as the political front of the CPP revolutionary organizations and building international relations with foreign communist parties such as the Communist Party of India (Maoist) and Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist).

https://ammo.com/articles/days-of-rage-left-wing-bombings-terrorism-america-1970s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_of_October_Anti-Fascist_Resistance_Groups

The 'Four Corners' program should be interesting this week, as it explores the links between SCOTT MORRISON and the far right radicals of 'QAnon'. Do we have a wolf in sheep's clothing as a Prime Minister?

<<"In 2019, Guardian Australia revealed that a significant Australian proponent of the QAnon conspiracy, Tim Stewart, was a family friend of Morrison and that his wife was on the prime minister’s staff.

The QAnon conspiracy purports that powerful forces are hiding and protecting satanic paedophile rings and that a secretive individual named Q leaves clues for his followers to decipher on internet forums.

Last year, Stewart’s QAnon Twitter account, BurnedSpy34, was permanently suspended for “engaging in coordinated harmful activity”.

Stewart said in 2019 he had not attempted to influence Morrison or had conversations with him about any QAnon content.

“I have never spoken to Scott about anything of a political nature. I’m not an adviser. The idea of me talking to him about this ... it’s just not true,” he said at the time.>>

There have been attempts over the past four weeks by those in high places to have the ABC pull the program.

It seems that there are perhaps some elements of QAnon coming through the "me too" movement and Epstein and Weinstein.

Thanks Canem

For your historical survey of leftwing terrorism, overseas.

Interested in leftwing terrorism, right now, as it relates to Australia.

Cheers