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Why educational institutions must change

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Misop, poor half-witted boy,

I wrote "For some groups, access to opportunity can be almost impossible, generation after generation (I'm thinking of some of the descendants of convicts 150-200 years ago), without some sort of inspiring teacher, or other form of leg-up ...."

I wasn't aware that many of those ancestors were Chinese. Live and learn :)

And I did add: " .... Imposing barriers, such as the imposition of fees, is a huge barrier to such groups."

Strange, I wasn't thinking about Chinese when I typed that, but about:

* working-class people here, the descendants of convicts who have never gained any understanding of the value and role of education - TAFE (in your case) and university, higher skills of any sort actually - and

* Indigenous people, who have actually grasped higher education (sorry, not TAFE, so you probably don't know any) enthusiastically over the past generation: with around 12-14,000 people in an age-group, some 6-7,000 commence university study each year, and close to six thousand graduates now (around 10 % of the entire Indigenous population) - overwhelmingly urban of course (since that's where the universities are) and female.

It may dismay many on the Left (given their extreme hand-wringing pity for the unchangeable position of Indigenous people) but around 150,000 Indigenous people have, at some time, enrolled in university study, overwhelmingly in standard degree-level and PG awards, since 1980.

Actually, with your obsessive disdain for Chinese, I suspect that you may be Chinese, disillusioned in some way, perhaps knocked back from the distant promise of some CCP position once you finish your woodwork course at TAFE. Life can be cruel :(

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Sunday, 10 January 2021 11:21:50 AM
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Foul-Mouth,

Looks like I hit a nerve that might be felt all the way back to your buddies in Beijing.

Would you like to tell the folks that Australia has to give all those Chinese uni grads a permanent residency visa in order to keep them in Australia because our unis don't produce enough local Aussie grads to meet the demands of Australian businesses for skilled employees.

It's a win-win situation for the Boys in Beijing aka Foul-Mouth's mates.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 10 January 2021 11:39:07 AM
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Oops, that should have been 'sixty' thousand Indigenous university graduates - six thousand graduate these days well within two years.

Looks like I hit a nerve, Misop :) You actually ARE Chinese ?

Welcome to Australia, provided you don't carry out any subversive activities, and pay your university fees if you ever get to that stage.
Give it time.

I hope that, if there aren't enough Australian-born students enrolling and graduates graduating to take up skilled positions here, that we can attract students and graduates from China, Vietnam, the Philippines, India, Thailand, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Nepal, all of Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. We need skilled people, as every country does. And the more diverse their origins, the better.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Sunday, 10 January 2021 11:50:55 AM
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Foul-Mouth,

That 25% of the graduates who are Chinese to whom Australia MUST give permanent residency to meet demands of employers could have been the Australian citizens who missed out on those uni places because the places were sold to the Chinese.

If they went home after graduating that would be alright.

But these Chinese graduates get the jobs while the Aussies who missed out because there were no degree places for them end up on the unemployment heap.

Like I keep saying: our unis now have as much to do with migrant processing as they have to do with higher education.

And who is to blame: politicians, bureaucrats and business people.

And of course you and all the others in the pro-China camp.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 10 January 2021 12:15:13 PM
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I think Loudmouth had trouble fitting in as a child. We all did at different times- but some got over it.
Posted by Canem Malum, Sunday, 10 January 2021 12:16:28 PM
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Canem Malum,

I think you might be spot on there.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 10 January 2021 12:23:47 PM
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