The first US Presidential debate will be broadcast on SBS TV Wednesday 11am-12.30pm our (Australian Eastern Standard) time, 30th September.

As I think the candidates are running neck and neck, winning this debate by a wide margin, is critical for Biden's shot at the Presidency.

The debate format is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_debates#Format

If it runs similar to the 2016 debates Trump will interrupt Biden often.

This will exploit Biden’s tendency to stutter and forget what he was going to say, when under pressure.

The debate will be followed by two US shows on SBS analysing the debate performance of these two candidates.

All politicians are liars, so what they say is of no use in deciding who you are going to vote for. You are either a right winger a left winger, and you vote accordingly. Who wins elections is decided by 5% of the population. Most people always vote the same way irrespective of the lies and bullshite put out by candidates. Debates are for children in private schools where students are still taught the rudiments of their language and how to use it.

debates mean little. The lying liberal media always awards the 'winner' to regressives whether Gillard, Shorten , Clinton.

Hi Pete,

Thanks for the information.

I for one will definitely be watching to see how
things pan out. It will be interesting to see who
actually makes an attempt at least at trying to answer
the questions asked and who evades and blusters as
per usual. This is our chance to see American politics
in action. Wouldn't miss it!

Hi Foxy

Crossing fingers for Biden.

Trump's lack of released Tax Returns likely to be major point in debate. :

Given Biden's last minute Tax Return Release:

"Hours before debate, Biden releases tax returns and urges Trump to do so too" By John Whitesides, September 30, 2020 http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/hours-before-debate-biden-releases-tax-returns-and-urges-trump-to-do-so-too-20200930-p560h1.html

"Crossing fingers for Biden", eh Pete?

Why? Why do you prefer someone who is obviously 'away with the fairys' as my mother used to say before she went away with them herself? Whoever the American President is will make no difference to you. The biggest threat to Australia is our own government and opposition.

For all his faults, Trump put the US back on its feet after the idiots Bush and Obama. He has done enough internationally to win him three Nobel prizes. But, you prefer a mental defective.

As I predicted, Trump is repeatedly INTERRUPTING.

What a lowdown bully.

Well I certainly wasted 7 minutes of my life watching the start of that shemozzle. It certainly looked like Biden was given the list of questions days ago, as happened with Hillary

I hope it will be more interesting to see what the lefty MSM, & other outlets make of it than it was to watch.

With our future so tied up with that of the USA, it is a bit demoralising to see such garbage offered to the US people to help them make their choice.

Looks like someone's "Biden Will Stand Down" discussion proved wrong see http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9260

More specifically someone trusting the prediction:

"From James Kunstler's post;
You heard it here first: Joe Biden will call in “sick” to the
presidential candidates’ debate on Tuesday, September 29..."

was proven wrong.

I agree Hasbeen

Australia's political discourse is so much more civilised and on message.

We have a comparatively decent PM, Opposition Leader and even Premiers, who respect the rules and public expectations of political debate.
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Here's a not bad, short, initial US analysis of the first debate "WGN's Paul Lisnek gives analysis on first presidential debate" at http://youtu.be/HIEI-yq7P7Y

MSM sided with Biden but Trump dominated so well that all MSM were squealing without actually talking about anything at all that was talked about.
Nothing really changed I like Trump but I am not voting because I am not in the US, interesting though.
Taxes how many celebrity or MSM people offering up their tax returns? Of course not!

JBowyer,

Biden won the debate hands down.

Biden answered the questions in a statesman-like manner.

Trump just constantly attacked his opponent even when a question gave him an opportunity to praise himself.

Biden has 'President' written all over him. Trump has 'Dumb Clown" written all over him.

You would need to be a real sack to watch two foreign politicians go for it. A couple of minutes on 7 News will be the limit for me. One side will say Trump won; the other will say Biden won. Same old same old every four years. Yawn.

They were both real good and it was an entertaining evening, trump may have been a little hot, but i guess that shows how much he loves his job and loves his fellow Americans

I caught about 3 minutes of it
From what I saw Trump made Biden look like an idiot.
- As expected.

Armchair Critic,

You're a pseudo-intellectual so anything is likely to please you especially if it is a clown like Trump.

No, he doesn't impress me a whole lot, but he did make Biden look like a douche, at least for the few minutes I caught.

"You're a pseudo-intellectual"

and yeah well that's what you would say to make yourself feel smarter.
I'd just call you a knobhead.

Armchair Critic,

Joe Biden reckons you're a pseudo-intellectual.

POST DEBATE CNN PUBLIC OPINION POLL PICKS BIDEN

http://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/29/politics/donald-trump-joe-biden-debate-poll/index.html

"(CNN) Six in 10 debate watchers said...Biden did the best job in Tuesday's debate, and just 28% say President Donald Trump did, according a CNN Poll of debate watchers conducted by SSRS.

In interviews with the same voters conducted before the debate, 56% said they expected Biden to do the better job while 43% expected that Trump would.

[HOWEVER] "The post-debate result is about the same as the outcome of a post-debate poll in 2016 after the first debate between Trump and Hillary Clinton. In that poll, 62% thought Clinton won the debate, 27% said Trump did."

SO REGARDLESS OF THIS CNN POLL, TRUMP MAY STILL WIN ELECTION!

I don't care what Unky Joe the little kid toucher says and does

http://miro.medium.com/max/700/1*jSR8LerN01aDH_N3FKl1Ng.jpeg

AC,

I didn't know about that: do you have any references to Biden touching kids or any evidence ? Has there been a court case that we didn't hear about, which found him guilty ? Has he done time for pedophilia ?

Of course, if there are no such news sources, no evidence, then he is obviously innocent and the victim of 'fake news'. So easy to do from one's armchair.

Joe

Mr Knobhead Opinion I think Trump steamrollered poor old Biden. It was sad and Biden just does not have it. I remember Biden's speech where he bragged that he had a foreign prosecutor sacked and laughed. The prosecutor was supposed to be investigating Biden's Son and Biden also thought it amusing that this dismissal was also sanctioned by the then president Obama. Don't have a lot of time for any sort of corruption and US politics is awash with it!

Well folks - the US Presidential election is
just around the corner and today we had the
opportunity to witness a debate from the two
candidates running for office. The current
US President Donald Trump seeking re-election
and a former Vice-President - Joe Biden seeking
the job.

I waited eagerly to see this debate on the
current problems the US is facing - from the
COVID pandemic, to the economy, to the problems
of race, law enforcement, violence, health issues,
and many others.

My expectations were high. I expected a debate on
issues, on policies. Instead I got neither.
It wasn't a debate or a discussion. It generated
down into personal attacks and insults. The bar
was dropped so low that all I could think of was -
Poor America!

Who won this so called "debate".
NOBODY!
America lost!
Mr Trump was the worst. He did a great big "dump"
on democracy!

cont'd ...

Trump plainly arrived to shred the official
debate rules and shed any pretense of a
discussion. His honking interruptions
blared without interruption. So did his
put-downs.

In some ways it can be entertaining to see a
politician drop all pretence and start hurling
his own waste at his opponent like a primate at
the zoo. But the intensity and unrelenting nature of
the rudeness quickly ceased to be interesting and
became simply depressing.

"This was a hot mess, inside a dumpster fire, inside
a train wreck", CNN's Jake Tapper said on air shortly
after the candidates left the stage. "It wasn't even
a debate - it was a disgrace".

