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Are zoos good for the animals?

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In zoos animals are often prevented from doing most of the things that are natural and important to them, like running, roaming, flying, climbing, foraging and being with others of their own kind. Freedom is limited and wild animals can suffer physically and mentally from the lack of freedom that captivity imposes.

On the other hand, others argue zoos provide options for conservation of endangered species worldwide, are a place for animals to be away from those who target them in the wild, provide a place to rescue injured animals and provide a space for humans to learn more about animals increasing their respect and knowledge about wildlife.

Some though simply see zoos as places simply there to make money. So are zoos good for the animals? Yes or no and if so why?
Posted by NathanJ, Friday, 23 April 2021 8:52:42 PM
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If I were a prey species I would much rather live in a zoo than the wild. It is not much different for prey animals.

I saw some statistics recently for the life expectancy of animals in the wild, & in zoos. A fox for example in the wild has a life expectancy of just over 18 months. Domesticated it is more like 10 years.

I went looking for such information when we befriended a very young fox. It was not much more than a puppy when it started coming around looking for any dry dog food the sons cat had spilt. Here it was competing with our magpie family. It was very poor & bedraggled, & with no one keeping poultry in the area he welcomed it.

She became quite tame & visited regularly. She often had bad injuries, probably fighting to hold her territory. She did manage one litter before she disappeared, probably lost one last fight. We reckoned she was just over 18 months old.

I also knew Sir Edward Hallstrom, when he was Founder, patron & director of the Taronga Park Zoo. He had a refrigerator manufacturing business at the time, & I was supplying them ABS plastics for door liners.

He was often not there when I went to see him, & his son used to mildly complain about how much time, & his own money he spent on zoo, when he was needed at the factory. Rather than make money from Taronga, I believe he would have been much wealthier if he had never started the place, or put so much effort time & money into developing it, or simply keeping it going.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 24 April 2021 12:47:47 PM
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The first zoo was opened 193 years ago for scientific purposes. Since then, zoos have provided knowledge and pleasure for millions of people, as well as saving many many species from extinction. The value of zoos is a no-brainer. Good for animals and human learning and appreciation.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 24 April 2021 6:48:28 PM
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I think that its more important and beneficial that we have zoos than if we did not have zoos

I just watched a short YouTube video on animal hybrids.

The Most frightening Hybrids, the existence of which is hard to Believe
http://youtu.be/8-g0SvZc1LA

You know why we have Covid?
Scientists trying hybridise plants and animals, and yes VIRUSES.

What do you think happens when some scientific nutcracker takes some sick animal then takes that virus and shoots it up into humans bypassing their immune system?

Why do we have increased cancer rates, autism rates.
Where did it all start?

I say its from all the scientists messing around after they invented the syringe.
I wonder if they're doing more harm than good sometimes.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 25 April 2021 12:04:33 AM
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I agree with ttbn, did I say that, yes I did, its a no-brainer, zoos are not just good for human learning and appreciation, there is also the valuable work zoos and most private animal parks do for conservation. Living in Brisbane I miss not having a city zoo, Taronga Park Zoo was the best value day out you could get in Sydney. I must make a trip up to the Steve Irwin Australia Zoo on the Sunshine Coast

Hassy Sir Edward Hallstrom the manufacturer of 'Silent Knight' refrigerators, gave the wonders of refrigeration to country folk in places where electricity was not available, they were kerosene powered of all things. We had one such fridge in my early years growing up on the grandparents property out west near Wellington. Not large capacity by today's standards but very practical for their day. see I'm actually a bushy.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 25 April 2021 5:42:04 AM
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Hi Nathan,

Are zoos good for the animals?

There are good zoos and bad zoos.

Not all zoos are equal, not all are clean and well staffed.
Not all zoos have the resources to properly care for the
animals they house. In those cases there's no justification
in keeping animals captive because their captivity can be
horrific for both their physical and psychological health.

Zooz or Zoological Parks are supposed to educate the
public about wild life and what we can do to protect them.
Good zoos contribute to scientific research after all
zoology is the study of animal biology and behaviour.

So in answer to your question - as zoos good for the
animals? Good zoos can be. And they can contribute a
great deal both in education, scientific research
and the saving of lives. Bad zoos - no. No justification
for keeping animals locked up and suffering.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 25 April 2021 8:09:39 AM
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If the Chinese get their way they will turn all the zoos into Cinese Take-Aways.

