Pauliar,

After 4 years of left-whinge raving, I have given up any hope of seeing a glimmer of reason in your posts.

ahttps://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-losing-ground-with-white-voters-but-gaining-among-black-and-hispanic-americans/

"Trump’s support among young Black voters (18 to 44) has jumped from around 10 per cent in 2016 to 21 per cent in UCLA Nationscape’s polling"

Once again you and reality are strangers.

Shonkyminister, once again you are wide of the mark. Sure, coming of such a low base, particularly with black Americans, and given a very strong 'Latinos For Trump' campaign in Florida, along with a few other issues playing well for Trump, it was not unexpected he could score a few more votes his way. While these groups have the commonality of race, they are certainly not homogeneous as a voting block. It's not to be unexpected that Trump would collect votes from the small black middle class, fearful of civil unrest, or Latinos descended from such people as the Havana Mafia, exiled to America by Castro, plus a vehement anti communists mob who fled socialists governments in Central and South America. In the states when Latinos were more "Mexican" in origin Biden obtained a swing.

Pauliar,

It is only the left whingers that believe in identity politics and who believe that one should vote according to their racial identity.

However, it was you that claimed that "Sure, there would be the isolated moron in the black community who would vote for your man Donald" that was way off the mark.

The estimate would have about 4 million blacks voting for Trump rather than your racist estimate.

Thank the Lord conservative pollies in Oz are not under as many legal question marks as Trump.

See "US Election: Trump could be jailed after leaving office next year" at http://youtu.be/omPm17syav4

Thanks Shadow Minister for your points. Kudos. The investigators will collect the evidence that the Republican Observers have- then see if the election was conducted according to best practice- if they have a case then hopefully the election authorities will behave objectively according to their role. I expect that the Democrat's will put on a lot of pressure to come to the "right" decision. And I'm sure the Republican's will put their own pressure on making the decision in their favour. If I was in the Republican camp I wouldn't make any claims that didn't have some basis in fact- because it could reflect on their integrity.

But this is war. To think that there is truth left on either side is questionable. But I still believe that Trump has the interest of the Founding British American's and their descendents at heart.

Sequence of events...

1. It's strange that a group of people (Group A- Democrats/ Communists/ Global Business People) brings people (Immigrants- Competing Diaspora- Opportunists) into the US- to distort the US power dynamic- without seeking approval from the Incumbent people/ diaspora.

2. Then these Immigrants (Opportunists) are perceived to be hurting the Incumbent people (Victims). Either directly or by proxy.

3. Group B (Trump) tries to do something about the perceived hurt.

4. Group A (Democrats/ Communists/ Business People) says that Group B (Trump) is creating division in the community when they created the original problem (Immigration- Competing Diaspora).

This seems to be classic victim blaming.

To me Trump is trying to fix a divisive policy.

But ubiquitous Locke Liberalism denies the concept of cultural/ ancestral roots.

All philosophies and science is wrong- hopefully the practitioners have the intelligence to realise the limitations of their theories.

Aristotle was wrong in view of Newton- Newton was wrong in view of Relativity- Relativity is wrong in view of Quantum Mechanics.

If error is true of the hard sciences- then this principle is more true of the soft social sciences- communist Emile Durkheim is perhaps responsible here as the father of the elevation of "social scientism".

Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 9 November 2020 12:18:14 PM

Trump is less a party Conservative than a selfish Businessman who bought the ultimate political position.

Clive Palmer is indeed the closest Businessman-politician equivalent here.

Barnaby Joyce doesn't have the money but is a self-server, who could start his own party.

Malcolm Turnbull has the money, but is principled and moderate.

Answer- Plantagenet seems to make assertions without evidence here.

I think Trump is perhaps misrepresented by Plantagenet. My knowledge of the two peoples businesses is admitedly limited. In order to compare Trump with Palmer is dependent on the type of business- my understanding is Palmer would have different interests given his Nickle mine is essentially an import export business whereas Trump deals mainly with the heavily nationally regulated real estate industry. Maybe Plantagenet knows something I don't and will enlighten us.

Turnbull is an ex-banking executive- entreprenuer- most of his activities seem to be confined to Australia.

This is interesting... Turnbull (despite being from the Liberal Party) seems to have significant links with the socialist labor party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Turnbull

"In 1987, Turnbull established an investment banking firm, Whitlam Turnbull & Co Ltd, in partnership with Neville Wran, the former Labor Premier of New South Wales, and Nicholas Whitlam, the former Chief Executive of the State Bank of New South Wales and the son of former Labor Prime Minister Gough Whitlam. ...
Turnbull left the firm he co-founded in 1997 to become a managing director of Goldman Sachs Australia, eventually becoming a partner in Goldman Sachs and Co. ... Turnbull appeared before the HIH Insurance royal commission to be questioned on Goldman Sachs's involvement.

I find that in order to make judgements on a field of expertise it's necessary to have a good framework to make judgements. The link below discusses political frameworks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

I find the ideas of Mitchell interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum#Mitchell:_Eight_Ways_to_Run_the_Country