Although Donald Trump appeared to crash and burn in the recent American Presidential election, he did achieve a vote of around 47%, something Australian politicians could only dream of. The question is could a Donald Trump like character ever gain enough traction in Australian politics to become our national leader? In the late 80's a 'Joh for PM' campaign was launched, hoping to propel the mad as they come Queensland Premier Joh Bjelke-Petersen, with his mix of guns and bibles, a somewhat Trump style political figure into the top job, however the attempt failed miserably. In more recent times attempts by Trumpesque style Australia politicians such as Pauline Hanson, Cory Bernardi and Clive Palmer to gain some degree of national authority have been a failure. Is it that Australia may never be ready to embrace a misfit conservative like Donald J Trump, or could it be that the right fruitcake of a messiah from the conservative side of politics has not yet arrived to deliver us poor Australian from all that ales us?

"...a misfit conservative like Donald J Trump, or could it be that the right fruitcake of a messiah from the conservative side of politics has not yet arrived to deliver us poor Australian (sic) from all that ales(did) us?"

This would regarded as 'hate speech' by the mob that this uncouth bigmouth represents. What "ales" us instead of what "ails" us! Fancy presuming that anyone will listen to a person who shows such ignorance. This is the second time in as many days that he has used 'ale', the stuff affecting his brain, with 'ail'.

It's probably unlikely that there will be enough actual evidence of fraud to undo the very narrow victory achieved by the Democrats, but the taint of fraud is now well entrenched, and it was a narrow victory no matter how it was achieved, honestly or not. The election has done nothing to heal the rift between Americans, and that is very bad news for Australia and the Western world. Already the Labor opposition is pressuring our government to put even more financial hardships on us and increase our action on climate change. It won't be long before the pressure is on the government to acquiesce to Communist China.

Donald Trump was a wrecker and a threat to democracy? We haven't seen anything yet.

Nit pick all you like ttbn, but how about a comment on the content. You, a ripped off supporter of the failed Corny Banana and his Australian Conservatives. Do you see a path to the top for a true conservative leader in Australian politics. Trump breezed onto the stage in American politics, and achieved immediate success. Clive Palmer tried to splash the cash in a way that if there had been a ground swell of discontent in the electorate he could have capitalised on it with his own brand of conservative populism, Trump style. You are one for claiming to represent the "silent (conservative) majority" all one percent of them. The truth is the vast majority of Australians don't want a bar of yours, and others, conservative politics. Yo are forever bucketing on Morrison on the Forum, but never offer anyone as an alternative. Maybe you are a closet One Nation supporter and see the Lovely Pauline as a great future leader, waiting in the wings, it wouldn't surprise me, given your failures on so many issues.

p/s I am glad you read all my posts very carefully, I can't say I do the same with yours.

The Biden win was just another shot in the arm for the corrupt !

Hi Paul,

Trump conservatism in Australia?

I would not describe Trump as a conservative by any stretch
of the imagination. To me he's arguably the most
authoritarian American leader who ever ran for re-election
and thank goodness he did not win.

The man is totally dysfunctional and unstable and his
persistent maladaptiveness disqualifies him from being
suitable for any political party or viewpoint. He's in a
class on his own - "The Party of Trump!"

However he is a manipulator and has sadly managed to draw in
supporters both in the US and here - who believe that he
will somehow solve their problems. It's all an illusion.
Sadly his supporters don't as yet realize that.

Hi Foxy,

A lot of what Trump had to say was rhetoric, designed to rope in the gullible from a conservative base. I'm inclined to think Trump said most things without any real sincerity, he has no convictions on anything except himself. To a populist like Trump, conservative values of say, American Christianity, are nothing more than a tool to be used to garner support. On issues such as abortion he probably didn't give a toss one way or the other, as demonstrated by his lack of empathy for the quarter of a million dead Americans from coronavirus. Why would he be concerned about an aborted fetus, after all they don't vote, but those that are concerned do vote! Add all that popular politics to meaningless catchy phrases like "drain the swamp" and "make America great again" and you have a winning formula. People have inclinations, all Trump was doing was exploiting those inclinations to obtain power for himself.

Dear Paul,

I remember seeing an interview with Trump years ago where
he was pro-choice. So he bends whichever way suits him.
I agree with you. His only concern is himself and of
course winning and power. He is not for traditional
social institutions. He does not care about tradition or
organised religion or even parliamentary government.
He only cares about himself.

Trump is less a party Conservative than a selfish Businessman who bought the ultimate political position.

Clive Palmer is indeed the closest Businessman-politician equivalent here.

Barnaby Joyce doesn't have the money but is a self-server, who could start his own party.

Malcolm Turnbull has the money, but is principled and moderate.

There are few others I can think of.

Australian politics is:

- much more sensible
- less extremist
- less polarised
- less racially torn
- less gun "happy"
- has no fake exceptionalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism , and
- less fake God-Fearing

than "Great" America.

We Australians keep our politicians, and other tall poppies, relatively honest, compared to America.

and we have Compulsory voting and a preferential system ably backed up by the very democratic Proportional Representation for the Senate, the Us has First Past the Post which is the least democratic system apart from a one-party state.

Trump is nowhere near a typical conservative, his economic policies are closer to Labor and his social policies closer to one nation.

No conservative would try and prop up local businesses by using tariffs as the consequences are generally worse than the benefits.

Paul,

You say "am glad you read all my posts very carefully".

Not any more sport. You are clearly an incorrigible gasbag who gets wound up in the mornings and yaps until bedtime. Read one of your posts and you've read them all. You will just go on making a fool of yourself with your crude and rude ways. You are obviously too insensitive to feel embarrassment.

who believe that he will somehow solve their problems. It's all an illusion.
Foxy,
Most of those who supported him supported the draining of the swamp, not so much the man himself.
Biden will start re-stocking the swamp from day 1 as did the Qld Premier here. It guarantees votes but with an economic side-effect that's going to bite us all in the backsides !

