LET'S NOT GET INTO THE GUTTER WITH SOME POLITICIANS!LET'S BE POSITIVE AND REALISE THAT THERE ARE SOME HONEST POLITICIANS OUT THER REGARDLESS OF OUR POLITICAL PREFERENCES PEOPLE MUST OPEN THEIR EYES TO FIND SOME POLITICIANS WITH ETHICS AND MORALS ON BOTH SIDES OF POLITICS INSTEAD OF JUST FOLLOWING PARTY LINES!! THE NEGATIVITY OF SOME PEOPLE IS ASTOUNDING, LOOK AROUND FOR THE GOOD THINGS IN LIFE !! SADLY WE ARE BECOMING A VERY NEGATIVE NATION !! WHY IS THIS?
I THINK THIS NATION CAN DO BETTER!

Irish,
Name a truly honest politician and I will consider sending my vote in their direction.
It cannot be anyone who has been seen babykissing on the evening news.
Can't can you?

Wow Fletcher, you've tarnished your halo with this one. Repeating rumour and innuendo, hiding accusations behind what other people say.

And YOU are accusing others of less than noble behaviour. Very grubby work sport.

c'mon you lot, haven't you got any serious issues to debate ? so what if a useles mutt like Rudd gets blotto. do you really believe Downer could be bothered with that ? it's just one of those Labor/media leaks to make people believe that the conservatives are into gutter politics. there are people out there battling for a living & the media has nothing better to do than focus on such ridiculous frivolities. if Rudd wants to get blotto that's his business. I'm sure conservatives do the same. as a matter of fact most of us do at times. I think that's what alcohol was actually created for. why don't you all focus on the corruption & incompetence of the public service instead & expose those useless bureaucrats who cause so much grief in our society.

Pammy, you must be desperate to attack me personally. I am not a public figure with the salary and power of Alexander Downer. I don't run this country like his mob does. I don't have a position that requires me to respect a level playing field. The matter is that Alexander Downer has said some grubby things that are none of his business.

So I'm just spreading rumors and innuendo that you so defensively crow about and you don't like? It was no a rumor. It was fully documented in the 7:30 report that Alexander Downer was known to have drag shows in fishnet stockings with Colin Powell, and had been known to do similar drag in front of children. Much like Fat Cat did I guess. But Fat Cat was caught.

Everything I mentioned to start this thread was backed with web sites from market research, interviews with Kerry O' Brian from the 7:30 report, and so on.

Yes this is dirty laundry. But your friend Alexander Downer who you are strangely defensive of, started this dirty laundry himself.

Alexander Downer is no stranger to grubby politics, he does it frequently. He's probably one of the grubbiest of them all.

And me? You don't know me. Playing with "the Saint" thing is primary school stuff, everyone knows my tag.

This happened 4 years ago in New York.

Bob Brown summed up the whole thing the best. Four years ago, Howard and Downer invaded Iraq, with the US, against United Nations law to which we were a signatory to. The excuse was that that there were WMDs. They were wrong and they were irresponsible and wear the shame of thousands of innocent women and children in Iraq. Did they retreat? No! Against the advice of every intelligence official in the world they went on and on spending billions of our taxes to kill people.

Meanwhile we inherit a paranoid war culture, lose our rights in sedition laws, and all is in the name of "democracy". The lies overflow like Niagara falls to Buffalo.

Strippers?

Wobbles
To his credit??
The cruelty of piggeries is everbody persons responsibilty to raise!