Anyone for a yum cha? Zebra dim sims, Polar Bear spring rolls, Mango Platypus pancakes, and the list goes on.

It'll be even more popular than the Wuhan Bat Soup Kitchen.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 25 April 2021 8:11:41 AM
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Yes please Mr O, but could you hold off on the Zebra, I've given it up since hearing its high in cholesterol. BTW you don't do a hippopotamus burger by any chance, I went to my favourite Scottish restaurant and unfortunately they are still using reconstituted tractor tyres as a meat substitute, I hear you say, but yes tractor tyres are high in protean, I know that but its hard on my false teeth!

BTW, during WWII Muscovites ate the animals in the city zoo, were they members of the Shooters and Hooters Party of Australia? Just on the Shooter and Hooters, party leader and cofounder Fat Bob Ballsup, dear friend and fellow shooter with Forumite Issy Is Mise, admitted to not just shooting elephants in Africa, but eating them as well. Fat Bob has been watching his weight lately, and now limits himself to the consumption of no more than one elephant at a sitting, two when he's really hungry.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 25 April 2021 8:36:34 AM
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Beef, goat, pork of chicken is cheaper.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 25 April 2021 12:45:44 PM
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Hassy,

What is pork of chicken, hog crossed with a chook, a hoggychook!

I found one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gpu4P2iIhk&ab_channel=honusdogus
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 25 April 2021 5:15:18 PM
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Paul1405,

I think Hasbeen is out with the chicken feeders: "Here chook chook chook. Here chook chook chook."
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 25 April 2021 7:21:18 PM
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Mr Opinion,
Is that you egging-on the hog ?
Posted by individual, Sunday, 25 April 2021 7:46:19 PM
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individual,

No, that's me describing someone being a wankR.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Monday, 26 April 2021 7:04:50 AM
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"Here chook chook chook"
- No that's probably you in the mirror Mr O, doing your chicken dance
What's Hasbeen done to deserve this 'w*R' status?
- It seems a bit harsh, I can't see anything on this thread...

As for Chinese, I'd just like to say the price of Pack A has just shot through the roof recently.
Well over $40 for the chicken and vegetable, the beef and oyster sauce and the fried rice.
They still give you the 4 spring rolls but they've pulled the free prawn chips and charge you to switch from the Mongolian beef.
They used to let you swap one for free - but NO MORE.
Who wants 'Mongolian Beef' anyway, it's a bit spicy?
I mean it's not that bad, but I'd probably even go Beef and Black Bean over the Mongolian Beef.

And 'Mongolian' well that's not politically correct in modern times is it?
- Do the Mongolians get a kickback? Do they even have a say? But I digress
$40+ but it tastes so good.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 26 April 2021 10:02:21 PM
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Hi AC

So the Chinese have imposed a trade sanction on you, no more swapping out 'Mongolian Beef' for a tasty 'Honey Chicken', pulled the plug on the prawn chips as well, disgraceful in my book, plus you have to pay an extra tariff to get the family pack. Shameful ScumO' should send his glove puppet Simon B over to Peking an give em' a real dressing down, that's if they'll answer the door to poor Simon.

p/s Where I am, the Golden Dragon Family Pack 'A', our choice, cooked personally by Mr Xi; 4 spring rolls, Sweet and Sour Pork, Chicken and Cashew, Large Fried Rice, Prawn Chips $43, it was $42 but since ScumO' got all nasty they bunged on an extra dollar! Got a place that does big Seafood Laksa includes 6 king prawns etc extra fresh hot chilli the wife wants, $14, big bowl. Wife adds extra hot chilli sauce as well, burn your you know what out! Wife gone all Korean on me lately likes those hot n' spice Udon soups they make. According to the wife, not counting Maori, Chinese are the best folks in the world. Did the D and A and yep, she's got ancestry from around Taiwan way, that accounts for her liking hot Asian soups, Buddhism, and Herbal Medicine.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 5:39:15 AM
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Anyone watch the SBS "Wet Market' Special last night ? Talk about an eye-opener !
That African Journalist deserves a medal.
Posted by individual, Monday, 3 May 2021 6:00:50 AM
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