Biden's win will change OLO.

US politics will be boring without Trump.

"Planet America" will need close shop.

Trump's quip in October: "'COULD YOU IMAGINE IF I LOSE? MAYBE I’LL HAVE TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY" is turning out true.

see http://www.foxnews.com/politics/flashback-trump-in-october-could-you-imagine-if-i-lose

According to Trump's Prenup Agreement Melania (post PussyGate and StormyGate) will get a better divorce payout by mid 2021. But Trump is US$400,000,000 in debt.

Trump will need to run far and fast to beat the New York lawsuits or suffer years of litigation.

Maybe escape to his best friend's place at the Kremlin, Moscow.
_______________________________

OLO's Trumpets will be leaderless. What will they do? With Trump, so far, away, what will they do?

http://youtu.be/FHcUArjHxHI?t=38s

A good comment I spotted is:

"What's amazing is that if Trump had simply taken Covid seriously, listened to the experts and tried to save American lives, he would still be President.

Instead he did what he always does: tried to sweep the problem under the rug and keep the spotlight on himself.

So what it boils down to is that Trump was Trump, and it cost him the Presidency."

Trump, The Businessman's ability to rev up the economy, didn't survive Trump's failure as a national leader.

plantagenet, Trump merely represented a political platform that gives life to society. From freeing the slaves to protecting the unborn. The Platform is not Trump. There are other leaders who will rise to lead the Republican Party. Joe will only last a couple of years and Kamila will rise as President. Her agenda is extremely radical for American voters, only gaining 4% of Democratic votes in the selection. Bernie Sanders is more acceptable than Kamila to left wing voters in America.

Amazing how the 2.5% of US rightwing extremists recognise none of the middle ground that 90% of Americans live in.

Dear JoseMosley [1]

The Youtube "Trump's Lost Erection" http://youtu.be/kxHd8JJ8hCU is dedictated to your sweet self :)

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley#Fascism

The Left got the outcome they wanted but what about those who don't deserve that ? I suppose in typical Left fashion, others don't matter !

Hi Planty,

Its interesting how the "Mosley Memorandum" 1930, put forward by Oswald Mosley was very Trump like in its methods and objectives. Mosley could have used the slogan "Make Britain Great Again", just like Trump. Fascist was not such a dirty word in the 1930's, all the Western Democracies, including Australia, had a strong fascist element within, witch enjoyed a high degree of support. Not only can fascism become popular with the more extreme from the conservative side of politics, it can just as easily be embraced by extreme socialists. It was during WWI in Germany that "National Socialism", later being commonly known as Nazism, began to gain momentum. It defined socialism within national boarders, thus nationalism, while rejecting international socialism in the form of Marxism, it still allowed for a large degree of market capitalism. Nazism had elements that appealed to both ends of the spectrum, socialism for some, capitalism for others. A bit like Trumpism, who knows given free rein how far Trumpism can go in the United States.

Paul,

Mosley's ideas more closely resemble that of the Greens, big spending ,big government etc.

Hi Paul

I reckon national socialism was a grab-all term, chosen by Hitler to win the vote/loyalty of the greatest number of Germans.

The nuances of the term "national socialism" is lost on OLO's overdose of rightwingers, who infested this forum long before Trump was president.

Both Trump and Hitler were able to rev up their national economies, but their other policies, or lack of, damaged their economies.

Hitler, through presiding over a German economy that his attempted invadees flattened in the war.

and

Trump through boosting COVID by denying its seriousness, thereby hobbling the US economy.

Plantagent, I see you believe Trump caused Covid-19 on America to weaken their economy. Please answer why the UK, France, Italy and the EU also is gripped with Covid-19. Was Trump responsible for them?

Now that Biden has been Elected the Marxist BLM are still not happy, Is Biden going to send the Police or the National Guard to subdue them?
http://www.glennbeck.com/radio/did-democrats-really-think-blm-would-stop-with-a-biden-win

News has just come in from Voter investigation on Pennsylvania voting irregularities: " It is not over yet. Politics withdrew Joe Biden’s president-elect status Monday night American time after stripping him of Pennsylvania’s 20 electoral votes.
RCP reversed Biden’s win in Pennsylvania bringing him back down below the 270 threshold to 259 electoral votes. The reversal comes as votes continue to be counted and lawsuits fly".

Josephus,

As a Manichaean, you can't be expected to understand nuance: I think Plantagenet was suggesting, not so much that Trumpf CAUSED the virus, but bungled a coordinated national US response to it.

Of course, coordinating a national response in the US, with its fifty-plus state jurisdictions and vast multitude of county parochialisms, would be more difficult than the work which Morrison has overseen here, and which state governments were all aware was so vital, to overcome this virus.

Well, we've done it (and NZ too) and the US hasn't even begun the process properly. After all, with around 140,000 new cases each day, a million this week, how could the US health system even begin to track and trace cases, as health professionals have done here ? Perhaps there is some efficiency in our systems which is absent in the US, something like, say, a Medicare system. Something like Obama tried to implement.

Which is why I suspect that our health system, and Obama's intended one, have nothing in common with communist systems, as in the old Soviet Union, where - to paraphrase - personnel pretended to work and patients pretended to get better.

As a progressive conservative, I would recommend our system to the world: if something works, leave it alone. If it needs improvement, then improve it with caution.

Meanwhile, in the US, with their ramshackle systems, we have had nearly a quarter of a million Covid deaths, mostly thanks to incompetence at the top ......