The sad thing is - it's not clear where to go in the
3 remaining debates. The next coming up will be
between Vice President Mike Pence and Democrat Kamala
Harris which is coming up shortly and then there will
be two more Trump-Biden encounters later in October.

It's hard to imagine the next debates between the
two men being more debased and debasing this one has
been.

Perhaps someone can get through to see if they can't be
coaxed to a higher level. We can only hope.

Yep Foxy

Americans and the "Free World" deserve better than Trump, that knuckle draggin freak of New York.

Its at times like this we should reach out to those seeking to flee Trump-sylvania

and offer them Tasmania

Here's a restorative ditty to poke fun at that Trumpoid apey http://youtu.be/k-LTRwZb35A

Pete

Which TV Channel shows the debate here ?

Hey loudmouth2

"I didn't know about that: do you have any references to Biden touching kids or any evidence ? Has there been a court case that we didn't hear about, which found him guilty ? Has he done time for pedophilia ?"

Ummm... ok one thing at a time.

Firstly I said 'little kid toucher',
It's clear from the evidence I gave that he does in fact like touching little kids.
Which is why they call him 'Creepy Joe' right?

Some of the pictures there he's certainly smelling several different girls hair and one girl playing the flute seems like he's getting a bit close to kissing her ear.

One boy there it looks like he's trying to kiss on the lips.

Another girl is clearly uncomfortable and trying to pull away from him but he still has to impose himself on her and kiss her near her ear.

Grabbing other peoples kids by the face and putting both his arms around a young girls neck and throat area and smelling her hair and kissing her.

Slipping his arm around that girls waist like she's a grown woman he's dating, instead of respecting that shes a young girl and her hand should be on her shoulder if anywhere.

Obviously he was never taught to keep his hands to himself.

I never said he was a pedophile, (though I did also say 'Unky')
but I don't think it's unfair or unreasonable to say that from those pictures is his actions are clearly inappropriate.

It all looks a bit susso to me.

Tell me what do you see in those pictures?
Doesn't every picture tell a thousand words... or something?

We should all take a moment to understand Democrats game plan.

Nansy Pelosi has actually been advertising it all year if you actually pay attention.

She's been saying all along that 'Trump will contest the results of the election and not go'

You should look at the bigger picture.
Democrats plan on committing massive electoral fraud and they know it's going to be contested.
That's why she's been saying it.
Because that's what her gameplan is and that's what she's thinking.

Otherwise she'd be saying crap like:
'We really hope that we can prevent Trump from getting the (standard) second term.

- And I don't even pay much attention to things anymore -

Those 3 minutes of the debate I saw, just happened to be the part immediately prior to and when he started talking about and waving his finger about democrats mail-in ballots and electoral fraud.

Has anyone mentioned this from the debate yet?
Any takers?

"Americans and the 'Free World' deserve better than Trump, that knuckle draggin freak of New York."

Yeah we do, but you don't actually believe that Biden will make the world a better place either do you?

The Swamp has now declared war on the free World !

Individual,
Debate shown on Channel ABC, SBS and Sky.

The Adjudicator was incompetent controlling the debate. He should have given them 5 minutes each to announce their policies, at the beginning. Then have media there to ask questions of each and 2 minute replies. Then 5 minute summing up.

It will depend on which channel you watched how they view the candidates.

Josephus,

Trump wasn't interested in debating issues.

All he wanted to do was start a fight with Biden in order to prevent Biden from communicating with the audience.

He was trying to gag Biden.

And in doing so Trump projected an image of himself as a political thug.

In every picture on the debate they show Trump's various momentary bad grimaces but not Biden's.
They do that here too when they show Lib/ALP pollies. It just demonstrates the Media's Bias & collaboration to indoctrination.
Trump has a lack of composure but the main thing is that he gives the Swamp people a run for their money !

AC,

Point taken. Thanks.

BTW, in order to give each candidate equal time and to bugger up the sh!tty tactic of shouting over one's rival, I hope the moderator uses the mute button at the next 'debates', ideally with the candidates each inside a glass bubble. How hard would that be to arrange ?

Joe

Two old dogs barking at each other. Not a very edifying event at all. A body language expert declares that Biden fell apart mentally (no surprise there). She was watching his mouth, and what it formed wasn't the same as what came out of it. The man is a dropkick, an insult and a very poor reflection on the Democrat party. How on earth could they put such an idiot forward as potential leader of the most powerful nation in the world! Trump didn't impress either, but he at least has his marbles and has proved that he is capable of doing the job as the most successful president since the great Ronald Reagan.

FOULmouth,

You tell me.

I'd definitely like to hear the pseudo-intellectual take on it and you're just the man to give it.

like to hear the pseudo-intellectual take on it
Mr Opinion,
Well, go on then, don't stall !

Hi Joe,

Excellent idea of the mute button and the glass bubble.
That would not be a difficult thing to arrange and in
Trump's case it's the only way to stop his unrelenting
and rude behaviour.

Voters should be able to hear the
discussion of issues from both candidates. And not allow
one candidate to continually blare and interrupt the other,
shred the official debate rules and continue to hurl insults
and put-downs.

It ceases to be interesting and becomes simply depressing
and shameful behaviour showing the person to be unfit
for any office - a person who has shed any pretense of
decorum and civilized behaviour. Behaving like a bully and
a thug.

If this behaviour is not controlled at the next debates -
Biden should simply walk off and refuse to be a part of it.

individual,

Sorry, you're barking up the wrong tree because I have already demonstrated that I am not a pseudo-intellectual like you :-)

Foxy,

You reckon that "Biden should simply walk off and refuse to be a part of it."

I find that an amazing comment coming from someone who is an intellectual (having a BA and MA) and has lived and worked extensively in the US.

That would be the worse thing Biden could do.

I think you need to brush up on your American sociology and political culture. Try re-reading de Tocqueville for starters.

that I am not a pseudo-intellectual like you :-)
Mr Opinion,
Yeah ? But at the same time you don't mind using the phrase pseudo-intellectual having been coined by one ?

Mr O,

I believe that the Presidential debating system is now
going to be overhauled after last night's debacle.

This debate told us everything about America:
a broken, divided, angry society.

cont'd ...

Mr O,

I did say that if things did not improve -
THEN Mr Biden should walk off.

However, it looks like the system is going
to be overhauled as a result of last night.

Foxy,

I think Americans will rally behind Biden on election day.

Biden has a certain something about him that Americans haven't seen since days gone by. He's a gentleman and a statesman.

Trump is nothing more than a thug who inherited his wealth from the family hotel business started by his grand pappy Frederick who was the builder-owner of the best little whore house in the Yukon goldfields.

Who'd be the better manager, a streetwise crook or an idealistic politician ?

Individual,

A strange question. Mr $ 750 or an idealistic politician ? Mr Pussy-grabber or an idealistic politician ? Mr Gone-by-Easter or an idealistic politician ? Trumpf makes you yearn for an idealistic politician, or even an idealistic ditch-digger.

And what makes you think Trumpf is street-wise ? He's gone bankrupt half a dozen times. He somehow loses money on casinos, and keep funnelling huge sums into golf courses. If he applied for a junior manager's job here, he'd he laughed out of the building.

Not that I've got much more hope for Biden: god, he's nearly as old as I am. Perhaps he will indeed step down and give the next generation a go.

