ok ttbn, let's put you in charge and you've got to make the calls.

So here's the situation: QLD has had one case a while ago (just a few weeks), which they've tried to deal with by individual personal isolation and contact tracing. However, despite their efforts the virus has escaped and is now out in the general community but still at extremely low numbers. But unfortunately from the contact tracing they've done of these new cases (the new cases of just the last couple of days) they have realised that the people involved have been all over Brisbane, one has even been to Gladstone over 1000's km away and one has been interstate to NSW.

So what are you going to do? We're all ears and waiting for you.

(By-the-way: criticising after an event is extremely easy to do, as you personally should know since you're an expert at it. What is a lot harder to do is to recognise potential problems before they happen and if things do go wrong unexpectedly to come up with a strategy to deal with it.)

Slight correction to above post.

Gladstone is about 600km away from Brisbane.

I was thinking of Cairns when I was typing above because I was just having a verbal conversation with someone. I was saying to them that I can't understand why we have these Quarantine sites in major cities. And I was questioning why couldn't they use somewhere like Cairns instead. Carins has has in International airport, plenty of empty accommodation and a hospital just near the airport and city is small and remote (although it does have a bit of domestic tourism).
They could literally cordoned off the areas of the city where they quarantine is since the town is so small and make it so that those involved with the quarantine have to live in designated areas for say eight weeks stints at a time.

Oh god, what a pile of waffle. All we have to do is stop all international arrivals, & I mean all, & not let anyone into the country until the thing is under control in All sources of foreign travel.

That's right, no sob stories, no mercy imports from PMG or anywhere else. Closed international borders. The local hotel quarantine system is too prone to failure, so close all it down now, until we have a simple treatment that cures the virus, & the source of travelers is clean.

Hasbeen,

Hear, hear. Well said. Australians have done well looking after themselves and not passing it on. Everyone time we hear a newsreader whining about 'another case in Whoopwoop', we know it's courtesy of idiot politicians and their 'experts' letting someone in from abroad. And we are still being told what a 'good' job these useless prices are doing.

SR wrote:"The Scandinavian experience shows the power of lockdowns..."

At the beginning of the thread I posted all sorts of data. Data that showed how, in the USA, now that the figures for the whole of 2020 were compiled, that those states that didn't lockdown or locked down for a short period, not only didn't see higher death rates but instead showed, on average lower rates than those who went full lockdown. Indeed the USA results showed that those who locked down the hardest were also those that had the worst result.

SR ignored that.

I also showed data from Europe which showed that nations that went hard on lockdowns did no better and often much worse than those that either didn't lock down or had a light hand. This was data covering the whole of Europe plus a few other places for comparison and covered the whole year. This was quite compelling information.

SR ignored that.

I also offered quotes from WHO saying they " do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus."

SR ignored that.

I also offered data on Sweden, the poster child of anti-lockdown nations, showing that its death rate in 2020 was lower per capita than the average for the last 10 years.

This SR ignored...sort of. Instead he went off and got data that ignored the fact that Sweden's population had increased by ~8% in the period and then tried to draw erroneous conclusions from that while doing all possible to pretend his figures were valid.

Then after ignoring all the compelling data, after ignoring the advice of the WHO and after bungling the Swedish data (the least compelling of the lot), he pronounces that he's proven lockdowns work. A logic failure all the way down.

mhaze,

Why on earth do you continue to argue with this nutter?