Joe

One has at some point to separate the buffoon from his achievements:

"For more than 70 million Americans, Donald Trump represents hope. He won the 2016 election against a sure-bet Democrat with a political pedigree and the global media on her side. He won the second-biggest popular vote in US electoral history last week despite a four-year onslaught by the political media elite. On present numbers, he has increased the Republican share of Hispanic voters and improved his standing among African-Americans. Trump has forever changed American politics and the breadth of his achievements impresses where his style, and his handling of the pandemic fail.

The 45th US president restored law and order by defending police against militant racists and nominating black-letter lawyers to the Supreme Court. He chipped away at left-wing orthodoxy in the public service and on campus by testing the limits of free speech. He demanded equal treatment for America in foreign policy by telling free-riding allies to boost their military spending and pay their fair share for defence. He called the bluff of bully states and withdrew US money from the Paris Agreement, which rewards totalitarian regimes with Western workers’ money. He protected Americans from illiberal enemies by closing the border to terrorist-producing states. He defended Israel by negotiating the most celebrated Middle East peace deal in recent history. He encouraged the revival of American manufacturing in towns gripped by unemployment and sliding into the despair of intergenerational opioid addiction. And he worked to restore the democratic norms established by the founding fathers. Trump stood for the millions of Americans that globalists treat like an unpleasant aftertaste of the industrial era. For all of that, the politically correct will forever regard him as an enemy."

Similar voter contests arose with the Bush v Gore Election in 2000.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/bush-v-gore-and-the-2000-election-never-ended.html

Shonkyminister,

Your reference to the buffoon made your above post look promising, unfortunately it was all downhill from there on.

Proud Boy Jose'

Get over it, the Fourth Reich didn't last a thousand years only four. The Fuhrer (Trump) has retreated to his bunker (white house), he is calling on imaginary armies (republican voters) to save the Reich (America) from the advancing communists (Biden and Harris). All the while issuing executive orders (tweets) condemning the disloyal defeatists (Mark Esper). Gun laws are rather lax in the United States, all sorts of nutters can have a hand gun.

"As a progressive conservative, I would recommend our system to the world: if something works, leave it alone. If it needs improvement, then improve it with caution."

Hi Joe,

I tag you as a moderate progressive, radical in the Australian sense of the word radical, radical on some issues, conservative on others. The vast majority of Australian's are that way. Take an historical issues like "woman's suffrage", at one time it was the conservative view, that it was entirely appropriate that only men should vote, that was the social norm and accepted by the majority. Along came radical women and they started to demand voting rights for women, an extremely radical notion. At some point the radical concept progressed, becoming socially acceptable, and no longer an extreme radical idea, until it become so accepted that its no longer an issue.

Josepuss

You fail to understand Trump ducking America's worst health crisis, while Trump plays GOLF.

What part of:

"Trump through boosting COVID by denying its seriousness, thereby hobbling the US economy."

can't you understand?

Hi Jose

To mix metaphors

Trump, like Nero, is tugging his personal, while Rome burns.

Paul,

I am looking forward to a post from you which doesn't give the impression that you have just dropped acid. I guess that your ranting is because you couldn't face the facts.

The reason that he got the vote of 70m Americans including increasing his votes from black and hispanic voters is precisely because he largely achieved what he promised when he was elected and improved the welfare of the minority groups. Where he lost votes was from whites.

SM,

Trump got 71 million votes. Biden got nearly 75 million votes. A margin of nearly four million votes. Biden got more votes. He won the popular vote. And, as it seems, also the Electoral College vote. He won both votes. End of.

Whoever Cathy Freeman beat in that 400 metres race must have come very close. But she came second. She took longer to finish the 400 metres, perhaps by only a split second. But she came second. End of.

I forget who won this year's Melbourne Cup, but whoever it was, beat whoever came second, perhaps by a nose. One horse came first; another came second. End of.

Joe

The legal challenge to ensure all votes were legitimate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo3kHR8PHpM&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=q5KTe8n5d5E2iyNh%3A6

Josephus,

No problems, as we say in Australia: figure out which might be the most suspect electoral race, and re-count all of the votes there. All of them.

If there is any major fraud (not just a few dozen here or there), then re-count all of the ballots in all of the States.

There's plenty of time between now and when the Electoral College has to meet in mid-December.

Joe

Shonkyminister, after four years on the Forum of obsequious devotion to that buffoon masquerading as US President, Donald J Trump, you now attempt to justify your misplaced faith in a totally dangerous and deranged nincompoop by claiming he actually did some good. Reading the 'Beat Up' Bolt column and listing to 'That Boy' Jones rantings and ravings in support of Dangerous Doctor Donald does thee no good.

Sure, there would be the isolated moron in the black community who would vote for your man Donald, just as there was a negro in 1936 who seriously tried to join the US Nazi party, in the mistaken belief that they would do some good for the black community, they rejected his application on the grounds that he was of the wrong colour for doing good. The Hispanics you speak of, are a handful in Florida, Cuban exiled old farts, hoping that The Donald would assist one day in a second Bay of Pigs invasion or some such nonsense.

Pauliar,

After 4 years of left-whinge raving, I have given up any hope of seeing a glimmer of reason in your posts.

ahttps://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-losing-ground-with-white-voters-but-gaining-among-black-and-hispanic-americans/

"Trump’s support among young Black voters (18 to 44) has jumped from around 10 per cent in 2016 to 21 per cent in UCLA Nationscape’s polling"

Once again you and reality are strangers.

