The one and only US Vice Presidential Debate will be broadcast on SBS TV, Thursday 12noon-1.30pm, our (Australian Eastern) time, 8th October.

It will pit Pence’s years of mature Vice Presidential experience against Kamala Harris’ skills as a prosecuting lawyer and State politician.

The debate will be 90 minutes long, divided into 9 segments of 10 minutes, chosen by the moderator, Susan Page (of "USA Today").

Due to rising Debate Covid worries the candidates will be separated by plexiglass.

If it runs similar to the 2016 VP Debate http://youtu.be/LZpHW4DYcu4 Pence will be comparatively considerate.

Based on this 2019 Democrat Debate segment http://youtu.be/J1OvDB_wavI Harris will be incisive, on the attack.

The debate will be followed on SBS by a quick analysis of debate performance.

Thanks Pete for keeping us in the loop.

Once again I am looking forward to a debate except
that surely this time - I trust that we shall see
more policies and less insults.

Anyway, fingers-crossed for this one.

My pleasure Foxy

Yeah, I think or hope, Pence sticks to policies - although, as ever, his strings are being pulled by his Boss.

Kamala Harris is likely to pull the Trump'n'Pence rug - as a future President should.

Cheers

Pete

Hi Pete,

From what I've read it seems that they're going to have
plexiglass separating the candidates this time round.

And whether the second presidential debate is to go
ahead on 15th October depends on Trump's health.
There's talk of it being a "virtual" one.
I wonder if Trump will agree to that?

Hi Foxy

Yeah I mentioned "plexiglass" in the opening post of this thread.

Plexiglass should make it easier to isolate interrupting candidates in switch off the mike scenarios for the VP debate and remaining Presidential debates.

Whether a moderator would dare switch off the mike of a POTUS (serial offender Trump) remains to be seen.

The Trumpit may be forced to hold a "virtual" one, from his sickbed, IF he really has Covid.

But "virtual" would do the whole World a favour because it'll make it easier to switch Trump off.

Pete

I don't think these debates achieve much, albeit it may influence a small minority not tied to republicans or democrats.

I am sure a lot will salivate at the grandeur of the democrat candidate, as they tend to be the most articulate of bs artists.

We should not under-estimate the Vice Presidential
debates. Millions will be watching. And I certainly
would not under estimate Mike Pence. He's pretty
familiar with policy and facts. I believe that he's
going to deliver a solid performance over 90 minutes.
Pence will keep to the issues - he's very civil. He won't
be into name-calling. He's not misogynistic or racist.
He doesn't see the Vice Presidential debate as an -
Asian-Jamaican woman versus a white guy.

He has a good chance to prevail - and win. He after all
has more experience in politics than Kamala Harris.

Foxy, feel free to not underestimate it.

I am sure you will be enthralled

Kamala will not exactly pass the "Proud Boy Test" of OLO's white supremacist males. She's:

- a woman

- half African-American, half South Asian-American

- a self-made woman

- highly educated, with the equivalent of a PhD in Law

- she has supported some progressive causes-laws.

All quite threatening, for some men.

More see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

No doubt Harris will say the things the left love to hear; they always do.

But, in the case of Democrat supporters,I would not be confident they will do much given policy trends in recent decades.

The US is a very tough political environment; much tougher than ours with immense cleavages between Democrat and Republican supporters.

We simply do not have the same cleavages here. And I am thankful for that.

Having said that, I would be voting Democrat in 2020 pending a hope that they would continue to fight against the CCP.

Chris Lewis,

The Chinese are your Asian brothers/sisters irrespective of their political stance.

You seem to be having trouble accepting your Asianess that our politicians, bureaucrats and business people have worked so hard to bring you during the Great Asianization Period (1980-2020) in Australian history.

The Asianization of Australia (aka Australian Multiculturalism) aimed to integrate us into Asia and give us a population that mirrored that of the Asian continent and in the not too distant future Australia will become an extension of China.

You just have to change your attitude if you want us to accept you as Asian.

Have a chat with Foxy and FOULmouth. I'm sure they can steer you in the right direction.

MR O, I do find you humorous sometimes, but you sound like a broken record.

Please don't involve me.

MO,

How about 'Indonesia Forever'?
Just to be neighbourly.

