Today there are many residents living in and around dams and rivers across NSW who are fearful that those rivers will burst their banks and those dams will reach capacity and start overflowing.

But they can rest assured because our climate ‘experts’ have long ago determined that “even the rain that falls isn’t going to fill our dams and river systems”….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM_C_-2MGWU

And they occasionally reaffirm that expert knowledge….
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/16/unsw-academic-repeats-tired-dams-will-never-fill-climate-change-myth/

So you can rest assured that the experts have looked at this and determined that the dams and rivers won’t flood. That water in your lounge room is a figment of your ignorant imagination.

In other climate news, claims that hurricanes that reach land are becoming stronger have been debunked following a study of information over the past 120 years. While most people were reassured to hear the results, alarmists were rather upset.

Additionally data reported and compiled by the inestimable Bjorn Lomborg has shown that deaths from climate related events (floods, droughts, storms, wildfires, and extreme temps) have fallen by 96% over the past century despite population quadrupling. Lomborg also pointed out that the IPCC says “There continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale over the instrumental record”…. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040162520304157

The overall lesson? Climate studies are in their infancy and what the ‘experts’ say with their normal level of certainty is to be taken with significant doses of salt.

mhaze,

Not sure that you can persuade those people who feel
in danger of flooding, that the experts are wrong.
I guess just as anything - better to be prepared,
and be safe, than sorry.

The REAL overall lesson from this is that AGW deniers are vicious liars, trying to discredit experts by taking 5 second soundbites out of context!

Look at it in context:
From http://www.abc.net.au/local/archives/landline/content/2006/s1844398.htm
_____________________________________________________________________________

SALLY SARA: What will it mean for Australian farmers if the predictions of climate change are correct and little is done to stop it? What will that mean for a farmer?

PROFESSOR TIM FLANNERY: We're already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we're getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that's translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That's because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.

_____________________________________________________________________________

Do you get it yet? It's from an interview that appears to have been recorded in late 2006 and broadcast in early 2007, towards the end of a long drought. He never claimed the dams would never fill again (although you may manage to find a soundbite saying otherwise, as he did say something like IF THE [then] CURRENT PREDICTIONS ARE CORRECT THEN the dams will never fill again EXCEPT FOR IN RARE EVENTS).

It's time to start listening to the experts themselves rather than the liars who misrepresent their claims.

Hi Aidan,

Thank You for the extra information. Of course experts don't
always get everything right - but listening to people who
are experts in their various fields is all we've got to go by.
Especially when their opinions are evidence based. Still I guess
people will question what they're told. It's always been thus.

The self-regard and arrogance of the climate hysterics will never permit them to admit that nothing they have predicted has actually happened. They have caused energy prices to sky rocket; they have wrecked the industrial capabilities of Western countries, while China forges ahead, ignoring the lies silly Western politicians have fallen for. These liars are getting richer, while the masses get poorer. In Australia, both parties are in thrall to the 'zero emissions by 2050' mantra. The judiciary declares that Extinction Rebellion has the 'right' to vandalise private property and disrupt the rights of the majority to go about their lawful business.

People who have caused such damage to society would never have the integrity or courage to admit their stupidity. Future generations, struggling with windmill and solar power in an attempt to survive will regard these people with contempt and hatred.

Negative people will always find problems in every
solution as history has shown.

Whatever the experts advise there will be those who will
always have something negative to say about what they say
instead of looking at the opportunities and challenges -
that's life and it's always been that way for some.

Heat is driving all the rain, storms and floods that we are currently experiencing and a lot of this heat has been produced by the greenhouse gas effect caused by the burning of fossil fuels over the past two centuries.

I think we are experiencing monsoon like conditions being created by the current La Nina event. We think of monsoons as being confined to landmasses around the northern indian Ocean but the climate is now changing so rapidly that monsoonal weather reaching as far south as Sydney might become the new norm.

Unfortunately we have missed the opportunity to address the impact of large-scale greenhouse gas emissions and now the PROBLEM IS JUST TOO BIG TO FIX.

Solution: Move to higher altitudes where it is cool during the heatwaves and above areas affected by storms and flooding.

On the matter of the Coalition moving steadily to the left, not just on the climate scam, an Electoral Commission analysis shows that the Coalition has lost 2 million primary votes since 2013. Where have those votes gone? It beggars belief that people abandoning the Coalition because it has let them down by being Labor-lite would vote Labor; and the One Nation vote hasn’t risen. Perhaps they turn up to avoid draconian fines, but don’t actually vote.

It would be interesting to have compulsory voting suspended for the next election to see what Australians really think of their political class.

Foxy please!

When the so called experts have been proven wrong in ever forecast/prediction they have made in the last 25+ years it is time to call them out.