Shonkyminister, once again you are wide of the mark. Sure, coming of such a low base, particularly with black Americans, and given a very strong 'Latinos For Trump' campaign in Florida, along with a few other issues playing well for Trump, it was not unexpected he could score a few more votes his way. While these groups have the commonality of race, they are certainly not homogeneous as a voting block. It's not to be unexpected that Trump would collect votes from the small black middle class, fearful of civil unrest, or Latinos descended from such people as the Havana Mafia, exiled to America by Castro, plus a vehement anti communists mob who fled socialists governments in Central and South America. In the states when Latinos were more "Mexican" in origin Biden obtained a swing.

Pauliar,

It is only the left whingers that believe in identity politics and who believe that one should vote according to their racial identity.

However, it was you that claimed that "Sure, there would be the isolated moron in the black community who would vote for your man Donald" that was way off the mark.

The estimate would have about 4 million blacks voting for Trump rather than your racist estimate.

Thank the Lord conservative pollies in Oz are not under as many legal question marks as Trump.

See "US Election: Trump could be jailed after leaving office next year" at http://youtu.be/omPm17syav4

Thanks Shadow Minister for your points. Kudos. The investigators will collect the evidence that the Republican Observers have- then see if the election was conducted according to best practice- if they have a case then hopefully the election authorities will behave objectively according to their role. I expect that the Democrat's will put on a lot of pressure to come to the "right" decision. And I'm sure the Republican's will put their own pressure on making the decision in their favour. If I was in the Republican camp I wouldn't make any claims that didn't have some basis in fact- because it could reflect on their integrity.

But this is war. To think that there is truth left on either side is questionable. But I still believe that Trump has the interest of the Founding British American's and their descendents at heart.

Sequence of events...

1. It's strange that a group of people (Group A- Democrats/ Communists/ Global Business People) brings people (Immigrants- Competing Diaspora- Opportunists) into the US- to distort the US power dynamic- without seeking approval from the Incumbent people/ diaspora.

2. Then these Immigrants (Opportunists) are perceived to be hurting the Incumbent people (Victims). Either directly or by proxy.

3. Group B (Trump) tries to do something about the perceived hurt.

4. Group A (Democrats/ Communists/ Business People) says that Group B (Trump) is creating division in the community when they created the original problem (Immigration- Competing Diaspora).

This seems to be classic victim blaming.

To me Trump is trying to fix a divisive policy.

But ubiquitous Locke Liberalism denies the concept of cultural/ ancestral roots.

All philosophies and science is wrong- hopefully the practitioners have the intelligence to realise the limitations of their theories.

Aristotle was wrong in view of Newton- Newton was wrong in view of Relativity- Relativity is wrong in view of Quantum Mechanics.

If error is true of the hard sciences- then this principle is more true of the soft social sciences- communist Emile Durkheim is perhaps responsible here as the father of the elevation of "social scientism".

Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 9 November 2020 12:18:14 PM

Trump is less a party Conservative than a selfish Businessman who bought the ultimate political position.

Clive Palmer is indeed the closest Businessman-politician equivalent here.

Barnaby Joyce doesn't have the money but is a self-server, who could start his own party.

Malcolm Turnbull has the money, but is principled and moderate.

Answer- Plantagenet seems to make assertions without evidence here.

I think Trump is perhaps misrepresented by Plantagenet. My knowledge of the two peoples businesses is admitedly limited. In order to compare Trump with Palmer is dependent on the type of business- my understanding is Palmer would have different interests given his Nickle mine is essentially an import export business whereas Trump deals mainly with the heavily nationally regulated real estate industry. Maybe Plantagenet knows something I don't and will enlighten us.

Turnbull is an ex-banking executive- entreprenuer- most of his activities seem to be confined to Australia.

This is interesting... Turnbull (despite being from the Liberal Party) seems to have significant links with the socialist labor party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Turnbull

"In 1987, Turnbull established an investment banking firm, Whitlam Turnbull & Co Ltd, in partnership with Neville Wran, the former Labor Premier of New South Wales, and Nicholas Whitlam, the former Chief Executive of the State Bank of New South Wales and the son of former Labor Prime Minister Gough Whitlam. ...
Turnbull left the firm he co-founded in 1997 to become a managing director of Goldman Sachs Australia, eventually becoming a partner in Goldman Sachs and Co. ... Turnbull appeared before the HIH Insurance royal commission to be questioned on Goldman Sachs's involvement.

I find that in order to make judgements on a field of expertise it's necessary to have a good framework to make judgements. The link below discusses political frameworks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum

I find the ideas of Mitchell interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum#Mitchell:_Eight_Ways_to_Run_the_Country

If Plantagenet had his way the Jungian's Archetype of society would be reduced to "The Lover".

http://www.lifecoachcode.com/2017/08/25/the-12-jungian-archetypes/

The Lover-

Type: Soul

Motto: “You’re the only one.”

Core desire: intimacy and experience;

Goal: being in a relationship with the people, work and surroundings they love;

Greatest fear: being alone, a wallflower, unwanted, unloved;

Strategy: to become more and more physically and emotionally attractive;

Weakness: outward-directed desire to please others at risk of losing own identity;

Talent: passion, gratitude, appreciation, and commitment;

Canem Malum,

You really need to give it a rest.

Seek professional help.

Because -

You're one sick, sick, bad dog.

You need to get your vomit under control old chap.

Here's a few more Jungian Archetype's see if you can match them to the OLO contributer... ;)

Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses- Jung tried to make people aware of their character(s)...

Most people have two to three main characters on Jung's Archetypal Wheel.

Sometimes it's helpful to attempt to view the world through a different lense.

Group 3: Yearn For Paradise
7. The Innocent

Type: Ego

Motto: “Free to be you and me.”

Core desire: to get to paradise;

Goal: to be happy;

Greatest fear: to be punished for doing something bad or wrong;

Strategy: to do things right;

Weakness: boring for all their naive innocence;

Talent: faith and optimism;

8. The Sage

Type: Self

Motto: “The truth will set you free.”