Irian Jaya (West Papua) needs some 'investment'.
It's only newly 'Indonesian' of course, but with promise?
(Belt and Road may be lurking in the wings?)

Go Kamala! She gets it.

Trump is even making capital out of his personal dealing with the China virus. Wow! What a man! Poor old Joe doesn't stand a chance.

Dear Chris,

While I appreciate your telling me:

"Feel free to not underestimate it (the debate).
I'm sure you will be enthralled".

It's the possibility of having a wish come true
that makes these political debates interesting,

ttbn,

Trump only ever does what suits only him.
And if it means infecting other people -
that's not his problem or concern.
Wow what a man? Should translate to -
Wow, what a leader?

For more on the effects gained by the CCP with their virus: Other than the Brits, Australians are perhaps more irrationally fear-stricken than the citizens of any other nation. A survey prepared by CT Group in September found a staggering two-thirds of Australians believe they are going through a “second wave” of infections — the highest out of all of the surveyed countries which include the US, UK, India, Hong Kong, and the UAE.

When UK's Beefy Boris copped the China virus, he went to ICU and came out bleating and scaring the Brits even more. More lockdowns. More infections in a "second wave".

Whereas, the man so hated by the ignorant, Donald Trump, turned his own experience into a positive vote-getter.

Trump says one thing.

His doctors say another.

The misinformed believe Trump.

That won't make "America Great Again".

Hi ttbn, etc

Oh yee of little historical knowledge..

Have you chaps forgotten that:

- a Democrat President, abbreviated FDR, fought half of World War Two against an Asian power, Japan. The Democrat, FDR, did more than any Republican to beat Japan.

- His Democrat Presidential successor, Harry S. Truman, finished off Japan and then fought the latter part of the Korean War, forcing the invading CCP

Chinese troops out of the Korean Peninsula.

- Truman's Secretary of State, General Marshall then started a Europe wide economic Plan that held the Russians back from further gains in Europe. Truman's army and airforce also kept the Russians back.

Now your TRUMP is welcoming Russian advances whenever possible, because they pay him.

When Pence Vice-Presidentialy debates Harris

on SBS TV, tomorrow Thursday 12noon-1.30pm, Australian Eastern time, 8th October

Poor Pence has no chance.

Pence, that mute robot in the background during Trump's speeches, has been left rudderless without Trump's micro-management.
______________________

Trump, who's Covid has disappeared him for more than 24 hours, remains in ICU at the White House Hospital.

Will Trump live after catching Covid?

Or will Covid fall deeper into his pre-existing Locomotion, asks Kylie http://youtu.be/POWsFzSFLCE

Trump, the "Health Expert's", magic Corona cures come back to haunt http://youtu.be/DPDPzbLFeP4

The moderator for the Vice President's debate today is Susan Page, she is also writing the biography of Nancy Pelosi. So will the moderator be biased?

maybe, but first moderator, me think, was from Fox News.

I thought he did a reasonable job give what he had to face

Josephus,

If I was a betting man (which I am of course) I would bet the house on YES.

The Trump curse, visited on Americans since 2016, has bred such social division and violence

that it is inevitable no thinking moderator could be beyond pro-Democrat conscience.

Donald Trump has now been symptom-free for four days, and tests indicate that he has developed China virus antibodies. Move aside, Superman; the world now has a real live superhero.

ttbn,

It takes 6 weeks to recover from COVID-19.

Trump did it in 3 days.

The guy's an absolute genius! How did he do it?

A real live superhero?

Tell that to the 215,000 plus dead and their families.
To his staff and all the other people he's infected.

And despite what he says - his doctors say he's not out
of the woods yet.

This man is going to end up on the dung heap of history.
Superhero? In his own mind, and those of the misinformed.

THE DEBATE IS JUST STARTING

Pence, is way better than Trump, so has a chance to "win" the debate.

MO,

How did the Trumpster do it?

He obviously received antibody-active plasma transfusions courtesy of his super-duper world-class super-hero medical team of course.

Trump - super hero?

Not a chance.

(Now, if Joe Biden could get some of the same? Whoosh! Giant Killer!)

Now, if Trump had offered the same level of service to the poor old rest of the mob?
Joe would have.

Trump? He's the Man - of Me, Myself, I, persuasion!
Lovely, tell your mother.