They are obviously grandstanding idiots, happy to spout any bit of garbage that will get their name in print, or their face on TV. Aidans own quote proves the idiot Flannery made the statement that the rain would not fill dams. What could be plainer.

What is now needed is a class action against Flannery for damages by all who built on possible flood plains since his grand bit of pontification, to send the monster broke, & stop others of his ilk from lying to the public.

Enough is enough, & it is time all fellow travelers get off the garbage.

So much for the permanent drought Flannery was waffling on about!

Those of you who believe everything you are told, should not be allowed to interact with those who question everything.
So many have given proof of this GW or CC thing as being a scam, yet you still foolishly believe that humans can affect something the size of the Earth.
FOOLS, one and all.
If you choose to believe snake oil salesmen and con-men, that 97% of the world's scientists, did anything at all, you are all warped and twisted souls with little or no substance let alone intellect or the ability to reason.
OK for all you vague and dream stricken, irrelevant people out there, (mostly the greens), have a go at re-acquainting yourselves with your very own songs, such as "We Are Australian", and so many more and when you finish, just say nothing, never again about climate or weather or anything remotely related, because the one thing that stands out and has done for as long as we have been on this land, is the fact that we have and always have had, some of the shittiest weather in the world.
GW and CC have got nothing to do with our climate, because we have been enduring droughts and floods for as long as time itself, and history confirms this, and that's why wandering dozy minstrels have written so many songs about it, and NOT the weather bureau.
If all this GW CC crap is such a threat, then why is it that one of the greatest con-men, climate alarmists has made millions off it and not long ago bought a multi million dollar house, with ocean frontage, that's direct access to the ocean, for those of you linguistically impaired.
He is the one and only, number one climate alarmist.
Oh and BTW, there is NOWHERE, NOTHING even remotely confirming that (&% of scientists did anything at all, let alone sign off on this imaginary document about consensus.
All BS and lie's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRXZ1B5foE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

Just something to confirm my proposition.
I have more, if anyone still needs more convincing that this is a fabrication, a LIE!

On the subject of flooding. According to a hydrologist
and a flow and hazard forecaster who has spent his life
doing just that:

"Despite the work of some of the brightest scientists, the
world's most advanced super computers and the commitment
of hard working people on the ground, floods are just
difficult beasts to pin down. And if you've ever thought
that your home could never be affected, you should know that
floods can happen almost anywhere, at any time."

That's his opinion based on his experience.
Respect it or not.

Foxy,

Not really.

Floods are typically associated with rain so if it is raining then there could be a chance of a flood depending on the extent of rain.

In some areas of the world people always expect flooding when the rains come eg monsoon affected regions.

The problem we have with these rains and floods along the eastern seaboard is that it might mean that monsoon type weather is coming as far south as Sydney due to the current La Nina event and this could become a frequent phenomenon.

My advice, accept the existence of AGW and move house to a higher altitude to get away from the heat of the El Nino and the wet of the La Nina.

Hi Mr O,

Sounds like a plan.

mhaze.

Now those are very relevant comments you make, and they go way beyond cynicism landing in court of truth.

My observations of the mess which was Ipswich in 2012 (about), makes me a follower of your logic.

The only dust around at that time, was the politicians screeching away into the distance, leaving those poor people helpless and alone.

That’s the same politicians now bowing to the new rainbow alter of many gods, including the Demigod of climate change.

Good one.

Dan

Apparently, climate change is responsible for:

Droughts,
Floods,
Fires,
Sharks,
Islands sinking,
Islands growing,
The flu,
Covid,
Trump,
Racism
Islamaphobia,
etc,

Aidan whines: "AGW deniers are vicious liars"

Well the alarmist fraternity does get rather prissy when its pointed out that their gurus and shamans have feet of clay.

" He never claimed the dams would never fill again"

That's true. Equally he never said they would fill again. His statements were ambiguous, capable of being interpreted either way. And for years after those statements, others, both friend and foe, interpreted it to mean that he thought the dams and rivers would never fill. And nowhere, at no time, in those years, did Flannery step in to set the record straight. You won't find anywhere in the immediately following years of Flannery saying "no no that's not what I meant". He let the statement stand and only after it became utterly untenable did he then start putting out his defence. Of course the usual flying monkeys then leapt to their shaman's defence.

Even in the years when state governments around the country were spending (wasting really) billions on useless desal plants based partly on these false claims that the dams weren't gunna fill, even then Flannery was nowhere to be found trying to set the record straight.

But this is par for the course. The point of these assertions is not to tell the truth but to " offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have" (Paul Ehrlich). And the useful idiots fall for it every time.

Several times here, Flannery has been referred to as an 'expert'. But he's not. He has no climate credentials.