We'll see how the next debate goes though.

Joe

Hi individual

Re WHERE CAN YOU SEE THE DEBATE?

As I said when I started this thread, before the debate http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9270#311483

"The first US Presidential debate will be broadcast on SBS TV Wednesday 11am-12.30pm our (Australian Eastern Standard) time, 30th September."
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BUT as you've missed the debate you can see it on Youtube here http://youtu.be/wW1lY5jFNcQ?t=29m

Regards

Listening to both sides of American political analysists, there is a likelihood of a civil war beginning in November which has been planned since 2008. That is to overthrow the Christian influences in Government and replace it with a political coup. It will appear to be run by BLM but it will be communist.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/09/12/americas-color-revolution/

http://americanmind.org/essays/the-coming-coup/

http://thecommonsenseshow.com/activism-agenda-21-conspiracy/six-stages-bolshevik-coup-against-america

Joe will step aside and Kamala Harris will take over, she is a communist.

Josephus,

Listening to both sides of American political analysts, there is a vague likelihood of a civil war beginning in November which has been planned since 2016. That is to overthrow the democratic influences in Government and replace them with authoritarianism. It will appear to be run by Trump, whether he wins the election fairly or not, but it will be right-wing terrorist and fascist.

Thanks for the heads-up :)

Joe

In todays world, only a fool would want to be led by a gentleman. You know the British type who can smile nicely in defeat.

Not many second chances today, it is not 1940, where you had time to turn defeat into victory.

If you are not led by a pugnacious thug, you are for the high jump, & no amount of pleasant smiling in defeat will soften the pain of defeat. You had better make sure you win first time, or there is very little chance of a second round.

China & Russia are both playing for keeps, & they have people like the greens, BLM & a few others undermining our capabilities continually. This has got to be what the Romans went through as they collapsed.

Perhaps, the second time around, the moderator will have control over the microphones, and each competitor will be in his own soundproof room. Ideally, the vision of each competitor will be automatically turned off as well, if they try to muscle in, out of turn. That way, yes, we may have either courteous debate, or none at all: we can listen to arguments put without any bullsh!t bullying:

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/chris-wallace-moderator-of-the-first-presidential-debate-responds-to-criticism-of-his-performance/news-story/713d49350cbc5b2f20c222580126516c

Actually, I think he did a good job in the trying circumstances.

But why should anybody be surprised at Trumpf's predictably standover tactics ? What a turd of a human being.

Joe

By their friends shall ye know them:

The Australian asks at:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_WRE170_a_GGN&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fbusiness%2Fthe-wall-street-journal%2Fwho-are-the-white-supremacist-group-proud-boys%2Fnews-story%2Ff48dfbbc4b157d0399e5c455ce57ace7&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium

Who are the far-right Proud Boys?

Donald Trump has inadvertently shone the light on far right group Proud Boys. Who are they and what do they support (apart from rape and anti-Semitism)?

"Rape and anti-Semitism": Interesting bed-fellows you have, Runner & Josephus :)

Joe

ttbn, you said; "All politicians are liars, so what they say is of no use in deciding who you are going to vote for." So when you were backing Corny Banana and his Conservative Party, you were financially and physically supporting a liar (your words). According to you Biden is 'away with the fairys', I watched the "debate" for the whole 90 minutes. Gee sunshine Trump presented like some petulant school boy bully, if I was an American I'd be totally embarrassed, to say The Donald is my 'Commander-In-Chief'.

"It certainly looked like Biden was given the list of questions days ago" Hassy, not only have you backed the wrong horse, you've backed a dead horse.

Planty, its not that our Politian's, are smart unlike Trump they are a bit smarted than the average garden slug!

Mr O, thumbs up. look out JB will be into the personal name calling soon.

"trump may have been a little hot" Yes Pro Pat, I would say the bloody idiots pants were on fire and he couldn't stop shouting.

AC absolutely correct, Trump made Biden look like an idiot for the first 3 minutes, then for the next 87 minutes he made himself look like a total fw.

"Which TV Channel shows the debate here ?" Indy, just turn off the volume and watch it on your radio.

But AC; Does Old Joe grab women on the pussy. like Dangerous Doctor Donald like to claim he does.

Indy, what is that stink coming from the middle of the swamp? Oh! it Dirty Donald.

Jose' what they should have done was put a "turn off" switch on Dopy Donald's microphone, just to shut up his outpourings of bile. The moderator was from the right wing Fox News.

Joe, do you want us to watch a mute monkey called Donald jumping up and down and scratching on the glass inside a reinforced glass case?

Hassy, no its not 1940, in your world its 1950

no use in deciding who you are going to vote for.
Paul1405,
All one can do is to go with the more competent one. But, don't let intellectual rhetoric let you think an over-educated expert is a better choice than a pragmatist !

Hi Joe (loudmouth2)

Re: "Proud Boys" question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

Civil mayhem in US (post 3rd Nov) setting off problems in Aus?

Joe Biden is a weak leader, unlike Bernie Sanders a strong leader in the Democratic Party, with Kamala Harris who is further Left than Bernie the two of them will overrun Biden in policy making.

Joe in the debate ostracised most of the Left in the Democratic Party by denying the Left's policies. He also failed to say whether he would support Law and Order against the violence and burning.

Joe did not respond to the genuine concerns of America, and fails to be a World leader, challenging Americas opponents like China and Iran, whom he wants to be in bed with them. That he might stack the Supreme Court with a raft of left-wing appointments to overtake the Trump appointments.

In todays World you need a strong leader who will stand up against the opponents of the values of the Party. Biden has had 45 years to make his mark in World politics, and is only known for benefiting his son by millions in Ukraine and China, in a field of which he is ignorant.
http://patriotjournal.org/biden-russia-putin-oil/

Trump has had 47 months and has already made National World changing events, in standing up for America borders and in manufacturing, The Israeli and Saudi peace deal, plus got Kim Jong un on side.

Donald Trump has inadvertently shone the light on far right group Proud Boys. Who are they and what do they support

I never knew much about this Proud boys thing, not sure if it started as a joke.
I used to watch Gavin McInnes do segments on Infowars prior to starting The Proud Boys.
Just found a link to his response to Trumps comment.
Could be interesting, but there may be swearing FYI.