Foxy,

It takes 6 WEEKS to recover from COVID-19.

Get it? He was never infected.

I think what happened is that someone in the White House did get it and protocol dictated that the President be immediately hospitalised and thoroughly tested and keep under a doctor's eye for at least 3 days before allowing him to continue to work.

To me that makes more sense than claiming Trump is some sort of superhero with miraculous recovery powers.

Next we will have people with all sorts of illnesses queuing up for miles to be touched by him. Can't you see it: Saint Donald of the Immaculate WuFlu.

Foxy,
You are assuming all infection came from Trump when Trump caught it from someone else.

One feels sorry for stony faced Pence having to protect a Boss who is personally $400 million in debt.

Trump without Putin's loans!

Trump at Putin's bidding?

This is showing how civil, mature and watchable a Debate can be

when Trump, the immature, interrupting Bully, is not in the room.

I think the VC is a decent man

sorry VP

Yes he is, even if I disagree with some of his values.

Senator Harris is equally decent.

Well, Kamala just went a long way to losing the election for Joe:

Kamala played the 'race card'.
It's unfortunately all down hill from here.

A pity. I'm afraid Kamala has demonstrated she is just not up to the job.

Oh, well, maybe Trump's crimes against the people will be enough to pull Joe over the line.

Mike Pence defended the Presidency much better
than his boss ever did.

Kamala Harris won points on her coronavirus
questions and healthcare.

There were questions that both avoided answering.
However- at least this time we did get issues
discussed.

Who won?

The jury's still out on that one.

I quite liked Mike Pence. Too bad he's attached to the
buffoon

Foxy I see you constantly blame Trump for the Covid-19 deaths of 200,000 Americans. Fact is without the deaths in California America moves from 10th per capita to 47th in the World for deaths per capita. Joe Biden and the Californian Mayor said Trump was China-phobic for closing the Borders to Chinese travellers. When the Mayor was saying go out to Chinese restaurants and hug a Chinese. Covid-19 was spread through the American community to California from visitors from Wuhan China. The Democrats would not have closed the Borders if they were in power. The Democrats refused proper border protection and welcomed those crossing the borders.

America will reap the results of the seeds they have sown over the last 20 years, in this coming election. America is in a spiritually sick state as they have moved away from divine principles of family and value of life. Making criminals and those taking life hero's and the law abiding evil.

HARRIS WINS :)

CNN Reports http://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/07/politics/mike-pence-kamala-harris-vice-presidential-debate-poll/index.html

"Post-debate CNN poll: Harris seen as winner in a contest that matched expectations"

More Americans said Sen. Kamala Harris did the best job in the vice presidential debate Wednesday night, according to a CNN Instant Poll of registered voters who watched. About 6 in 10 (59%) said Harris won, while 38% said Vice President Mike Pence had the better night...

Harris did improve her favorability rating among those who watched, according to the poll, while for Pence, the debate was a wash. In pre-debate interviews, 56% said they had a positive view of Harris. that rose to 63% after the debate. For Pence, his favorability stood at 41% in both pre- and post-debate interviews.

Harris' numbers went up among men (from 49% favorable before to 56% afterward) and women (from 63% favorable before to 70% post-debate), and she even boosted her favorability rating among Trump supporters (from 4% favorable pre-debate to 12% after).

Pence's numbers held steady among men and women (50% of men had a favorable view in both pre- and post-debate interviews, among women it was 33% pre-debate and 32% after).

As after the first presidential debate, though, most voters who watched said Wednesday's event hasn't changed their minds about whom to support. Overall, 55% say it had no effect on how they are likely to vote, while those who did choose a side tilted narrowly toward Joe Biden.

Both vice presidential candidates are broadly seen as qualified to be president...

Most debate watchers said Harris did the better job defending her running mate (64% Harris to 34% Pence), that she seemed more focused on uniting the country (62% to 34%), was more in touch with the needs and problems of people like you (61% to 38%) and that she expressed her views more clearly (57% to 39%).

Most said Pence spent more time attacking his opponent (56%) than thought the same of Harris (36%)..."

The lesson so far with these debates is that the moderator needs a shut-off button, with contestants ideally each enclosed in plastic bubbles. I was a bit appalled at how Pence tried to stand over Harris by speaking over both her and the moderator. As Trumpf's lap-dog, he did a loyal job.