Core desire: to find the truth;

Goal: to use intelligence and analysis to understand the world;

Biggest fear: being duped, misled or ignorance;

Strategy: seeking out information and knowledge; self-reflection and understanding thought processes;

Weakness: can study details forever and never act;

Talent: wisdom, intelligence;

9. The Explorer

Type: Soul

Motto: “Don’t fence me in.”

Core desire: the freedom to find out who you are through exploring the world;

Goal: to experience a better, more authentic, more fulfilling life;

Biggest fear: getting trapped, conformity, and inner emptiness;

Strategy: journey, seeking out and experiencing new things, escape from boredom;

Weakness: aimless wandering, becoming a misfit;

Talent: autonomy, ambition, being true to one’s soul;

Then there is the type that makes foolish accusations based on no one knows what and ignores any reference to their own mistakes.

Trahebdum est in caput tuum.

Then we have the type (thank goodness) who fight AGAINST
irrational, inflexible attitudes rooted in
very rigid and stereotyped terms.

Yay for these fighters on this forum!

Issy, I hope to have a good one for you next week. As John Wayne said; or was it Daffy Duck; "Remember the Alamo!"

Is Mise,

in fide scientiam.

Late Ballots not verified as posted by a Citizen has been rejected by the Courts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cEvEdWLrd8&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=XU_lBasrwPMHVOTC%3A6

North Carolina has now been declared for Trump by 73,635 votes.

Biden has now won a total of 306 electoral votes
flipping 5 states in the process, and still rising.

Trump has only 232 electoral votes and has lost legal
challenges in Michigan and withdrawn in Arizona.

The truth of Democrats and their supporters:
http://www.facebook.com/DailyCaller/videos/823101844925254

Paul,

I wait with bated breath!!

Hi Josephus,

This might put Trumpf's humanity into perspective:

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/six-word-insult-that-saw-trump-lose-vital-state-of-arizona/news-story/4387e42c6b5e578c6cb6ac9eea0f82de

What a stinking turd of a man. But I suppose he's your stinking turd, you're stuck with him on your shoe.

Joe

loudmouth2,
Trump is just one member of the Republican Party who are held together by Policy. If you had watched the clip I last posted, it places several in the leadership of the Democratic Party who pose policy to the American People.
Because they have no feelings of guilt in murdering babies, they speak easily of murdering Republicans.

Josephus,

So, Trump's incompetence - which has caused maybe a couple of hundred thousand deaths from this virus (so far) means nothing to you ?

Joe

So you continue to believe the Media beat up and blame Trump for the Covid-19 deaths. Did he cause the deaths in Italy, Spain, France etc. People have personal responsibility for their health and States manage the Health system and lock down measures. Show how he was responsible for American deaths.

Among the 45 countries with more than 50,000 COVID-19 cases, the U.S. has the eighth-highest number of deaths per 100,000 people: 47.93 deaths from the coronavirus for every 100,000 Americans. Belgium has the highest per capita death rate: 86.3 deaths per 100,000.

http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/08/05/899365887/charts-how-the-u-s-ranks-on-covid-19-deaths-per-capita-and-by-case-count

Before arriving in the US, the virus spread through China and abroad
November: Various reports suggest that the first case arose in Wuhan, China, toward the end of 2019, though some reports point to cases in early December.
Dec. 30: Li Wenliang, an ophthalmologist at Wuhan Central Hospital, alerted physicians about the emergence of a SARS-like illness. He was later detained by police on charges of spreading rumors.

Dec. 31: The Wuhan Municipal Health Commission reported 27 cases of viral pneumonia.
Jan. 1: Wuhan officials closed down the Huanan seafood market, which is thought to be linked to the first group of cases.
Jan. 7: Chinese President Xi Jinping recognized the viral pneumonia internally during a meeting of China's highest council.
Jan. 11: China reported its first death.
Jan. 13: Thailand confirmed the first known case of the coronavirus outside China.
Jan. 14: Top Chinese officials determined they likely were facing a pandemic, according to internal documents obtained by The Associated Press. In the following days, Wuhan hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people.

http://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2020/04/21/coronavirus-updates-how-covid-19-unfolded-u-s-timeline/2990956001/

President Trump promoted Hydroxychloroquine which till recently was rejected by the Media as ineffective, because it was not a cure; but it was later shown as saving the lives of those that took it with zinc.
It is not clear how hydroxychloroquine works in inflammatory conditions; however it is thought to have an action on the immune system. In rheumatoid arthritis this action helps to reduce inflammation and thus reduce pain and swelling. It also limits damage to the joints and helps to prevent disability in the long term

Dear Josephus,

Why do you do this?

You are quoting August 5th figures. Since then the deaths per 100,000 have surged over 50% in the US and now sit at 74 bypassing Italy at 73.

You just don't seem to be able to not post this stuff which makes arguing against you so damn easy.

Just slow down and check your facts and figures before posting in the future. It might just save you some embarrassment.

COVID-19 death rates in the United States as of November 13, 2020, by state
Published by John Elflein, Nov 13, 2020
As of November 13, 2020, there have been over 242 thousand deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States. The death rate from COVID-19 in the state of New York is 175 per 100,000 people. New York is one of the states with the highest number of COVID-19 cases.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

Belgium From 1 to 7 November, an average number of 190.3 deaths occurred per day, up from the daily average of 165.6 the week before. The total number of deaths in the country since the beginning of the pandemic is currently 13,561.

Since the start of the pandemic, a total of over 5.3 million tests have been carried out. Of those tests, 38,400 were taken over the past week, with a positivity rate of 24.1%. This means that just under a quarter of the people who get tested receive a positive result.

