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Should we accept China as big Brother/
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Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 7:40:55 PM
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Dear Critic,
«Well in principle I believe in fairness to all, so that means 'What you do for one, you do for the other'.» Particularly in romantic life? Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 7:48:27 PM
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"Well in principle I believe in fairness to all, so that means 'What you do for one, you do for the other'."
I do to, but unfortunately the Australian government, and I'll include the Labor party in that as well, do not see things that way. Today I had the pleasure to take a couple of fellas from West Papua out for the day to see a bit of Brisbane. Two nicer chaps you could not meet. Their mission in Australia for the past few months has been to bring to the attention of as many as possible, including government, the shocking events that are taking place in their homeland, nothing short of murder and genocide, Covid hasn't help get the message accross. Recently 45,000 West Papuans have been forced off their land into the jungle by the Indonesian army in the interest of large multinational mining companies. Many of these people are dying from disease and starvation. Something like 100,000 people have been killed by Indonesian forces over the years, as resistance to the genocide has grown. Does the Australian government want to know about these murders and genocide, does it care, the only answer is no! Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 9:48:34 PM
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Hey Yuyutsu,
"Particularly in romantic life?" Not exactly sure how to respond or if were on the same page here, but yeah sure. Hey Paul, It's oil companies, pretty sure Exxon Mobil has a big gas project there. I remember they built a big heavy lift airport in the middle of nowhere big enough to fly in Antanov, and they shot up any of the local people who were displaced or disagreed. And the non- Papua New Guinean looking bloke in charge of the country is more or less siding with the oil companies for the revenue it brings. I'm sure the government is aware of the situation - The question is what exactly do you want or expect them to do? I haven't really paid any attention to this situation for a while. Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 21 January 2021 2:01:50 AM
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Hi AC,
Unbelievable as it may sound, West Papua has less friends in the world than North Korea. Their only friend seems to be PNG, sort of. they to fear Indonesia What do they want from Australia, just to listen to their plight, and if possible to help them, maybe speak with our friends and the UN and of course Indonesia. They tell me China is Indonesia's best friend, I didn't want to talk muck politics as it was a social day. As a bottom line they would accept incorporation into PNG. Multinationals are using private mercenaries are security, they are armed to the teeth and they use their power whenever they like The Indonesian army is a tool of private companies, and officers are in their pay Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 21 January 2021 6:06:22 AM
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Hey Paul1405,
I must've been thinking of PNG not West Papua. found this article here from 2016 enlightening on the situation there, and as you said, it is indeed the mining companies. http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/nov/02/100-bn-dollar-gold-mine-west-papuans-say-they-are-counting-the-cost-indonesia Of note in that article: you see how immigration can be used as a weapon, to change the demographics of the people to ones who will support a particular government? To more or less wipe out the existing people living in a place. I mean lets say they now say 'We're going to hold free and fair elections!'. - Well that doesn't matter anymore does it because the West Papuans themselves are now the minority; They can't possibly vote their way out of it because they simply don't have the numbers to do so. The oil and mining industries can be rather nasty in poor nations so I'm told, and yes they do use ex-military security contractors (Mercenaries) They can just go in and drill anywhere right under the noses of tribal people like this and run pipelines to loading platforms 30klms offshore like they do in Louisiana or forced labour. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Offshore_Oil_Port I guess Indonesia has more to gain by cosying up to China, I can see how it would be in both of their interests to be friends. Incorporating West Papua into PNG seems to be the best option these people can hope for. Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 21 January 2021 1:29:55 PM
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"What do you think of those who support a rules based system no matter which country it favours?"
Well in principle I believe in fairness to all, so that means 'What you do for one, you do for the other'.
- But I'm not exactly sure what you're alluding to, so I'd have so say 'It depends on what rules specifically you're talking about, and whether others agree to play by those rules'.