Harris seeme3d to wander off-script at times, but I expect she'll do far better in future contests.

27 days to go. Oh, how slowly they go :(

Hi Joe, with all this virus and yelling etc, would they not be better off to use Control's, 'Cone of Silence'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWtPPWi6OMQ&ab_channel=CarlJones

Foxy,
you'd better take another long break, you're losing it again !

cant wait for US election day.

Nearly as exciting as the AFL and NRL finals

Dear Josephus,

What I am critical of is the US President's down
playing the corona virus, not telling his voters
the truth, and not adhering and encouraging the
safety precautions that the voters should be
taking. And I am not the only one criticizing
the man for that. Even his own doctors are
critical.

Individual,

You are in no position to accuse anyone of "Losing
it" - when you never got "it" in the first place.
And still don't get it!
(smile).

"The vice-presidential debate was a reminder of what politics was like before Donald Trump was elected. It was calm, focused, policy-driven and, at times, even polite.

...In short, it was an actual debate between two adults who presented themselves as what used to be regarded as presidential.

Mike Pence did a sterling job with the cards he was dealt.

If he wasn't defending what the editors of the New England Journal of Medicine have today described as the "dangerously incompetent" US response to the coronavirus, he might have emerged the clear winner.

As things currently stand though, he lost.

Firstly, because there was no big moment that would change the course of a Republican campaign that increasingly appears to be going completely off the rails.

Secondly, because many people watching were reminded of the relative serenity of politics without Donald Trump in charge.

The day after the debate, Trump did a phone interview with Fox Business in which he called the first black woman with a shot at the vice-presidency a "monster"...

The question is whether Americans, who firmly rejected "politics as usual" by electing him in the first place, are ready to return to something resembling life before Trump.

With less than four weeks until polling day, the answer seems to be a resounding "yes".

The political fallout of Trump's diagnosis continues

To many observers, Donald Trump looks like a president spiralling out of control and headed for an historic election thumping.

During his stint in hospital with COVID-19, he claimed he had learned a lot about coronavirus.

Minutes later, he effectively ordered his security detail into a hermetically sealed car so he could do a drive-by for the 100 or so enthusiastic supporters gathered outside the hospital.

Since being discharged from hospital, [Trump] claimed that being infected with COVID-19 was a "blessing from God".

He claimed the experimental, but promising, treatment he received was as good as a "cure", perhaps not realising the antibody cocktail was developed with cells originally derived from fetal tissue, a practice considered abhorrent to much of his base...."

MORE AT http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/mike-pence-debate-performance-didnt-help-donald-trump/12743598

Mike Pence had to defend existing policy against Media lies which Kamala Harris constantly brought up against Trump. If you watch CNN and SBS, and ABC you will get a Democrat biased reporting.

Most people might like Kamala because of her personality appeal, but you need to know her policies. Governments run on personalities are due to fail, Governments run on policy build a Great Nation.

http://www.thecut.com/article/kamala-harris-views-and-policies-a-full-guide.html

http://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18679408/kamala-harris-2020-presidential-campaign-policies

Her Energy proposal will create massive unemployment in the fossil fuel industries which has built America.

Josephus,
>Her Energy proposal will create massive unemployment in the fossil fuel industries which has built America.
Technology will do that anyway, and most people agree that disruption like this is good for the economy overall. Her policies would speed up the process, which is no bad thing economically, and would bring even greater benefit environmentally.

Unfortunately that is unlikely to be of any consequence, as she's now running on Biden's policies rather than her own.

Dear Josephus,

I could not agree more that governments built on
policy create a great nation. Governments built
on showmanship and personality might be entertaining
for a while, but they do not build a great nation
especially when division and derision is thrown into
the mix.

BTW - President Trump has had a deregulatory agenda
which has extended into the laws that protect the United
States Nation's air and water. And according to the
Brookings Institute there have been 74 actions that the
Trump administration has taken to weaken environmental
protection.

In addition to deregulatory actions by the Trump
administration to support the fossil fuel industry, the
US nation's core environmental laws that ensure clean air
and water and protect sensitive lands are also a focus
of regulatory tollback.