Gavin McInnes: Presidential Debates & Trump's "Proud Boys" comment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVuJ5XOpmIo

Below is the full content of our letter addressed to the Nobel Prize Committee.
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE NOMINATION
We, distinguished Professors of Law and Citizens of the Commonwealth of Australia, have the honour and pleasure of nominating the world leader who, in our considered opinion, has done the most and the best work for the achievement of fraternity between the nations, for restraint in engaging in hostilities and the holding and promotion of negotiations between the powers for the attainment of peace, Donald John Trump, 45th President of the United States, to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.
We come from a nation which has made a significant contribution in the defence of the freedom and liberty of other nations including those distant from our shores. In the world wars, as a percentage of the population, the Australian contribution has been among the largest of those countries distant from the major battlegrounds.
Our compatriots have paid a heavy price for this.
Accordingly, we are particularly conscious of the need for peace among the nations.
Against this background, we must especially recognize that President Trump has brought a refreshingly new approach to the quest for peace.
Both in his campaign and in office, he has denounced the pursuit of what he terms ‘unwinnable wars’. Accordingly, he is withdrawing American forces from across the world.
At the same time, he has seen the need to maintain American power, a nation above all dedicated to the pursuit of liberty, freedom and prosperity of all and a strong record of using her forces for deterrence rather than aggression.
He has thus maintained and enhanced the role of the United States as a particularly benign and benevolent power, the testimony of which may be seen in her extraordinary generosity to the defeated powers in the Second World War, and the fact that she made no restrictions or demands, financial or territorial, on them.
Cont-

Cont
President Trump has presided over peace deals in the Middle East between Israel and United Arab Emirates and Bahrein. He has taken action to restrain and eliminate the activities of terrorists within the region.
In what will no doubt eventually be called the Trump Doctrine, his foreign policy has been based on restraint in military engagements, the rebuilding of American military power as a source of dissuasion against aggression and the adoption of alternative and refreshing approaches to achieving peace. Already remarkably successful, this is certain to produce enormous dividends. According to recent reports, up to nine other Middle Eastern countries are interested in joining the growing and radiating network of peace based on the treaty already signed.
In addition, there have been significant advances in maintaining peace in the Balkans through the treaty between Serbia and Kosovo. He has also calmed tensions in the Sea of Japan.
These are truly remarkable achievements during his term in office, a term so marked by significant internal events.
Therefore we, distinguished Professors of Law and Citizens of the Commonwealth of Australia, have the honour and the pleasure of nominating Donald John Trump, 45th President of the United States, to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.
This 28th day of September 2020
Emeritus Professor David Flint AM
Professor Augusto Zimmermann
Emeritus Professor Gabriël A. Moens AM
Professor James Allan

'Citizens of the Commonwealth of Australia'

Don't you just love it how other people speak for you without even consulting you.

- Because we know how everyone in the country is just unanimous in their support for the President Trump, not one persons got a bad thing to say about him.

Hey university brown nose brigade

Make that a minus 1, he ain't that good.
surely there's someone else

surely there's someone else
Armchair Critic,
At this stage only Biden !

I understand there are 4 candidates for US President 2020.

Donald Trump (R), Joe Biden(D), Howie Hawkins(G) and Jo Jorgensen(L).

and 4 for Vice President;

Mike Pence(R), Kamala Harris(D), Angela Nicole Walker(G) and Jeremy "Spike" Cohan(L)

R Republican Party D Democratic Party G Green Party L Libertarian Party.

Hi Armchair Critter

Re your "Proud Boys" question.

Joe (LM2) also asked.

Not sure if you've read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

Cheers

Hey individual,

"At this stage only Biden !"

- I meant for the Nobel Prize.

I don't think I could ever support a Democrat, they co-opt all minority groups for the power they can take for themselves.
As for Republicans, seems they can never sell enough bombs.

I'm swayed more towards the 'none of the above' choice.

If I had to choose the lesser evil, I'd probably go Trump.
But it's like leapfrog, doesn't really matter who's in power they will still push the elite's agenda's against the interest of the people anyway

And Gavin McGuinness isn't that bad,
He ain't perfect, but he's not that bad.
I don't agree with everything he says, but thats true for anyone.

The world wants you to believe that this man is a heretic and should be stoned to death on the spot simply for having opinions of his own, just the same as every single person here.

It's not him that's wrong anymore than everyone else who are wrong by being brainwashed by people like Southern Poverty Law Center, who themselves would take the time to write a bio on his supposed crimes against humanity in order that you all will think that way.

Gavin McGuinnes evil - Trump Nobel prize

ITS ALL BULLCRAP

Howie Hawkins looks a good choice to me, with Jo Jorgensen in second. There are two alternatives to Trump and Biden.

If I had to choose the lesser evil, I'd probably go Trump.
Armchair critic,
That's the dilemma for all decent folk ! The Democrats are simply too evil for my taste !

Indy, you are a crack up. "dilemma for all decent folk". The are five choices, the four candidates, or not voting at all. You are a Trumpster, your political line on this forum gives you away. If I was an American voter I would cast a vote for The Green Howie Hawkins. Even Jo Jorgensen looks a better choice than Trump and Biden.

Hi Paul,

This is a comprehensive and interesting take on the debate:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/01/presidential-debate-was-good/

It seems that the Grand Sook may not turn up with his bat and ball at the next one, if he can't speak whenever he likes:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-signals-he-might-not-accept-changes-to-debate-rules-20201002-p5619a.html

Funny, I didn't know that the President could dictate the terms of his own election. What a piss-weak slimy bully.

Only 33 days to go (our time).

Joe

The US President and the First Lady have both tested
positive for coronavirus after one of the President's
most senior adviser's Hope Hicks tested positive on
Wednesday.

Even if the President tests negative within the next
14 days he will be unable to attend rallies in 3
key states - Wisconsin, Florida and Arizona.
As well as being unable to attend the next Presidential
debate which is scheduled for 15th October.

Will Pence come down with this virus? We have to wait
and see. His debate is due next Wednesday - 7th October.

If the President becomes too ill to lead the country,
Vice President Mike Pence will be placed in charge.
If he's incapacitated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would
be the most likely person to take over.

The mind boggles.

Hope Hicks is not the only White House staffer to have
contracted the virus. One of Trump's personal valets
also tested positive in May and Katie Miller, press
secretary to the Vice President who's married to Trump's
adviser Stephen Miller has recovered from the virus.

What happens next we shall have to wait and see.

cont'd ...

The President's words are still ringing in my
ears - "This will end badly!"

I doubt if he foresaw how it could affect him.

Hi Foxy, I sincerely hope Donald Trump and his wife recover. But that's not going to stop me from take'n the piss out of him from here on in.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi would
be the most likely person to take over.
Foxy,
the Viper in charge of the lab rats ?

Gee Indy, take this seriously, the virus has jumped from humans to a baboon!

Niether man nor beast should suffer Covid.

Then again what goes around comes around to the one who minimised a major threat to America, when true leadership was required.

A certain Hubris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

Should we be concerned:

A. Trump may garner unearned Sympathy Votes if he continues to stand for election?

OR

B. If Pence stands for election as President, might Pence win on Sympathy Votes?

I wonder will they suggest a "virtual" second
and third Presidential debate. This would
overcome the problems of the first debate and
of contact and infection.

Of course the President would have to agree to
this which is probably not likely because he does
not want the rules to be changed. He wants to have full
control as he did in the first debate.

Interesting times ahead.

A or B
plantagenet,
neither ideal but way preferable to the alternative. The progressives are trying very hard to portray this election as being between two gits but the reality is that it is far more serious.
The already questionable sanity of Conservatives is up against the proven insanity of the progressives.
I know which I'd rather have at the controls at this stage !

Sydney Morning Herald put it well 2 hours ago http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-s-covid-19-diagnosis-throws-election-into-chaos-20201002-p561iy.html

[I've capitalised key points]

"Many Americans, especially those who dislike the President, will be dubious about the accuracy of the information that emerges from the White House in coming days given TRUMP'S PREDILECTION FOR FALSEHOODS.

It's shocking and upsetting for the President to contract the virus, but not necessarily surprising.

Since the earliest days of the pandemic, Trump and other members of his administration have taken a CAVALIER APPROACH TO THE PANDEMIC.

He said it WOULD "MIRACULOUSLY" DISAPPEAR AND COMPARED IT FAVOURABLY TO THE SEASONAL FLU.