Like Gore and Kerry and Greta and myriad others, he is just a press personality who made his fortune by telling the alarmist community what they want to hear irrespective of the facts.

mhaze, hear, hear!
Good to hear another voice of reason, truth and common sense.

mhaze & ALTRAV,

If Flannery and others are wrong about AGW then you have nothing to worry about.

I acknowledge AGW and I am one of those who believe THE PROBLEM IS NOW TOO BIG TO FIX.

I suppose in the long run it will be the Australian voter who decides whether or not AGW is real. When the bushfires and the floods become too much to handle people will get rid of the LNP know-all-know-nothings and put people into power who understand the problems.

All this arguing may well turn out to be a mirage as there is an
another factor in that we are presently at the peak of a temperature
cycle caused by the sun. This is the the same cycle as Roman Warming,
Medieval Warm period, Maunder Minimum and the present Modern Warm
period all separated by 600 to 1000 years.
We will know pretty much for certain in 100 years as we will be well
into the decline to the next cold period.
This will occur whether the CO2 global warming is true or not.
Whether it would overcome the current effect of CO2 I do not know
but who wants to argue with the sun ?

PS the cycle is not the Ice Age cycle which is many thousands of years long.

I really think that Professor Tim Flummery should be shewn more respect.

Is Mise,

If one reads Flannery they will find it difficult to argue with his conclusions.

I hope all this rain and floods don't affect Soot's Half Price Holiday Deals.

I was looking to spend a week in sunny Port Macquarie this week.

Hmmmm . . . . . . . I wonder if Soot gives refunds.

Dear mhaze,

What on earth is this? "Equally he never said they would fill again."

He never said the world was flat either so he may well be a flat earther. Bollocks.

Flannery made repeated attempt to correct the narrative about 'never filling again' which was put out by people like Bolt and lapped up by useful idiots like yourself.

As to Sydney it was only last year that the NSW Water Minister has said "“We have never seen dam levels drop this fast in Sydney, so we need to move as fast to shore up our supply.” Levels were at 43% and being shored up by the desal plant.
http://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/sydney-desal-plant-to-expand-to-provide-more-drinking-water-20200108-p53pv1.html

Now we have received some rain all you lot are dancing around naked in it shouting "See I told you so, water shortages cause by GW are a myth".

What tossers.

SteeleRedux,

They fail to recognise that these La Nina 100-year rains and floods have their origin in the global warming problem just as much as the El Nino droughts and heatwaves do.

It's not one weather type offsetting the other weather type. Both are becoming more frequent and more intense as the greenhouse gas effect starts to bite and becomes more protracted. Just like the scientific community has been warning over the past 60 years.

Problem is that the really dumb people just cannot see what is happening making life miserable for those who can.

Steele,

"What tossers."

Is that in the European or the Australian idiom?

SR wrote with, sadly, all the eloquence at his command..."He never said the world was flat either so he may well be a flat earther."

Well since he hasn't discussed that issue, we'll never know. But he did discuss dams and rivers and left the issue completely ambiguous. Deliberately so.

Only when it became clear that he was wrong did he start to clarify or more exactly make up excuses.

"Flannery made repeated attempt to correct the narrative..."

Good, show us some. But not after the rains filled the dams, but in the early days of 2007. Because that was the time when he let it remain on record that the dams wouldn't fill and let the-sky-is-falling crowd scare governments into wasting billions on desal.
So rather than just shooting your mouth off SR, show us where Timmy tried to correct the record in 2007.

SR pornographically wrote: "you lot are dancing around naked in it"

Have you been peeking again?

SR wrote:"See I told you so, water shortages cause by GW are a myth".

I guess you missed the quote in my first post where the IPCC also said there was no evidence of a change in the trend of floods over the past century. But yeah, I agree... they are tossers.

Way back in the days of Governor Macquarrie his surveyors when laying pot the boundaries of future farms along the Nepean River asked the local tribes where the water rose to when there were floods; based on this advice they defined planting, grazing and building areas.

Later and wiser minds allowed buildings on the flood-prone areas, after all, what would the Aboriginals know?

SR, so to be clear, are you saying that GW is causing water shortages, or are you saying that GW is NOT causing water shortages, AND has nothing to do with weather patterns or for that matter, even CC, if it is to be believed as a thing at all?
Because there seems to be a belief that ANY form of extreme weather activity is the direct result of GW or CC, which I, and a growing number of people, world wide, absolutely reject!

