I recognise most posters here are supporting Biden / Harris and like the Democratic Governors defunding the Police. Governors who support the activities of Antifa because they support Biden. Biden will not denounce the support of Hollywood personalities as they are paying the bail of Antifa members incarcerated for violence and burning of homes and businesses.

Proud Boys are patriot men who arose to counter the activities of Antifa, to protect people, property and businesses in opposition to Antifa. As in most organisations even Charities and the Fire Brigade there may be criminals who need to be condemned. But their crimes are not the focus of the organisation unlike Antifa, whose sole aim is to destroy Western Capitalism and people who support it.

Antifa members say they use violence as a means of self-defense and that property destruction does not equate to violence.
"There is a place for violence," Scott Crow, a former Antifa organizer, told CNN.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/350524-antifa-activists-say-violence-is-necessary
Anti-fascist activists, or “antifa,” increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.

While both experts on the movement and activists within it emphasize that not everyone who participates in anti-fascist activism engages in violence, they say the use of force is intrinsic to their political philosophy.

“The justification [of the use of violence] is that Nazi ideology at its very core is founded on violence and on wielding power by any means,” said Mike Isaacson, one of the founders of Smash Racism D.C., an antifa organization in Washington.

Isaacson is unequivocal in his defense of violence as a legitimate tool to combat the creeping threat of what he deems authoritarianism.

“There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” said Isaacson.

Hi Josephus.

So there ARE strong links between some (but by no means all) ultra-Christian fanatics, neo-fascists, white supremacists and SOME Trumpf supporters ?

Thank you for being so frank. That's rare on the extreme right-wing.

Joe

Latest poll from America: 56% for a Trump win, 40% for Biden. Coincidentally, 40% of Democrats are pleased that Trump has the China virus.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 5 October 2020 10:08:21 PM

Asked to provide a link/proof of this claim ttbn goes silent. Can take it as another lie for the Trumpster ttbn.

Josephus

Thanks for your on-the-spot US-eye-view of extremism in your country.

Fortunately Australia is not so cursed

- except for an Australian owner of US made weapons in New Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings#Perpetrator who killed 51 people.

plantagenet,
The NZ shooter was not protecting property or people he deliberately set out to massacre. He had criminal intent to murder, so not be allowed to walk among men.

Josephus

I never claimed the Christchurch killer had any legitimacy.

I just brought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings#Perpetrator to you attention because, as a yank, you would be ignorant of such Southern Hemisphere happenings.

Along those lines have you heard of a Tasmanian?