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Deporting children because they have a disability is 'heartless'
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Posted by NathanJ, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 12:11:15 PM
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Keep the disabled kids & deport the useless tattooed, drug addicted home-grown slobs !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 12:43:29 PM
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Yes it's heartless. But at least there's a logically sound reason behind it, unlike certain other parts of our immigration system (such as the extreme discrimination against those who come here by boat after our bureaucracy has, through no fault of their own, prevented them from coming here by other means).
It's reasonable to want our immigration system to be profitable, but severely disabled children cost a lot to look after. So although I think the status quo is too restrictive, I haven't been able to identify a better solution yet. Posted by Aidan, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 1:43:58 PM
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The parents are not citizens, and being born here does not make the child a citizen. It beats me why some people get dewy-eyed and sanctimonious about aliens after the way all Australian governments have treated their own citizens during the China virus. It appears that the father came here as a student, got the missus out, had the child, and wanted to stay.
A very familiar back door immigration rort. There will be much wailing and whining from the usual suspects, and the nonsense will go on for years. The High Court will eventually be involved, and they will be sent to Christmas Island where the last couple to have children here after they were told it wouldn't help their cause are languishing until they get the message and go home. What a shocking waste of Australian time and resources. How dare these people come here and presume to be exempt from Australian law. Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 2:04:08 PM
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NathanJ it will be time to poor your sympathy over foreign blow ins, when we have enough money in our health system to look after our own.
I have a neighbor who needed a knee replacement 7 years ago. It took 3 years from the time he was refereed for him to actually see a specialist. Keeps the waiting list shorter if you haven't had a consultation yet. They mucked him around for another 3 years, before actually scheduling an operation. After the final consultation with the anesthetists & surgeon, they canceled him with some bulldust. He can now just manage 30 meters with a walker, to the front gate to check his mail, but needs a rest before coming back. He has tried & found my new mobility scooter would be great, but he has no where to keep one. Even if he can afford it, at the lower price I managed to get mine for, he would need a car port or garden shed near his door to keep it in. While we have large numbers of cases like him, it is not time to start splashing tax payers cash around for the next 60 or 70 years, just to make you feel good. Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 4:26:19 PM
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Hi Nathan,
I agree deporting a family because a child has a disability is a heartless act. Compassion is one of the measures of a nations self worth. In the grand scheme of things the instance of what has transpired with this family is rare , Kayaan through no fault of his was born with cerebral palsy, he is now 6 years old and in need of our help. Hassy, if we show compassion for this family, or we do not, it doesn't relate to the outcome for your neighbour. I was appalled by the treatment of the Biloela family Tamil refugees imprisoned on Christmas Island by a heartless government trying to make a political point. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/16/biloela-tamil-family-to-remain-on-christmas-island-after-federal-court-upholds-ruling-on-daughters-visa Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 6:18:38 AM
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Are we assuming the country of their citizenship to who we are deporting is going to threaten their well being. They are not Australian citizens so what is the problem. they must be here on some temporary visa. We do not have open borders for everyone to raid our welfare, it might be a greens policy, but we care for family first, and make sure those of other families receive adequate care in their home.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 7:17:22 AM
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Come on Paul.
Unlike greens, most of us realise there is no money tree. To get money to pay welfare on some gate crashing blow ins, it has to be taken from somewhere else. Yes it may not be gate crashers that stopped this bloke getting the medical treatment, it could be the dreadful waste of the NDIS, Gonski, or some useless NGO. Where ever it was, the bloke, like so many others, did not get the medical treatment he deserved. Until we can look after our own, we should not waste another cent on gate crashers. Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 7:32:38 AM
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The opportunistic exploitation of our generous welfare system is just as heartless !