Mr O, "The scientific community.....".
Which scientific community is that?
Is that the same ones that reside in this mythical wonderland that only Paul and Foxy live in, or are they out here amongst us in the real world?
I can tell you, as a matter of fact, that 97% of scientists, did NOT in fact agree to the GW, CC mantra.
That was a farcical story which began back in the 20th century and embellished and massaged into what it is today by such liars and con-men as Obummer and of course, king Con himself; Mr Al Gore!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRXZ1B5foE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

Just to submit two of many more, although I doubt any of you alarmist children will accept that this whole GW thing is just another con by a particular filthy scum-bag group with no conscience, morals, or ethics, just greed and averace and complete disregard for their fellow human beings who they regard as irrelevant and prime targets to be physically, financially and emotionally abused.

ALTRAV,

To be frank, I don't think you would be able to tell a scientist from your Saturday night magician at the local Seniors Community get-together.

I'm sure you mean well old timer but when it comes to discussing science I would advise you take a seat and just listen to what the experts have to say.

ALTRAV,

If you ever tire of watching the magician at the local Senior's why not hop onto this:

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7178264/staffers-who-shared-explicit-images-in-parliament-house-should-prepare-to-pack-their-bags-birmingham/

Those Libs & Nats have all the fun. Canberra or Bust!

I wonder what Jen would say about this.

Mr O, when I decide to discuss science will be the day I accept PC as my first language.
To correct your mis-guided and jaded mind-set, I have no interest nor have I ever conveyed or purported any indication of my being interested in or having any scientific knowledge what-so-ever.
No, you see I nor anyone else has to be an expert at anything.
You only have to have an inquisitive mind or demeanor and have TRUTH as your basic foundation for life and what you believe in.
So, as there is always many sides to EVERY story, but only ONE is the truth, I am pre-disposed to seek out that ONE truth at the behest of all the other lies and propositions being attempted to be promoted as the TRUTH.
Remember, there can only ever be ONE TRUTH!
BTW, I ask again; Which EXPERTS are they?
Did you bother to watch the video's I provided?
No, I didn't think so.
Until you do, please do us all a favour on here, if you are a climate alarmist, please don't comment any further on matters of climate, because it is obvious that YOU also have no idea of the difference between a magician and a scientist.
WATCH THE VIDEO'S!

ALTRAV,

It's easy to see you're an avid LNP supporter.

Maybe you could get a job organising Saturday night LNP get-togethers at Parliament House.

Mr O, thanks for the thought, but I think I'll pass, what with all the orgies and going's on, up on the hill, I don't think I could handle having so many females to choose from, let alone trying to keep up with their sexual demands, by all reports.
If we take these reports/reporters seriously, we have a very sexually active bunch of female politicians.
All that power and pose must go to their head and converts into an aphrodisiac, and before you know it, trouble in the house.
We already know that the men are ALWAYS on the prowl seeking their next victim, or so it is reported by the very honest and unbiased media.
So it is obvious and only natural, that when any pollies come into secluded contact with one of the opposite sex, that they naturally engage in perfectly natural activities.
Such as closed door meetings.
Top level, private discussions.
Extremely high level discussions involving a lot of posturing and maneuvering.
So you see Mr O, I don't think I would have the time to comply with such top level demands, as I would be very busy with the business of (verbal) intercourse on the floor of the chamber.
But once more, thank you for your kind suggestion.

ALTRAV,

I was talking about the Saturday night LNP Bake Offs.

I haven't got a clue what you're talking about with all your sex and orgies of the hill.

I'm a nice clean Christian boy and would never dream of joining up with all those LNP swingers.

Let them burn in Hell I say . . . . . Let them burn in Hell.

Mr O, I hearest thou!
And lord said, gather my flock, and come unto me.
And the sheeple complied, and they all came together unto him in a glorious gush of love.
And the Lord anointed the big house on the hill and named it Parliament house, where all those within find love and affection from each other and the many who interact within.
May the Lord be with them, and with each other.
AMEN!

Of course it's not really flooding, except where it is. Pity the poor buggers with homes in low lying areas. The joke is that my weekly grocery order is supposed to be delivered tomorrow afternoon, & by then I most definitely will be flooded in. If the roads are open in the morning, I might go buy some cat & dog food, I don't see why the pets should suffer from all this global cooling.

Picked up an extra 100 liters of diesel for the generator this afternoon as the power generally goes out when the roads do. That will give me an extra 3 days power. Thank god for diesel.

Hasbeen,
>What is now needed is a class action against Flannery for damages by all who built on possible flood plains since
>his grand bit of pontification, to send the monster broke, & stop others of his ilk from lying to the public.

Wow, you really are delusional! Do you regard everyone you dislike as a monster?

Flannery is not responsible for the stupidity of others. I very much doubt anyone did make a decision to build on a floodplain because of anything he said, but even if anyone has, he's not liable as he's committed no tort.

Not only that, but EVENTS SHOWED HIM TO BE CORRECT! Because of the dryness of the soil, the rain that came n 2008 was insufficient to fill the dams, and the drought didn’t properly end until 2010.