HE SHUNNED MASK-WEARING FOR MONTHS AND RIDICULED HIS DEMOCRATIC OPPONENT BIDEN FOR WEARING ONE.

HE HELD PACKED RALLIES, some of them indoors, against the advice of health experts and local officials.

He SIDELINED TOP SCIENTISTS like Dr Anthony Fauci AND HYPED UP UNPROVEN MIRACLE CURES.

He questioned the usefulness of widespread testing on the grounds that MORE TESTS PRODUCE MORE CASES."

Hi individual

Thanks for replying. Yeah Garnering Sympathy Votes because Trump was behind?

Its US electoral tradition that Voters Rally Around The President During A Time of Crisis like this.

But they better rally from a long distance.

MORE TESTS PRODUCE MORE CASES."
plantagenet,
I was really surprised how many failed to get that even among the conservatives.

Hi individual

Interesting when Boris Johnson got COVID he almost died over one night.

Trump is 18 years older than Johnson and they're both overweight, increasing Covid impact.

RULES ON TRUMP'S DEATH OR DISABILITY

The 25th Amendment of the US Constitution is relevant to Trump's Covid. It provides guidance to Pence in case of Trump's death or disability.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

"The Twenty-fifth Amendment (Amendment XXV) to the United States Constitution deals with issues related to presidential succession and disability. It clarifies that the vice president becomes president (as opposed to acting president) if the president dies, resigns, or is removed from office; and establishes procedures for filling a vacancy in the office of the vice president and for responding to presidential disabilities."

MUCH MORE at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Pete

ttbn,

I’m glad to see you have lost none of your ability to see the truth of things, since I’ve been absent from the good old, online opinion. You were often the only one who had it right,I remember on many of these online opinions.

JOSEPHUS and INDIVIDUAL were some who had insight, and Runner I think.

HASBEEN with his usual Scepticism of well spoken sleaze balls, is spot on about Joe Biden.

Not one word, of truth came out of Biden’s mouth.

Pres Trump said he made the decision that he had to challenge Joe as he said things, because “EVERYTHING” Joe was saying, was a lie and there’s no way he could have challenged him on all the lies coming out of his mouth, short of writing it down, if he’d waited.

I knew Joe was lying too. And if it wasn’t so long, I could tell you exactly why different things he said were lies. What I know that most on here seem to be frighteningly unaware of, through not paying enough attention. would take a whole essay to write.

AMERICA IS ON THE BRINK, of losing its Democracy. It’s not about Trump it’s about how the Democrats are tearing up the constitution, backed up by
a globalist, corporate, regime-style, news media, who won’t call them out on anything, or hold them accountable.

I watched a journalist from that media, who was being interviewed for a book,he had written about “How did Trump win the election?” He was surprised and puzzled about how Trump had managed to get around the powerful, elite, backed up by an even more powerful media.
He didn’t think it was possible for anyone to do.

Trump did it because he ran on his own money, and he had no powerful elites controlling him like a puppet. Plus he used the internet to speak directly to millions of voters everyday, to get around their news media lies and twisted stories.
FAKE NEWS he called it. Propaganda is the real name for it. Not truth.

Since the first debate the Forums group of Trumpets have gone awfully quite. Not a peep, poor Diseased Donald is off dosing himself up with 'Handy Andy' and the infamous light up the clacker. Alas some of us always knew Donald was a sick man.

Yes Paul1405

I hope the TrumpNoddies are no too depressed about their sick leader.

Here's a title of a 9 May 2020 article http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-09/mike-pence-press-secretary-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/12231152

"Donald Trump 'not worried' about coronavirus spread in White House after Mike Pence's press secretary tests positive."

Trump out of touch with reality, methinks.

Paul 1045

Biden kept on lying and Pres Trump kept calling him out, that’s what happened.

Biden should be on criminal charges for taking bribes from China, Ukraine, and Russia when he was minister for foreign affairs.

Biden called Pres Trump a clown, and Pres Trump said, “don’t you talk to me about brains,you lied about the prestigious school you went to.”
And it is on public record that Biden said he went to some prestigious school, like Harvard, and when the school read it in the papers. They contacted them, and said Biden never went here at all.

Biden was also caught out in earlier years as a politician, giving speeches he’d copied from other people. He’s also well known for his sleazy touching and kissing women and young children. It’s been caught and shown on camera quite a few times.

Biden was also in on the FBI plot that falsified facts in the FISA CRT, to obtain a warrant
to hold what turned out to be an illegal Investigation into do-called Russian Collusion.
That warrant also granted powers to subpoena. For Two and a half years, Mueller and 6 of the FBI’s top lawyers, subpoenaed thousands of Pres Trumps documents and people around him, and went through them with a fine tooth comb looking for any wrong doing, so they could take Pres Trump out of the Presidency.

They found nothing. Because there was nothing. The Inspctor General of the Fisa CRT.
Horowitz, then investigated why the FBI had been given, court permission to hold such a failed investigation.

His report which he handed down to a committee of senators and lawyers. and several journalists, ( I watched it on video as he read it out) found 17irregularities( lies)in the first
FBI application, and 10 irregularities(lies))in the 3rd Fisa warrant application document.

The FBI still needs to be held to account over this. The dept if Justice run by Obama appointees has been withholding the evidence and it has been found 30 phones have been “accidentally” wiped clean

Cheerful Rants above aside...

Trump has been shifted to Walter Reed hospital by helicopter. More see http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/02/trumps-covid-treatment-what-know-walter-reed-medical-center/3595976001/

Putin and the Kremlin have gone into official mourning. Not since the death of Stalin has an asset so important to Russia's influence in the world been so ill.

Hi Cherful,

If I was an American which thankfully I am not, I'm Australian, and I was going to bother to vote, which most certainly I would, I would vote for Howie Hawkins from The Greens. Have you got any dirt on him.

Like others you think if ones anti Trump, therefore they must be pro Biden, that's not true! They are both crap and their political parties are crap which support the military/industrial complex. I am a moderate progressive socialists. I'm also a pacifist and a member of the Greens. Given the chance why would I want to vote for Biden?

If you, like several others from the pseudo-right on the forum want to brand me a communist, that's fine, but it also wrong, I deplore totalitarian communism as previously practiced in the Soviet Union, Eastern Europe and today the befuddling political system in China. Everyone has their own circumstance and therefore their own political system, China is no exception.

Having said all that, it doesn't prevent me from taking the piss out of dear old Donald. He is such a political buffoon I can't resist. The right of politics tends to throw those kinds of clowns up from time to time.

TRUMP, EVER CAUTIOUS NOT TO SPREAD COVID!?

Reported today, our time http://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/02/politics/trump-coronavirus-path/index.html

"Washington (CNN) When President Donald Trump stepped into the dining room of his golf club in New Jersey on Thursday, high-dollar attendees gathered for a fundraiser there thought he seemed a little off.

...Little could those guests know that the tired-sounding man sitting across the white brocade tablecloth would test positive, hours later, for coronavirus.

Nor were they aware that BEFORE HE ARRIVED, BOTH TRUMP AND HIS SENIOR AIDES RECEIVED INFORMATION SUGGESTING HE COULD HAVE BEEN EXPOSED -- and therefore could be contagious. LIKE USUAL, THE PRESIDENT WASN'T WEARING A MASK..."