Joe Biden proposes a different course for environmental
protection with addressing climate change as a central
part of his platform. He has established an ambigious
goal of net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
Achieving this goal would require reversing the current
course of rolling back regulation, along with new
legislation.

I guess it all depends on what's important more important
and the kind of country and society one wants to live in.

Harris presented a stark contrast for the future of America. We heard from the woman who could REALLY run the White House if Joe Biden wins.

She's the same former Democratic presidential candidate on record wanting to eliminate the Electoral College, increase access to abortion, and expand gun control.

Foxy,

I see you have developed an interest in environmental sociology.

Good to see. Keep it up.

"increase access to abortion, and expand gun control."

Good

Lies told by Kamila.
http://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=660916971092646

plantagenet, so you support full Term abortions and live deliveries murdered for body parts, as practised by planned Parenthood. I thought as much you are demonic.

Gidday Josephus

Nope.

TRUMP'S GRANDFATHER DIED OF SPANISH FLU

While Trump claims he is a winner, who has heroically beaten his Covid, Trump has neglected to say his grandfather died from an earlier pandemic. Another virus like Trump's "mild flu"?

"on May 29, 1918, while walking [Donald's Grandfather, Frederick] Trump suddenly felt extremely sick and was rushed to bed. The next day, he was dead. What was first diagnosed as pneumonia turned out to be one of the early cases of the Spanish flu" see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump#Later_life_and_death

Trump has concealed the fact that mortal blood flows through his winning Super Trump body.

plantagenet,

Are you aware that Frederick Trump founded the family business enterprise, building the best little whore house in the Yukon during the goldrush?

Hi Mr Opinion

Yep. I was.

Like Grandad, like Grandson.

Donald Trump carries on the proud family tradition by owning/owned Casinos, which are heavily populated by "rich men" in heavy debt like Donald and biddable "ladies of late nights".

But the Donald is not actually a Mafioso, this side of November 3rd, although he has all the outside signs, behaviors and low morals.

Cheers

TRUMP ANNOUNCES FINAL CAMPAIGN BRIEFING

Sad downfall of an American Leader http://youtu.be/71MPsqS7tCk

plantagent, you are accusing the wrong side, of being friends with Hitler. Trump has strong attachment to Israel and condemns Muslim countries that were friends with Hitler against Israel. Biden wants to cosy up to Iran, the enemy of Israel. Biden does this to ensure the Muslim votes.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/09/biden-vows-to-return-us-to-iran-nuclear-deal

http://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/bidens-promise-to-restore-the-iran-deal-would-be-a-disaster-in-waiting/

Dear Josephus,

Biden is and alwsys has been a friend of Israel.
Your giving us two links to extremist sites which
does your credibility damage.

Jihad Watch is an anti-Muslim conspiracy website
that receives funding from donors supporting the
Israeli right. It's notoriously Islamophobic.

The Federalist is an American hard-right conservative
mag. Poor show all round.

cont'd ...

Are you an American living in Oz?

If so, why don't you go back and support
your president - he needs you?

Kamala Harris is loosing the Black vote:'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfp_IIdVnXs&feature=emb_title

Kamala Harris is losing the Black vote?

But is Trump getting it?

Black voters are as varied as the White.
And there are also generation gaps in
how people vote. The main thing that
matters is at the ballot box - and for
that we have to wait and see.

Well said Foxy

Re your question on "Josephus", who has another real name.

He lives in Arizona, USA, and is the designated American Fascists International

Internet "Missionary" covering Australia for Trump's reelection and for such US extremist

causes as Australia relaxing its Gun Laws (for the sale of US guns) and Prohibiting Abortion.

In some respects he follows the Islamic State modus operandi of trying to use persuasive online methods.

In J's case he attempts to sway a Forum audience in which SOME commenter Participants

are vulnerable to swinging to Extreme Right causes.

Well, I for one won't be looking at Josephus the same way any more.

I thought he was just a nice Jewish boy from the Bronx.

I think I'll just have to call him PSEUDO-Josephus from now on.

TRUMP MAY WIN, IF HIS SWING STATE CAMPAIGHNING IS SUCCESSFUL

Trump is risking his Covid-ridden health as America's leader by speaking, without a mask, at crowded meetings in Swing States in the next few days.