____________________________________________________________________________

Bazz,
We're not at the solar peak, we're well past it - see https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

mhaze,
>" He never claimed the dams would never fill again"
>That's true. Equally he never said they would fill again.

He may not have expressly said it, but he certainly implied it, including in the quote I paraphrased before (sorry, I still can’t find a link to the original yet) where he acknowledged the possibility of freak weather events (as I hope you agree the present situation is an example of) as well as the possibility that the modelling was wrong.

> And for years after those statements, others, both friend and foe, interpreted it to mean that he thought the dams
>and rivers would never fill. And nowhere, at no time, in those years, did Flannery step in to set the record straight.
Maybe a few people who just read the headlines and skip the detailed reports came to that conclusion, but how could he set the record straight when they wouldn’t read or watch what he said?

>He let the statement stand and only after it became utterly untenable did he then start putting out his defence.
The attacks came after the drought broke. Do you expect him to respond to them before they’re made?

>Even in the years when state governments around the country were spending (wasting really)
>billions on useless desal plants based partly on these false claims that the dams weren't gunna fill…

Tim Flannery said they might not fill before they ran dry. How utterly idiotic are the people who misinterpreted that claim as “they’ll definitely NEVER EVER fill"?

And considering what was at stake, and the fact that we didn’t know whether the dams would fill before they ran dry, it would have been stupid to fail to invest in desal. It’s far from useless, as we’ll have more long droughts in the future.

ALTRAV,

Two LNP MPs walking through the corridors in Parliament.

First MP says 'Hey mate, got any photos of your wife in the nude?"

Second MP looks up astonished, lost for words, not knowing how to respond.

First MP says "Wanna buy some?"

Mr O, now that's the kind of banter I foster.
A little levity is good for everyone, not just the soul.
Laughter and merriment are one of the basics and staples of a happy life/environment.
I am forever saddened by my inability to remember so many things of my past, and jokes in particular.
I fear that humour and comedy will fall victim to the onslaught of this insidious disease called Political Correctness, and we shall suffer emotionally with the threat of it's negativity, unless we ignore the PC language and carry on "happily".

The worst thing to happen to our environment is the environmental movement itself. A record breaking flood in NSW. No new dams for 30 years, and the second raising of the Warragamba dam wall stopped by this lunatic minority, who went whining to the UN and got those criminals involved. Too bad for those people washed out of their homes. What a useless, gutless mob both both the Coalition and Labor are, allowing the 10% Green arse-end wag the dog.

Aiden, it is not just the solar cycle there are two other cycles involved,
which is why they are working with fourier transforms to
try and forecast the peaks and nulls. So far they believe the peak was
in the late 1990s. From just my amateur observation of history the
cycle seems vary between 600 years and 1000 years very roughly.
It is not until the 19th century that temperatures readings were made.

Some years ago I attended a meeting of the Local Emergency Management Committee.
At that meeting we given a talk by a NSW Govt Dept about the downstream
area of Warragamba Dam. This area South of Penrith is where the
Nepean River runs from the dam.
It was explained that the area in the event of a rare rain event would
be very badly flooded to the extent that many houses would be 10
metres under water.
A telephone ring everyone system was setup to call every phone in the
area with a flood warning. A road out of the area towards Blacktown
was raised above flood level to enable quick evacuation.
The 100 year flood almost happened shortly after that talk, but it
appears it might be here now.
I really do not understand why housing was allowed in the area of
a known major flood risk.

Bazz, it's called greed and avarice.
You can apportion a fair amount of blame, when talking about properties, to developers.
We have the exact case in point here the West.
Many years ago, (approx 40yrs) I purchased a "weekender", on the coast.
Our property backed onto properties facing the water.
We always wondered how the "waterfront" got building permits, being so close to the water.
My wife later answered the question as she had previously worked for a govt dept, The Lands Dept.
She remembered the case as she drew up the plans for the boundaries to those very properties, and said that originally the building line was up to our back fence.
But property developers lobbied the right scum-bags and hey presto, even at the behest of the Lands Dept, the boundary was shifted further towards the shore line, thereby creating "beach front" properties, and a lot of money to boot.
Well a few years ago, my wife was vindicated, when we had a huge storm, which washed away ALL the beach/foreshore, and eroded back to within, in some cases, 5metres from the foundations of those water front properties.
Resulting in the decision to return the building boundary back to the line our back fence is on, OR the original boundary as the Lands Dept had previously and originally set, and recommended.
The result of this developer greed is, that existing blocks that are now between our back fence and the water, cannot be built on, and existing buildings cannot be demolished to build a NEW dwelling.

Altrav,

Politicians and developers don't care what happens if they can make money and the fact that the sand that the sea builds up can, at any moment, be taken back doesn't enter into their considerations beyond a hope that it does not happen in their lifetimes.