American Truckers will strike when Biden is officially posted as President. http://www.facebook.com/mrctv/videos/840375930070736
Because he is going with Green new Deal. There were 30,000,000 ghost voters that are still to being verified as legitimate. More people turned out to vote in this election than in American History.

The US under Trump has reached the grim milestone of 250,000 dead from Covid-19, with 4,000,000 active case. Trumps only answer to this horrendous state of affairs is to play golf! WHAT A SICK DUD!

Proud Boy Jose'

They are sticking the corpses in refrigerated trucks, they have nowhere else to store them. What do you say to that?

But Paul, Trump says he doesn't support abortion on demand, but he is also against gun control.

Regarding gun control, you can believe him, because he panders to the NRAA, and very much appreciates their support, in voting and in fundraising.

But, regarding his views on abortion? Not much to see here. Very quiet.

Recall the tale of the fox giving a lift to a scorpion to cross a creek?
The scorpion couldn't resist his 'nature' - to the demise of both.
Trust Trump? In anything he says? Ethics? Morals? 'Nature'?

Judge not lest ye be judged?
Re abortion? Re response to Covid? Re Obamacare? Re gun control?
Re Syria? Re Israel? Re Taliban? Re allies, including the Kurds in the fight against ISIS? Re Russia and Belarus?

Trump - the Chameleon?
Appearance dependent on background and potential personal gain?

Hi Saltpetre,

I think that Trumpf will pull all US troops out of Afghanistan, not for any ideological reason, merely for spite, and abandon it to the Taliban. I would anticipate that after a period of brutal massacres, Iran and China would invade it from their respective sides and brutally massacre the Taliban. Live by the sword, etc.

Trumpf will do what he can to dismantle or hinder Obamacare, the sort of health care that we take for granted, but ratbags call 'communist'. He will take all credit for any vaccines, and pass responsibilities for any problems onto Biden. He is, after all, a stinking turd of a human being. I hope that Biden has time to clear out the Trumpf Swampf, four years may not be enough.

Joe

loudmouth2,

Biden will not last two years, as Kamala will rise to take his place. The Communist arm of BLM are already circling around Biden, claiming their money gave him the Presidency, so he must listen to their demands, otherwise they will continue the burnings. http://townhall.com/columnists/christalgo/2020/11/14/blm-to-biden-we-want-something-for-our-vote-n2579984

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/12/blm-to-biden-black-people-won-this-election-we-want-something-for-our-vote-995494

Josephus,

Your so full of s - t
I bet your eyes are brown!

cont'd ...

The commies are rubbing their hands together
that Trump is destroying America.

There is a precedent set in the Election of Thomas Jefferson, in that the Electoral College did not decide the President, as he failed to gain the majority votes. It will be decided by the House, when the leading Candidate does not gain the 272 College Votes. If Biden does not gain the 272 College Votes after all votes are verified as Legal by the Courts, then it will go to the House for a Vote. The House is currently held by the Republicans.

Josephus,

Sorry to burst your boil, but the Democrats have the majority in the US House of Representatives. And if you add both houses of Congress together, they still do.

Joe

loudmouth2, It is not my bubble, This is the opinion of a Constitutional Lawyer.

Professor Josephus

You are piddling up the wrong tree, old chap.

Joseph Stalin and Mao WERE Communism.

Nothing to do with moderate, centrist, Democrat leaders who, in any case, need the support of sensible Americans, like you.

Dear Josephus,

You claim: "The House is currently held by the Republicans."

No it isn't and if your so called constitutional lawyer said otherwise he is a fraud. Where on earth do you keep pulling these people from. I have told you just yesterday to check what you post but it seems you have failed to heed my advice. Please make a little bit of an effort for your sake. You look idiotic when you post this rubbish.

Nero played the fiddle while Rome burned. Trump plays golf while Americans die. Trump the modern day Nero!

This seems to go against all the Dems have been saying about President Trumps effect on the poor and lower classes in America. An extra 10 million people voted for President Trump this time than 4 years ago. However it appears that an extra 20 million voted for Biden from the Middle class, based in Media opinion.
The 2020 presidential election results split along several lines: Democrat vs. Republican, educated vs. working class, and town vs. country. By and large, though, the surprisingly close final vote tally broke down along social class: the wealthiest parts of the country overwhelmingly voted for Biden and the poorest overwhelmingly for Trump. http://www.msn.com/.../how-the-2020-election.../ar-BB1b0Sms

Josephus,

What a load of crap. It's the rich that support Trump.
He gives them tax cuts and many other perks. The poor
get zilch! No national health scheme, no basic wage
increases. They get police violence, covid, come on
buster - keep blowing it out of your arse!

cont'd ...

Only the crazies in America support Trump!
And they still can't manage to get the man
re-elected - there's not enough of them!
YAY!

Foxy,

You should check your facts before rubbishing someone else's post. The fact that Trump attracts most of the working-class voters is a point of concern raised by Tristan Ewans in a separate thread.

The reason that working classes are abandoning the Labour movements in the USA, UK and Aus is a matter of record.

The new "Socialists Left" leader in Canada Erin O'Toole in a recent speech highlighted the need for the party to attract voters among the country's working class and lower middle class who've drifted away from the left. Mr O'Toole said the income imbalance in Canada needed to be address, he pointed out that declining union membership has been bad for Canada, because unions were an essential part of the balance between what's good for business and what's good for workers. Mr O'Toole criticised the decision of former governments to send manufacturing jobs overseas, saying even though it's cheaper to outsource jobs to China it's done too much damage to working-class Canadians.