CHERFUL,

Thanks for your comments. I've largely reached the point where I post once - on the very few subjects worth bothering with - and don't come back. Apart from the few posters you have mentioned, and you of course, most posters keep rabbiting complete garbage not worth reading. This morning, I was interested to see what the usual fools had to say about Donald Trump's contraction of the China virus. The instigator of this thread, Pathetic Pete, seems to be enjoying it. At least nobody has wished the man dead as has actor Dominic West and and other zombies in America have via Twitter.

It seems that most people don't realise the serious situation the West is in with the Chinese threat and Marxism - virtual anarchy - from within the West itself. Even with someone like Trump leading the Western world, it will be touch and go; with Joe Biden, or anyone from the Democrat side, it will be disaster. There is far more at stake than Trump's grating personality and Biden's cognitive problems. Trump has
proved himself; his haters will have to tolerate him for only four more years, but what happens in that four years is vital to the free world. There is nothing in Joe Biden's lengthy political career to suggest that he is the man for the job.

I've just read an interesting article on the BBC
by New York correspondent Nick Bryant on -
"What this crisis reveals about the US and its
President".

Bryant points out that "Nations like individuals reveal
themselves at times of crisis in emergencies of this
immense magnitude. It soon becomes evident whether a
sitting President is equal to the moment".

We're told that "Donald Trump's response has been so
predictable. He has not changed. He has not grown.
He has not admitted mistakes. He has shown no
humility. Instead all the hallmarks of his presidency has
been on agitated display - his boasts".

"He has awarded himself a 10 out of 10 for his handling
of the crisis. The politicisation of what should be
the apolitical. He toured the Centers for Disease Control
wearing a campaign cap emblazoned with the slogan -
"Keep America Great".

"His truth twisting. He now claims to have fully appreciated
the scale of the pandemic early on - despite dismissing and
downplaying the threat for weeks. His attacks on the
"fake news" media including a personal assault
on a White House reporter who asked
what was his message to frightened
Americans. "I tell them you are a terrible reporter".

"His mocking of Mitt Romney the only Republican who voted
at the end of the impeachment trial for
his removal from office for going into isolation".

"His continued attacks on government institutions. His lack of
empathy. Rather than offering soothing words for relatives of
those who have died or words of encouragement and
appreciation for those in the medical trenches."

"Trump's daily White House briefings commonly start with a
shower of self congratulation. After Trump has spoken Mike
Pence his loyal deputy usually delivers a paean of praise
to the President".

There's more at the following:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52012049

Foxy

don't you ever get sick of spewing out hateful garbage.

Runner,

But it's a pity that they are true :)

The latest on Trumpf's condition:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=9270

Gosh, wouldn't it be so unfortunate if Trumpf has to get treated on a ventilator, those unnecessary and expensive objects of a few months ago. Such a waste of money then, but probably vital now. If only Trumpf had had a strong torch.

Anyway, it's all a hoax. Fake news.

Let's all hope that Trumpf can recover in time for the inauguration of President Biden in January.

Only 32 days (our time) to go, Runner :)

Joe

Dear runner,

You are now getting so defensive of your utterly corrupt and venal president that you are calling what Foxy wrote hateful?

Get your hand off it mate.

Trump is a bully, a draft dodging, tax dodging, paying his workers dodging, reprehensible, pussy grabbing, pornstar bedding, crass excuse for a leader.

His family and assorted cronies have enriched themselves incredibly. The reason for his disregard of the virus was he didn't want any action to come at an economic cost to himself or his henchmen.

Well at least you have dialed back your spruiking of him as a great man.

Anybody who doesn't at least see him for what he really is is delusional.

Time to get off your knees and join the rest of us. But be aware, anytime you go after a political figure for any kind of immoral behaviour the rest of us will be able to look at you and say, “Shut up, you supported Trump until the end. You have nothing to say here.”

runner,

You talking about "hateful garbage" ?

That's like the Mafia getting together to bump off
the Godfather for not going to church on Sunday.

Now back to the topic.

The BBC article raised some valid points.

"Those of us who live in developed nations have been
left to ponder why the world's richest country does
not have a system of universal healthcare. Ten years
after the passage of Obamacare more than 26 million
Americans don't have health insurance".

Other concerns include:

"The lines outside gun stores... The spike in online
sales of firearms. "Ammo.com" has seen a 70% increase
in sales. The panic buying of AR-15s".

The article goes on to explain "The Lazarus-like revival
of Joe Biden are signs that some are voting for normal.
Many Americans are yearning for precisely the kind of
empathy and personal warmth that Biden offers... He's
made recovery his theme".

"Soft jazz rather than heavy metal. Empathy and personal
warmth. A return to some kind of normalcy".

However, we are told that "normalcy is not something
we can expect to see for months - maybe even years.
Coronavirus could dramatically reshape American politics".

Dear Steele,

Runner, like his idol continues to hurl his own waste
at people whose views don't agree with his or his
idol's. Like primates at the zoo. And as pointed out
earlier the intensity and unrelenting nature of the
rudeness quickly ceases to be interesting and becomes
simply depressing and as you point out - a disgrace.

Totally debased and debasing.

Thanks for your comments. Sometimes you just have to
respond.

Dear CHERFUL,

Are you really going to compare Biden being loose with the truth with Trump?

How on earth does any rational part of your brain allow you to do that.

Biden got caught pumping up his resume and when he got called out on it he corrected the record. Tell me one instance of Trump doing so with the over 2,000 substantiated lies to his credit.

In fact there is a Wikipedia page with solid references which details some of the most egregious lies of this bull crap artist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Dear Foxy,

It doesn't look to be getting any better either. They have swallowed so much of it they are totally dependent on caricatures like Trump to feed them their world view. It really is very disconcerting. How does Trump sleeping with a porn star get a free pass from someone like runner? What kind of tortuous twists does his mind have to make to allow him to look upon him as some kind of saviour?

It beggars belief but there it is laid out in front of us.

The Donald in action, is this the second debate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkghtyxZ6rc&ab_channel=InsideEdition

Dear Steele,

The only explanations for runner that I can suggest
is that he may believe that Trump is anti-abortion.
And Trump's support of Israel. Runner may be an
"end-timer" who would bring on Armageddon today if
he could. He may believe the end of time is near
and that there will be a great battle - the battle
of Armageddon in Israel - and the Messiah will return
to earth and govern for 1000 years, and all the world's
Jews will be destroyed if they don't convert to Christianity.
Ironically the Jews are needed to fulfill this Old
Testament prophecy, as they have to conquer the so-called
Biblical lands before Armageddon is possible.

This helps explain the unholy alliance between American
end-timers and Jewish fundamentalists.

So much for the sad state of the world today.

Well said Foxy, Paul1405, Joe(lm2), Mr Opinion and SteeleRedux
____________________

runner - That Trump's Disease is Cosmic Karma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma is known only by God.
____________________

“Biden shatters election fundraising record”

Says AAP http://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6951841/biden-shatters-election-fundraising-record/?cs=14232
____________________

Shields and Brooks conclude:

Many voters, who before the Debate were pro-Trump, now favour Biden.

For the first time Trump revealed what an Unbalanced Bully he is – “Live” in front of a vast US TV audience – see http://youtu.be/9DqGaH4A8vQ?t=6m40s
____________________

@ttbn - for Trump’s Tiny Brown Nob :)
____________________

Might Biden and his Secret Service detail do well to Watch Out For Trumpists, Russian intelligence or a Nutter ATTEMPTING TO INTENTIONALLY INFECT HIM WITH COVID?