Although Trump is well behind overall, HE MAY STILL WIN, if he wins over the Swing States:

See http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6958830/has-covid-19-transformed-the-us-election/ of October 10, 2020:

[Although] "The most respected poll-trackers [ AT http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ ]

put Mr Biden on 52 per cent support from likely voters against Mr Trump's 42 per cent, the biggest lead by the Democrat since July."

...Under the American system, the winner needs to succeed in a few states which swing one way or the other.

..."After a couple of strong polls for Joe Biden in Pennsylvania

- the state that's currently most likely to decide the election - Trump now trails there by five or six points.

"He's down by about seven points in Michigan and Wisconsin, meanwhile.

"Those states, along with Minnesota, Maine and New Hampshire

- where Biden has also polled strongly lately - suggest that Biden is winning back some of the Obama-Trump white working-class voters who flocked to Trump four years ago."

[other SWING STATES wing aka Battleground aka Toss-up on this Electoral Map http://www.270towin.com/maps/biden-trump-polling-map States are Indiana, North Carolina, Iowa, Arizona, Georgia, Texas and Florida]
__________________

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6958830/has-covid-19-transformed-the-us-election/ adds:

THERE ARE ROUTES TO VICTORY FOR MR TRUMP if he wins in particular combinations of states, but it is unlikely. His route is uphill."

plantagenet,

Trump better not win.

I've already put money on the other guy to win.

You wouldn't want poor old Mr Opinion to do his dough would you?

Hi Mr Op

Only if planta could swing the vote in Biden's favour.

Alas planta cannot. Planta (like Mongo) "only pawn in game of life" http://youtu.be/SKRma7PDW10 :)

plantagenet,

So what are you telling me? That I've done my dough?

No. Biden will probably win based on current polls.

But the US's unpredictable Swing State dynamic (written about above) doesn't totally exclude the chances of a Trump win.

Californian Democrats have passed a Bill to make paedophilia legal to accommodate the LGBT community. California's controversial Senate Bill 145, which would reduce penalties for sexual relations with minors, passed both legislative houses last week and now sits on the desk of Gov. Gavin Newsom (D).

According to State Sen. Scott Wiener, who authored the bill, the current law discriminates against the LGBT community.

The left say PEDOPHILIA is a sexual orientation, that should be protected under LGBT laws.

Josephus from ARIZONA

Thats your American problem.

During CNN's town hall on climate change Wednesday evening, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) said she wants to ban fracking and reduce the amount of red meat that Americans eat, as part of her $10 trillion plan to save the planet.

"There's no question I'm in favor of banning fracking," Harris said, adding that, if elected, she would take executive action on "day one" to prohibit fracking on public lands. "We have to just acknowledge that the residual impact of fracking is enormous in terms of the impact of the health and safety of communities."

Josephus,

And what age limit are they suggesting in this proposed legislation? Or, as you imply, open slather pedophilia ?

Joe

loudmouth2,
Not before a both persons are capable of caring for a family.

Above post is my opinion.

For cases involving a young adult and a minor where vaginal intercourse took place, a judge has discretion whether to place the person convicted of statutory rape on the sex offender registry.

The judge does not have any discretion when the case involves anal or oral sex.

SB 145 would eliminate automatic sex offender registration for young adults who have anal or oral sex with a minor. Instead, a judge would make the decision, just as they do now in cases involving vaginal intercourse.

SB 145 would apply only to cases involving minors between the ages of 14-17, and an offender within a 10-year range.

J osephus,

Sorry, my English is only ordinary, I don't understand some of what you are writing. In fact, I'm still in the dark over what you're complaining about.

I think I get it: it would be still illegal in California for sexual relations between people, one at least of whom is not old enough to care for a family ? Around sixteen or seventeen ? Is that it ?

Joe

TRUMP DOUBLY CONFESSES!

Following Trump's well-earned Downfall http://youtu.be/71MPsqS7tCk

Trump has admitted he's So Sorry, for many things, in these abject tones http://youtu.be/0BcPZR6lDlM

Trump has given himself up for permanent imprisonment at Gitmo.

Hi Joe(lm2)

Agent "Josephus" from ARIZONA's main objective for "writing" and "complaining about" this

California legislation is to try and connect it with Kamala Harris, a Senator for California.

This is another veiled piece of propaganda/fake news in the Campaign to make Trump Great Again.