Issy, too true.
One of my disappointments is that these scum-bag thieves have made their blood money, then run.
Many years later people, mostly innocent, end up losing everything because of the developers and the politicians greed and avarice.
My wish, on this matter is that, even though these people hide behind "arms length" companies, and also for tax minimisation purposes, we may not be able to touch them legally, so I always hoped that enough focused and determined men, took the lead and sought these scum-bags out, then made sure they never took advantage of another living thing ever again.
And under the threat of death.
In fact in MY version, they are eliminated completely from life itself.
Enough of this kind of action and we just might see a change in attitude towards their fellow humans, as human beings, and not as financial targets/cash cows.

Aidan,

You started off asserting that I was straight up lying about what Flannery said.

You're now reduced to admitting that indeed he was less than forthcoming in 'clarifying' what he said. I look forward to your withdrawing the lying claim.

Anyway it comes down to this - you think he was just misinterpreted and was tardy in setting people straight. I think he was deliberately ambiguous and allowed people to think that 'the science' showed the dams would never fill because that suited his propaganda purposes. Tomato, tomato.

We see this all the time in so-called climate science. Remember when the Arctic was going to be ice-free by 2013? Remember when the Obamessiah had 4 years to save the planet? Remember when polar bears were going extinct? Remember when snow was a thing of the past?

If the science was a strong as they claim they wouldn't have to fabricate these scares.

Dear mhaze,

Bloody hell mate are you really still banging on about this little lie of yours and Bolt's.

This is what Flannery said during the 7:30 interview.

“We’re already seeing the initial impacts and they include a decline in the winter rainfall zone across southern Australia, which is clearly an impact of climate change, but also a decrease in run-off. Although we’re getting say a 20 per cent decrease in rainfall in some areas of Australia, that’s translating to a 60 per cent decrease in the run-off into the dams and rivers. That’s because the soil is warmer because of global warming and the plants are under more stress and therefore using more moisture. So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems”

How on earth is that interpreted to mean the dams would never fill again by any other than the ideological twisted, like the two of you.

You little 5 second truncated snatch of the conversation was produced with malice and forethought attempts to convey an entirely different meaning.

However this really shouldn't surprise anyone familiar with you tactics and it doesn't. However it is getting tiresome.

The thing I find offensive and misleading about the discussion between SR and mhaze, is that it, (the discussion) completely ignores the value, relevance and effect (if any) that this GW thing is being purported to be the cause/fault of all our woe's.
All I have seen in my 70+ years on this earth and all the while born and living in Australia, for much/most of it, is simply a minor shift in weather patterns.
Shifts that have occurred before and will keep occurring again.
In the West we have NOT had the heat waves of years gone by.
Instead what I have noticed, is that OUR weather has moved East, and the Eastern states have been copping the heat and usual disruptions we normally used to endure.
So completely refuting this BS of a pathetic implied increase in global temp, I suggest just getting on with our lives, as whatever this is, it ain't anything we have done, and consequently, there ain't nothing we can/or should do.
End of!
If you guys haven't tweaked yet to what is ACTUALLY going on, well I'm not saying anything on this PC, truth, speech restricted medium, I'll say it all as soon as my pod-cast is set up.
Won't be long now, then you can get the un-censored, un-vetted, truth about the things I have been able to discover/uncover.

is simply a minor shift in weather patterns.
ALTRAV,
Uncanny, only this morning I said exactly the same to a few blokes & several looked at me as if I had just landed in a space craft.
One of my old mates actually said how weird it is to have the most beautiful boating weather when it's supposed to be cyclone & wet season.
Down south they're flooding & we have perfectly hot, sunny weather. It should be the other way round.

SR whined "How on earth is that interpreted to mean the dams would never fill again by any other than the ideological twisted, like the two of you."

Well I've already explained it several times. Obviously went over your head. See if you can find an 8 yr old to read and explain it to you.

"the two of you"?? ?? I know I seem to have twice the thinking capacity of poor old SR, but trust me, there's only one of me.

Dear mhaze,

Perhaps retention of previous sentences is problematic for you so I am happy to assist. The 'two of you' obviously referenced: "Bloody hell mate are you really still banging on about this little lie of yours and Bolt's."

And you haven't explained jack mate. You have attempted some feeble reference to 'implication' which was torn to shreds straight away and you haven't come back with anything.

Piss poor effort all round.

" You have attempted some feeble reference to 'implication'..."

I never used the word "implication" or any of its derivatives. That was Aidan. Has the logic of the thread left you behind again?

BTW earlier you claimed that Flannery tried "to correct the narrative..." which I disputed and asked for examples. Can't help but notice that you ran away from that assertion with some alacrity. Just shooting you mouth off again in the hope of not being called to provide evidence? Seems to be your main method of argument these days.