Hi Foxy,

Trump could have won the election easily, unfortunately for him, only 70 million of his rednecked racists supporter base bothered to turn out to vote, the other 30 million stayed at home. Where have all our sycophantic Trumpets gone, seemed to have disappeared. Shonkyminister is still regurgitating garbage he reads in the Murdoch gutter press. Proud Boy Jose' is raving "Wez waz robbed!, Donald won" can't come to terms with the fact Dangerous Doctor Donald has been flushed down the sewer with the rest of the crap. ttbn, mhaze, runner, Hassy, Indy, Issy don't have much to say, still getting over the shock, the Messiah didn't rise in 3 days as expected. .

Hi Paul,

It will take a long time for America to get
over Trump. His current behaviour is very
sad and reflects badly on what America is
supposed to stand for. Hopefully the new
president-elect will be able to get to work
sooner rather than later. He's got quite a job
in front of him.

I wish him luck.

I think the FBI should be conducting an investigation into the post-election activities of Trump and his stalwart Republican politicians on matters of attempting to incite rebellion and usurp the Presidency.

The lot of them might end up being arraigned on charges of treason and face the death penalty.

I bet Trump's supporters will drop off quickly if they see that coming their way.

Why don't the US federal agencies just take
Trump out - after all they're supposed to be
protecting the country. Surely Trump could
run to Russia and live there quite comfortably -
in Barvikha, Russia. Other despots have escaped
to that place.

Hi Foxy

Unfortunately US authorities abide by the laws saying Trump is POTUS until noon 20th January 2021.

Trump $400 million in debt (mainly to Russia) will be a liabity to Russia after the 20th.

But meantime Russia is benefitting from Trump's all out actions to sack as many US military, intelligence and security bosses http://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/us/politics/esper-defense-secretary.html as possible.

Trump is also trying a rapid withdrawal of half the US troops from Afghanistan - to create a power vacuum - that Russian influence will fill.

BTW any doubts Melania will leave Trump before mid 2021 ie. before Trump's debts all called in?

Pete

plantagenet,

Of course she will leave him.

If you were her would you want to be stuck with a loser for the rest of your life?

Swamp donkey,

So that's why you are alone.

Dear Pete,

Expect the unexpected as far as Trump is concerned.
I can't see Melania lasting the distance once Trump
is no longer President. She like Trump's other wives
will end up being well taken care of financially. She
may even write a book or make a movie.

shadyminister,

My God your quick witted!

I can't wait to see your next comment.

I hope it's as good as that one.

Short, sharp and accurate.

As of yesterday 19th of November they were still finding votes and in Michigan the votes were more than the number of residents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7S5PoQqFpU&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=vM7tEJbly5tCHiOK%3A6

http://weatherinternal.com/michigan-witness-and-former-state-senator-witnessed-early-morning-ballot-dump-of-61-boxes-at-tcf-center-video/

So it is not finished yet, there has been glitches in the Dominion software used in the Election, as in the democrat preselection it was found that votes were switched 300+ for one candidate to 55,000 for another.

Dominion Voting machines were overseen by their IT supervisors, who witnessed discrepancies in Detroit.
ttp://trendingpolitics.com/detroit-dominion-it-worker-describes-exactly-how-poll-workers-inflated-biden-vote-tallies-video/?fbclid=IwAR3T6XIvr2kR5Tjor5pDJjvc_iMno8y7-e_AS2-Ecp-dlXgMPZBBXi1sSDU

Proud Boy Jose' give it a rest.

The result in Georgia has confirmed Joe Biden as winning the election in a landslide (Trumps words). This nonsense of questioning the result without evidence is ridiculous. Your argument is melting like Rudy Giuliani hair. Trump is punishing Americans for their disloyalty by refusing to do anything about the pandemic, seems his attitude is let the bastards die!

Hi Paul,

I suspect that the Republicans will come up with a cunning plan. As Baldrick Giuliani has asserted, the entire US electoral management system may have come under the complete control of Democrats and communists without anybody noticing, in a 100 % perfect and 100 % secret operation.

What I love about conspiracy theories is that they depend on 100 % ability on the part of conspirators. In one recent case, Venezuelans (i.e. a couple of people born in Venezuela, and therefore supporters of Chavez) devised one type of vote-counting system, and one of them worked for an organisation associated with George Soros ! Well, there you go ! A perfect conspiracy ! And maybe for Bill Gates as well ! As we all know, Soros is a Jew, so maybe Gates is too ! And we all know how conspiratorial Jews can be.

Yes, I DO think it can get as vicious and mindless and paranoid as that. I'll have to re-read Canetti's 'Crowds and Power' and Murray's 'The Madness of Crowds'.

Frankly, I wouldn't mind if all votes in every county and State were re-counted, with scrutineers - as usual - leaning over the shoulders of every operative, checking each vote on a note-pad. Get this thing over with and proceed with inaugurating Biden on January 20th.

Joe

Votes still being found on thumb drives from counties not counted. There are 158 counties in Georgia.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOJhdOLAgrk&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=bL2Cp6Bsij6P4XQo%3A6

Josephus,

Or do you mean, the recording of votes put later on a thumb-drive ? No electoral system would be dopey enough to use such a ridiculous method. I'm not even sure how it could possibly work on its own.

Move on. Your mob blew it. End of.