There's a joke that God must love fools because he created so many of them. Fools are certainly in dominance here. Stupid and hateful, with not a clue about the consequences of a person like Joe Biden being elected instead of a high achieving (proven) man whose personality they don't like. How juvenile can they be! The incompetent, no-past- achievements Biden would quickly be replaced by a Vice President whom he loathes just so that the Democrats can crow about the 'first woman President', because they can't actually get one elected. All this crap is much more important to the fools than the well being of America and the Western world.

To all you supporters of the DIM - O - Crats

Re:-Pres. Trump’s Covid diagnosis.
The timing is terribly convenient for the Democrats, don’t you think? What are the odds? They couldn’t do an Epstein on Pres Trump, but you can bet your sweet Bippy they would be prepared to use the Covid Virus.

There are a lot of staff, like cleaners, maids, waiters, involved with the running of the Whitehouse and Presidential events. I’d say one of these was somehow involved.
You won’t convince me otherwise.

If Pres Trump wins the election, they will no longer be able to keep on withholding evidence and some very big politicians and bureaucrats will go to prison.
These are desperate people trying to take Pres Trump down and it’s not just about taking him down, it’s about saving themselves from criminal accountability.

To all you supporters of the DIM - O - Crats

Re:-Pres. Trump’s Covid diagnosis.
The timing is terribly convenient for the Democrats, don’t you think? What are the odds? They couldn’t do an Epstein on Pres Trump, but you can bet your sweet Bippy they would be prepared to use the Covid Virus.

There are a lot of staff, like cleaners, maids, waiters, involved with the running of the Whitehouse and Presidential events.

If Pres Trump wins the election, they will no longer be able to keep on withholding evidence and some very big politicians and bureaucrats who could go to prison.
There are desperate people trying to take Pres Trump down and it’s not just about taking him down, it’s about saving themselves from criminal accountability.

FOXY
If you think Joe Biden is normal you’ve been watching too much fake news on the biased SBS and ABC, plus channel 9 and channel 7.
Herald Sun is another one.

SBS- “there were just a few peaceful protestors” right! In the picture behind the really peaceful protestors, are huge flames devouring buildings. SBS failed to mention them.

SBS, Shows a news slip of Cuomo(mayor of New York) blaming Pres Trump for the 50% of American deaths in his Democrat run city. New York still makes up 30% of all the deaths in America.

Cuomo refused to lock New York down until he had thousands of body bags piling up.
Pres Trump sent a big hospital ship with lots of beds, doctors and nurses to help New York. Cuomo refused to use it, because it was sent by Pres Trump, so he put all the infected aged people back in the nursing homes.

President Trump shut down travel from China and then the rest of the World 10days after the world found out about the virus. The world health organisation was giving him and other countries the advice, that China was saying it had the virus under control and there was no need for countries to close their borders. Trump shut the borders, anyway.

Pelosi and Biden both came on the Television news at the time, saying Pres Trump was
Racist( towards China)and over-reacting. I saw both of them do that, although Biden said he didn’t in the debate with Pres Trump. Another lie by Joe,

How long would it have taken for the Democrats to shut down travel?

Cheerful, you make with de joke, yah? Old Joe will be so disappointed, his best campaigner Dangerous Doctor Donald is on the sidelines, or is it fake news. Nothing wrong with The Donald, he's his Tutti frutti self alright, so they had to lock him up in some mental hospital, or some such place. BTW, what's the experimental drug they're giving poor Donald... Pine-O-Clean!

These crazy Yanks get better by the day.

Plantagenent.
You say:-
<Might Biden and his Secret Service detail do well to Watch Out For Trumpists, Russian intelligence or a Nutter ATTEMPTING TO INTENTIONALLY INFECT HIM WITH COVID?>

You know who that nutter ( nutters) are, The Democrats,

The timing of this infection is way....too convenient! for the Democrats, so close to the election. Coincidence, I don’t think so.
They couldn’t take Pres Trump out the same way they did Epstein, but the Covid virus would be an obvious choice for them. You know I’m right too. But you’ll never admit to it.

Dear CHERFUL,

You write: “There are a lot of staff, like cleaners, maids, waiters, involved with the running of the Whitehouse and Presidential events. I’d say one of these was somehow involved.
You won’t convince me otherwise.”

Are you for real??

Trump constantly downplayed the use of masks and turned them into a political football. His entire family entourage refused to wear them at the debate even though the rules were quite specific. He attended rallies where mask wearing was actively discouraged. Yet some how in your deranged state you think it was one of the little people, the cleaners or waitresses or some such were to blame.

Look mate I don't know how well off you are but you have a supposed billionaire who engages in behaviour putting himself at significant risk yet you are looking to point the finger at lowly staff because you identify more with him than them? Is that really how brainwashed you have become?

How dare you! Idolise your president to your hearts content but don't go picking on people on the lower rungs to brush over his utter stupidity. The kind of statement that you have made would make people like Trump ecstatic. Time to snap out of it and join the rest of us mate. It isn't too late.

ttbn

You are seeing the situation in America very clearly.
AMERICA IS ON THE BRINK of losing Democracy if Pres Trump doesn’t win this election.

A lot of people see only Trump versus Biden.
But there is a fight for control of America going on behind it all.

The left wing politicians, powerful globalist elites, the 70% Marxist media (just anti-American media, really)
have formed an unholy alliance to take control of America.
The media have now crossed a line which directly threatens Democracy. They have abandoned the truth.

“FREEDOM OF THE PRESS”. really means the FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE to know the truth,
so they don’t vote in authoritarian regimes.

THE NEWS MEDIA is one of the societal ESTATES OF POWER underpinning democracy.

Steelerudex

Dear Steeley,

Biden is as confused, as Michelle Obama’s Gynecologist.

A recent observation on utube.

The Candidate debate was a bull fight with President Trump being able to put Biden off balance several times. Biden's weak defence was calling him a liar, a clown etc. America needs a strong leader, not a tired weak leader like Joe. The behind the scenes agenda by the Democrats is to overthrow the American Constitution and put in place a Socialist Constitution removing freedoms of the people. However the Walk Away campaign run by the Republicans is attracting coloured female voters, as it is they who are buying up guns and ammunition for self and family protection.

Proud Boy Jose', the only ones buying guns are people like you, the radical white supremacies from the far right, who support violence through the use of arms. Remember "Stand down and stand by!" Now that sounds like a call to arms to me, be prepared to fight if thing don't go our way.

Cherful, all these conspiracy theories, from the cleaning lady to Marxist media, how do you find the time. The truth may well be the Dirt Bag is faking it, like he always does, in a belated attempt to win some kind of sympathy vote.

CHERFUL,

Yes. The media is certainly a leading villain in the assault on democracy; and, it is where the fools get their information. There are very few readers or serious enquirers among the chattering class.

The biggest threat to mankind, the Progressives, are in overdrive to re-stock the swamp !

Indy, no one could ever accuse you of being progressive. If Trump is defeated then the removal of his appointed cronies and relatives from the position that allow them to line their pockets as they have been doing for the past 4 years, seems reasonable.