Dear mhaze,

Of course you spoke of the implied meaning.

“That's true. Equally he never said they would fill again. His statements were ambiguous, capable of being interpreted either way. And for years after those statements, others, both friend and foe, interpreted it to mean that he thought the dams and rivers would never fill.”

Flannery clarified he was quoting from the IPCC Special Report on Regional Impacts of Climate Change which “noted specifically that Enhanced groundwater recharge and dam-filling events were expected from more frequent high-rainfall events.”

“Water Supply and Hydrology: Possible overall reduction in runoff, with changes in soil moisture and runoff varying considerably from place to place but reaching as much as ±20%, was suggested for parts of Australia by 2030. Sharpened competition was expected among water users, with the large Murray-Darling Basin river system facing strong constraints. Enhanced groundwater recharge and dam-filling events were expected from more frequent high-rainfall events, which also were expected to increase flooding, landslides, and erosion.”

This is pretty well lining up with what we are experiencing.

Give it a rest.

Yes ALTRAV it is a total waste of time trying to talk to a lefty twit. Their brains, or what ever passes for such in them are totally oblivious to any fact or truth told them. It goes straight through their head with out so much as a ripple, leaving then totally unaffected. If it doesn't meet their objective, it never happened.

I spent some time a while back extracting figures on rainfall in this district. Anyone who is honest will admit that major wet or dry systems are very large & wide spread, so wet or dry years here would be similar for thousands of kilometers of the east coast as the present bit of rain. Incidentally, although heavy, it does not so far make it into the 10 wettest March recorded, despite the damage & suffering it has caused.

Briefly our wettest year here was 1893, with 1725mm.
The second wettest was..............1954, with 1475mm.
Third.............................................1947, with 1418mm.
Recent,.........................................2010, with 1367mm.

Our driest year was...............1919, with 434mm.
Second driest was,................1994, with 453mm.
Third......................................1902, with 459mm.
Recent....................................2019, with 482mm.

I defy even a lefty to find any kind of trend in that lot.
These facts will of course will be completely invisible to lefties as they don't suit their twisted ideology.

Dear Hasbeen,

Well without access to your data I couldn't tell. Is it on line? Maryborough wouldn't be that far away would it?

Here is a rain graph showing a definite downward trend in annual rain totals even given the gap years near the end of the records.

http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_display_type=dataGraph&p_stn_num=040126&p_nccObsCode=139&p_month=13

SR if you quote BOM rubbish after half a dozen corrections followed by homogenisations, I can only assume you are trying a con job, as they are.

Marryborough is only about 270K as the crow flies north. It does have some peculiarities in it's weather patterns, but should be reasonably similar in annual rainfall particularly major rainfall events. I do have somewhere the original figures from the early 1900s to 1990 from a Howard dairy farm, about 30 miles north of Maryborough. I also have my own figures from Burrum & Toogoom in the same area from 1986 to 2002.

If you are actually interested I will try to find them.

No my figures are the original unadulterated figures printed in the Beaudesert newspapers from 1889 to 2000, with my personal figures from 1992 added. The Beaudesert Times actually published them in 2000.

I am only interested in such printed figures as I have found so much tampering with original figures by the BOM to make anything they claim today to be a total fairy tale.

The games the BOM have been playing with temperature records for over 30 years make them what a judge would call, "a very unreliable witness". Anyone using any of their figures is either most naive or is trying to miss inform.

SR wrote: "Of course you spoke of the implied meaning."

And then provides a quote which doesn't in the least suggest anything approaching anything being implied. Somehow in the addled mind that is the dark recesses of SR's thinking, that makes sense.

SR wrote: "Flannery clarified he was quoting from the IPCC Special Report..."

First he doesn't say when that happened which is the crux of the issue although he probably doesn't understand that. Second its the IPCC saying the exact opposite of what Flannery said so how that helps SR's case is clear only in the addled mind that is the dark recesses of SR's thinking.

SR,

While some here are not quoting Flannery accurately, the gist is accurate:

"The esteemed chief counsellor of the Climate Council and former Australian of the Year, Tim Flannery, who has long made dire predictions about water availability. The Sydney Morning Herald noted in 2005 his prediction “that one morning in the not-too-distant future in one of the major cities, taps will be turned on, and instead of water, there will only be a whistling in the pipes. Not a drop. Totally dry.”

“Either Sydney’s growing water crisis results from a drought of exceptional intensity, or our climate has changed,” wrote Flannery that same year. “There’s only two years’ water supply in Warragamba Dam,” he said, “yet [NSW Minister for Energy and Utilities] Frank Sartor is talking about the situation being stable … If the computer models are right then drought conditions will become permanent in eastern Australia.”