Why don't people do in their countries what we do here, work together for the common good ! Posted by individual, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 7:33:19 AM
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Come on Hassy,
Maybe you can enlighten us as to the cost of YOUR forum proposal some time back to NUK 200 million innocent men, women and children in PAKIISTAN on the pretext of "Get em' before they get us!" I don't know why he chose Pakistan for such an outburst. Maybe you can supply more info on your idea that the Australian Navy should, what was it, open fire with 50mm rounds across the bow of unarmed refugee boats, again with unarmed men, women and children on board. When these things you have said in the past are brought up, you remain shamefully silent, never denying, never commenting. They painfully show what end of the spectrum YOU come from. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 3:14:53 PM
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Aidan,
<<But at least there's a logically sound reason behind it>> What sound reason is that? <<It's reasonable to want our immigration system to be profitable>> No. This sees policy in this area driven by the dollar sign. So whilst one may want reasonable policies regarding immigration, it doesn't mean the primary focus needs to be financial. <<severely disabled children cost a lot to look after.>> Yes. This applies to the costs of looking after everyone. Why discriminate? <<So although I think the status quo is too restrictive, I haven't been able to identify a better solution yet.>> Well that's what discussion is for. To try and find better outcomes to avoid or limit a want from some to deport people with disabilities from Australia. I'm sure better outcomes can be found. Posted by NathanJ, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 4:52:59 PM
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severely disabled children cost a lot to look after
Aidan, Unproductive bureaucrats & Academics & drug addicts etc etc cost a helluva lot more ! At least the disabled don't cause damage to property & accept offensively high salaries ! Posted by individual, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 5:24:12 PM
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You wouldn't complain if they were being deported to a better country would you?
They reason they're here is because this is the better country. And they want Aussies to pay for their needs. Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 25 March 2021 7:22:16 PM
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Hi Indy,
What about all those severely disabled old folks which cost the taxpayer a lot to look after for the rest of their lives with the payment of the extremely generous Aged Welfare? Once we get that Senior National Service up and running it will be win win all round, taxpayers will save money, billions, old folks will get much needed exercise, and there will be a lot less pot holes in our roads. Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 25 March 2021 9:35:14 PM
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"What about all those severely disabled old folks which cost the taxpayer a lot to look after for the rest of their lives with the payment of the extremely generous Aged Welfare?"
They already earned it. Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 26 March 2021 12:35:44 AM
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A child with CP will cost taxpayers $ms over its life and drain resources that could be used to treat existing Aussies.
The parents are not citizens or residents as presently are not entitled to Medicare or disability benefits. There are many applicants for PR that are rejected because they have children that are disabled, should we let them all in? Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 7:15:50 AM
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Of course this is cruel, very cruel and unjust.
No problem if the state does not wish to pay the costs involved - in that case it simply doesn't need to make this family/child entitled to Medicare/NDIS. Let the parents decide for themselves whether to meet the expenses in Australia or back where they came from, or let charities help them with the expenses - why the state? I see so much good will around here! Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 2:26:34 PM
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Yuyutsu,
Thank you for your comments. I don't understand why a Government would want to deport people based on having a disability, when there are others that can assist in Australia and elsewhere in a digital age. I feel those who want to assist should be able to so without interference from the Government. A lot of people will come out and assist in circumstances like these and a Government should simply let the situation take its course. Posted by NathanJ, Tuesday, 30 March 2021 4:49:14 PM
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Nathan,
They are not deporting them, they are on temporary work permits. When their permit expires they have agreed to return home. Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 2:36:54 AM
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This applies to the Katyal family and their son, Kayaan.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-22/australian-government-deporting-children-because-of-disability/100018362
Why a Government would want to deport children and send them elsewhere as they have a disability, plus see them as a cost burden is something I find difficult to live with as it is simply 'heartless'.
I struggle to understand why Australia has a Prime Minister who seems to lack compassion here, yet claims to be Christian. This type of approach is not something I would see most Christians supporting.
Australia should be here to support people, all people, including those with disabilities. They are not just a disposable asset. They have a heart, soul and personal feelings... just like everyone else!