Joe

COUNTIES IN MICHIGAN WITH VOTER REGISTRATION IN EXCESS OF 100% OF POPULATION. AND THEY SAY THE ELECTION IS SETTLED. IS THIS FRAUD?
Michigan:
Leelanau County (119 %); Otsego County (118 %); Antrim County (116 %); Kalkaska County (115 %); Emmet County (114 %); Berrien County (114 %); Keweenaw County (114 %) (114 %); Benzie County (113 %); Washtenaw County (113 %); Mackinac County (112 %); Dickinson County (112 %); Roscommon County (112 %); Charlevoix County (112 %); Grand Traverse County (111 %); Oakland County (110 %); Iron County (110 %); Monroe County (109 %); Genesee County (109 %)? ); Ontonagon County (109 %); Gogebic County (109 %); Livingston County (109 %); Alcona County (108 %); Cass County (108 %); Allegan County (108 %); Oceana County (107 %); Midland County (107 %); Kent County (107 %); Montmorency County (107 %); Van Buren County (107 %); Wayne County (107 %); Schoolcraft County (107 %); Mason County (107 % (107 %); Oscoda County (107 %); Iosco County (107 %); Wexford County (106 %); Presque Isle County (106 %); Delta County (106 %); Alpena County (106 %) 106 %); St Clair County (106 %); Cheboygan County (105 %); Newaygo County (105 %); Barry County (105 %); Gladwin County (105 %); Menominee County (105 %); Menominee County (105 %); Crawford County (105 %); Muskegon County (105 %); Kalamazoo County ( 104 %); St. Joseph County (104 %); Ottawa County (103 %); Clinton County (103 %); Saginaw County (103 %); Manistee County (103 %); Lapeer County (103 %); Calhoun County (103 %); Cal (103 %); Ogemaw County (103 %); Macomb County (103 %); Missaukee County (102 %); Eaton County (102 %); Shiawassee County (102 %); Huron County (102 %); Lenawee County (101 %); Branch County (101 %); Osceola County (101 %); Clare County (100 %); Arenac County (100 %); Bay County (100 %); Lake County (100 %)

Josephus,

Voter registration in excess of what population ? Of the entire adult population of each county ? And is it possible that unregistered people could actually register at the polling station, provided they provided all necessary documentation ? All quite legal ? Applicable in rural as well as urban areas ?

All of the adult population in each county ? A bit useless without actual populations and vote counts of each county. Provide that and we'll give it the time of day.

Otherwise move on.

Joe

Hi Joe,

From what I understand the American system is far more secure than our Australian system. Here, I could vote for you, just rock up at the polling station and declare myself to be you, if you wanted me to.

This might be a bit of a story, Mum claimed that her Father was the returning officer at their small bush school, did it every election. He was also a stanch Country Party man. The voting being in those days 8am to 8pm. Around 8pm if some of the local cow cockies hadn't made it in to vote Grandad just crossed their name off and filled in a ballot paper for them, didn't want his mates fined, it was about 20 quid in those day, a lot of money. Country Party votes of course, but they were all CP voters anyway. Then he'd ring from the post office the count; Country Party 39 votes, Labor candidate nil. Something like that.

The Old man copped a fine one year when they cut the closing time to 6pm. He set off to vote early, calling into the pub on the way. Thinking he had plenty of time to vote, about 7 o'clock he headed from the pub to the school to vote, the school was all locked up. The old man was fined for not voting. Mum said; "Teach you a lesson, the pubs more important than voting, so you think!"

For four years the Democrats could not accept Donald Trump as President and tried every lie in their book to have him impeached. Do you think he can accept the Media result of the Election, without a legal battle to verify his position. He has had to fight the Media, the Democrats and Covid-19 to keep his position. Note he claimed a vaccine before Christmas 2020 and now the media do not attribute this achievement to him, just the deaths.

Josephus,

Yeah, whatev.

I wonder how Trumpf would have gone as captain of the 'Titanic' ? In my tiny mind, I can't distinguish between the the 'Titanic' film and the 'King Kong' film - I imagine Trumpf rampaging alone on the ship as it is about to up-end and sink beneath the waves, as he throws furniture overboard, sets fire to life-boats, throws his waste at crew-members, locks others in their cabins, seizes the prettiest girl and retires to the stern of the ship with her, as the helicopters buzz him.

What a worthless piece of rubbish he is, and will be remembered as.

Josephus, you made me laugh: so Trumpf, claiming all manner of achievements, single-handedly discovered the cure for this virus which his inaction has caused to have had such a devastating impact - what, in his White House basement - and is now secretly directing its manufacture by the billions by Christmas ? Isn't it in the nature of blowhards to make all sorts of empty claims, including lies ? This one had nothing to do with him, but don't let that stop you.

Joe

Hey Joe(lm2)

Don't be too hard on Josephus, he's had a hard week - like Hitler in his Berlin bunker.

But GOOD NEWS!

We can all enjoy the Trump Campaign's failures since Friday in:

- GEORGIA http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-20/georgia-called-for-joe-biden-after-recount-us-election/12904184

and

- MICHIGAN http://7news.com.au/politics/election/legislators-wont-change-michigan-results-c-1622895

and today, in

- PENNSYLVANIA http://www.9news.com.au/world/us-election-2020-judge-dismisses-trump-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania/8dcf6e2a-54d5-46a6-9535-0793636c1967

But Hey!

Trump is siccing his higly overpaid lawyers onto honest, accurate, legal Vote counts overseen by THE HONEST REPUBLICANS.

This is while 250,000 Americans have died in America's worst HEALTH CRISIS.

While TRUMP heroically and SELFLESSLY leads America, by playing___________GOLF.

In his four years in the White House Trump has played GOLF on 303 days. He claimed when elected in 2016 he would be too bust to have time to play GOLF. Since everything has been rather hunky-dory in America during the Trump presidency, nothing of note has landed in his lap, Trump has managed to squeeze in a round or two of GOLF! Trump doesn't play GOLF with real people, preferring to play with lackey's, flunkies and sycophants. Like in all aspects of his life Trump also likes to cheat at GOLF, fudging his score card at every opportunity to make him the "winner". Like all good lackey's, flunkies and sycophants no one questions his cheating. Like with the election, should Trump be having an absolute crap round of GOLF, he simply calls the game off and declares himself the "winner"!