“[The] worst-case scenario – and the one I believe is most likely to be correct – is that the rainfall since 1998 represents the new climate,” he said. “In three years we will know whether I’m being alarmist or not, for that’s about how long Sydney’s water supplies will last under the conditions that have prevailed since 1998,” he said.

Flannery set the rules for the alarmist test; let’s see the results. Warragamba was so short of water it reached 80 per cent of capacity six years after Flannery’s prediction. In 2012, the following year, it overflowed, something it did again in 2016. As of this week it began spilling 450 gigalitres per day – an amount roughly the volume of Sydney Harbour and around a quarter of the dam’s capacity.

Collectively, Greater Sydney dams are 99.5 per cent full. How lucky is NSW to have a desalination plant – something Flannery lobbied state governments to build – which costs well over half a million a day to stay idle? As he told ABC in 2007 “So even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems…”"

SM this guy sounds like another rip-off con-man like the GW CC alarmists/promoters, like Al Gore and many, many more.
He must have been getting kick-backs from somewhere or some group.
These situations nearly always lead back to money and or power, sometimes both.
Like that arse-wipe who claims to be black and has written some rubbish and the govt hired him to advise them on matters of black.
The case against him being black and even knowing about anything black, is overwhelmingly against him, yet he continues un-abated.
WHY?

Dear Shadow Minister,

So you are regurgitating and article from the Murdoch press written by someone who won't even put his name to it?

Wow.

Now Flannery wasn't talking about large urban water dams at all was he. This is from the transcrit: “So even the rain that falls isn't actually going to fill our dams and our river systems, and that's a real worry for the people in the bush. If that trend continues then I think we're going to have serious problems, particularly for irrigation.”

We are only recently out of a significant drought impacting NSW and QLD.

“2017 was a drier than average year for much of inland Queensland, most of New South Wales, eastern and central Victoria, and all of Tasmania. In 2018, rainfall for the year was very low over the southeastern quarter of the Australian mainland, with much of the region experiencing totals in the lowest 10% of historical observations, and was particularly low over the mainland southeast from April onwards. The state of New South Wales was declared to be 100% in drought by August 2018, remaining at 98.6% into May 2019; by May 2019 65.2% of Queensland was also declared to be in drought.”
Wikipedia

For the Murray-Darling Basin it was record breaking; “By July 2019, a climatologist at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology stated that the present drought was now officially the worst on record in the Murray–Darling Basin, and "had now exceeded the Federation Drought, the WWII drought and the Millennium drought in terms of its severity through the MDB".
Wikipedia

Our climate change modelling predicted longer periods of dry with less frequent but more intense periods of wet. They have been spot on. What's your problem?

The tenders for the desal plant were called for when Sydney's dam levels had fallen under 35%. Are you saying they shouldn't have been built?

Perth's plant is supplying up to 50% of that city's needs. Should that have never been built either?

shifty&shadyminister,

I think you suffer from LNPDS.

That's LNP Deviancy Syndrome.

Don't worry, it's nothing that a bit of sexual misdemeanor won't fix.

Just pop into your local Parliament and pick up a copy of the LNP Sexual Misdemeanors Monthly Bulletin giving upcoming activities.

It'll blow your mind away! Become one of the fun bunch on the Canberra Circuit.

SR,

TF's quotes were in the SMH, and if you are whining about the source of my info, your quotes from Wikipedia are also nameless and largely uncontrolled.

The reality is that Flannery's predictions were deliberately alarmist and unreliable and effectively made him a joke.

Shadowminister,

Here is the Australian article: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/the-mocker-tim-flannery-is-a-profit-of-doom-on-climate-scaremongering/news-story/eedf5871dca8a28f0257b8a2691d61eb

Here is the Wikipedia article which is well referenced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia

What part do you have an issue with?

For gods sake SR.

The Kidman drought, the Great Drought, the Federation drought [1901] was the same, or perhaps a little drier magnitude as the current drought, so nothing has changed.

Surely it is time you got a life old man, unless of course this rubbish is your lively hood.

SR,

I don't have a problem with either article. My comments were on the alarmist language by Flannery which is backed up by references to the left whinge Sydney morning herald.

The desalination plant is a prime example of Labor incompetence. At the time of tenders, it was clear that there were two components of the desalination system. The first was the network of tunnels and piping required to circulate the seawater and distribute the freshwater this would take about 2 years to build and cost about 50% of the entire project. The second portion was the actual RO plant itself which cost 50%, was modular and could be installed when needed. There was a suggestion that the first part should be built before the second part.

Of course, the Labor fwits placed the order for both parts and by the time the construction of the RO plant was started the drought was over, and by the time the plant was commissioned and running the dams were full and the RO plant was using coal-fired electricity to spill water at a huge expense.