My own observations showed me that those those bleating racism are in fact the racists !

Dear david f,
My personal observations over many years of working & socialising with people far more educated than I could ever be are thus;
Education without the brains to have common sense was/is a recipé for the disaster we're experiencing now.
Educated people with no common sense are governed by ego. Those who have all the ingredients are in fact those whom we hardly ever hear of. They're professionals, researchers, engineers etc.
The former are mainly & en-masse in the Public Service where their qualifications only matter on one occasion, during the job interview !
I think the free (higher) education was terribly wrong as it loaded or rather burdened our society with people who are not contributing as much as they take ! This dreadful situation was never in the sights for remedy as it was propped up precariously by the threat of the Domino effect. It is biting us in the back-sides right now !

Dear individual,

I think free higher education is great. We disagree on that and disagree on so many other things that I feel further discussion is pointless.

To David F and Individual-

Prior to the 1860's engineering skills were developed under apprenticeship on railway engines.

Apparently university engineering courses have evolved from the 1860's to the 1980's with increasing theory and decreasing lab time- now the view is that graduating engineers have inadequate experience and senior technicians and machinists and draftsmen are now perhaps better qualified for engineering jobs.

Perhaps the same can be said for university liberal arts courses and their role as creating leaders of society in the "art of learning to be free".

This seems to support Individual's view of the value that university graduates provide to society.

However I do empathize with David F in his view- even though I believe it is incorrect.

To me the issue comes down to loyalty of universities to their culture and nation that pays and supports them in favor of universalism.

Universities are not loyal- they need a broom.

I think free higher education is great.
david f,
So do I & I'm all for it however, educating the not so bright at great expense with no potential in sight is stupid !

All the politicians that the Leftists abhor are educated also ! So, still a good thing to educate anyone for free ?
Who has the most to gain by that system ? The lectures of course ! And, who has to suffer these educated fools ? Us, the taxpayers !