I saw on TV yesterday a reporter said there are 3 reasons Trump is a high risk with having caught the WuFlu: His age (74), males have a higher risk, and he is overweight.

There a 2 other factors that put him in the high risk category that no one has mentioned: He has high blood pressure and is diabetic.

All those factors together puts him in the very high rick category.

I also saw a news item too where Prof. Joe Siracusa said he wouldn't be surprised if China invaded Taiwan or did something in the South China Sea or Iran did something etc while Trump is out of the picture and unable to take action due to ill health.

Mr O,

Watching the sick dude from his "hospital", not in a white cotton gown with his arse in full view as he pushes his intravenous bottles down the corridor filled with his favourite cocktail mix of wonder drugs such as Pine-O-Clean. Nah! he was behind a desk. So say some, its a put up job to get the sympathy vote. I would not put it past The Donald to sink to that kind of low level.

Dear Joshephus,

Oh FFS mate really?

"The behind the scenes agenda by the Democrats is to overthrow the American Constitution and put in place a Socialist Constitution removing freedoms of the people."

Just stop already. Where are you getting these talking points from?

Do you believe universal health care, something even Biden won't go full bore for, is horribly socialist, undesirable, and removing freedoms from people? Do you believe we should get rid of Medicare in Australia because of how dreadfully socialist it is?

Your buy in to this crap is almost as bad as runner's. You are an Australian I believe, well start acting like one.

Nobody here has the slightest idea who will win the American presidency. The result will be decided by Americans, not by Australian ideologues who never miss a chance to express their hatred for anything not loopy left.

The US is so sprawling and varied that detecting any kind of mood there from as far away as Australia is impossible, according to one commentator who usually attends all presidential campaigns but cannot be there for this one, thanks to the China virus.

All you self-appointed pundits should remember the last election that Donald Trump was never going to win; and our own most recent election where the ALP was going to romp in on the very "important" issue of climate change.

Gee whiz there's always the ones on this forum who are
always complaining. Have a negative view of the world.
Expect the worst from life. Are never upbeat or positive.
Everyone else is wrong. They dwell on bad news.

It makes one wonder whether they ever achieve much in
life because they sure as anything such the energy and
optimism out of people,

TRUMP SPREAD HIS COVID TO REPUBLICANS AND STAFF AFTER HE KNEW HE HAD IT!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-04/donald-trumps-coronavirus-test-and-the-truth/12730106 dated 10th Oct 2020 indicates:

"... Trump knew he was COVID-positive starting midday on Wednesday, only 13 hours after he debated Joe Biden on-stage.

It would mean Trump knowingly attended not just one but two fundraisers, plus a rally, plus an Air Force One flight, plus several staff meetings, all without masks, as he was contagious..."

CORRECTION - with correct date of article.

TRUMP SPREAD HIS COVID TO REPUBLICANS AND STAFF AFTER HE KNEW HE HAD IT!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-04/donald-trumps-coronavirus-test-and-the-truth/12730106 dated 4th Oct 2020 indicates:

"... Trump knew he was COVID-positive starting midday on Wednesday, only 13 hours after he debated Joe Biden on-stage.

It would mean Trump knowingly attended not just one but two fundraisers, plus a rally, plus an Air Force One flight, plus several staff meetings, all without masks, as he was contagious..."

ttbn,

Trump and Morrison had external help at the elections they won.

Trump from the Russians.

Morrison from Palmer who I think was being bank-rolled by Adani plus Morrison bought a lot of lower class votes with his promise to give them a thousand dollars extra in their next tax refund.

SR, In case you are not aware Ginsberg was advocating that the South African constitution was far better than the American, and she was supposed to be protecting the American Constitution.

http://barelyablog.com/justice-ginsburg-preferred-south-africas-constitution-to-the-us-constitution/

http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-09-19-ruth-bader-ginsburg-an-ally-of-the-south-african-constitution/
Speaking of the South African Constitution Ginsberg said: Albie also recalled the time RBG and her husband Martie had visited the Constitutional Court in 2006:

“She declared it to be the most beautiful court building she had seen in the world. In 2012 she got into trouble in America when she advised countries looking for a new constitution to use the Constitution of South Africa as an example rather than the Constitution of America.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/09/ruth_bader_ginsburg_the_political_ramifications_of_a_political_jurist.html
However there are inherent problems in the South African Constitution she admires that are protected in America: The South African Constitution does not promote a small government for free people who possess inherent rights that must be free from political interference. Instead, it's a micromanaging monstrosity that identifies "rights" (some copied from the USA) that are, in fact, privileges subject to the political winds.

http://www.factcheck.org/2018/12/ruth-bader-ginsburg-taken-way-out-of-context/ is supposedly taken out of context the fact is she is far from happy protecting the values of freedoms enjoyed by Americans.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/south-africa-amending-constitution-white-farmers-amanda-prestigiacomo

South African President Cyril Ramaphosa announced on Tuesday that the African National Congress will move forward in amending their constitution to permit the seizure of white farmers’ lands without compensation. The stolen land will be “redistributed” to poor blacks in the name of righting the inequities of apartheid some 25 years ago.

Earlier in 2018, as reported by News.com, South Africa’s parliament voted in favor of a motion brought forward by radical Marxist Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) seeking to begin the process of taking white-owned farmland without compensation. “We are taking the future into our own hands,” said EFF leader Julius Malema. “Shoot to kill! Shoot to kill! Pow, pow!”

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When Paul has no rebuttal argument he turns to comedy to laugh it off. with: Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 4 October 2020 9:21:49 AM "his favourite cocktail mix of wonder drugs such as Pine-O-Clean"
See Paul as usual cannot tell fact from fiction.

Nobody here has the slightest idea who will win the American presidency.
ttbn,
Impossible to predict but with the utmost certainty we can predict that the Progressives will go full steam ahead in denouncing anything that resembles decency !

Interesting report from the NYT, on:

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/us/politics/trump-covid-updates.html

"Dr. Sean N. Dooley, another physician on the team, said Mr. Trump was feeling optimistic. “He’s in exceptionally good spirits,” Dr. Dooley said. He added that the president told his doctors, “I feel like I could walk out of here today.”

"Mr. Trump, bored at the hospital and talking to a number of relatives and advisers by phone, was said by three administration officials and people close to him to indeed be in better shape, which added to the frustration among advisers that Dr. Conley and Mr. Meadows had created such confusion.

"Dr. Conley was put out to speak primarily because White House officials had recognized that there were few in the president’s circle who were seen as credible. But Mr. Meadows was unhappy with Dr. Conley’s appearance, one person close to the president said, and he tried to correct it himself. That in turn only heightened anxiety and angered Mr. Trump.

"While Mr. Meadows gave a more candid description of the president’s condition, the chief of staff has been heavily criticized by people working inside the administration for being too controlling of information that affects a large group of people working in the White House — and too eager to put himself at the center of the public discussion."

Not much honour amongst thieves :)

Of course, though, this is all a hoax. There is no so-called 'virus'. 208,000 Americans have agreed to secretly hide themselves away until after the Election, on orders from secret powers that I dare not name, and why, I have no idea.

I wouldn't wish a Covid-related death on anybody, not even a sleazy, incompetent mongrel like Trump, who has caused the deaths of so many other Americans due to his slack policies - for example, under his overall supervision, does the US have any sort of contact tracing, with more than forty thousand new cases each day ? I don't think so: they're all just wandering around infecting others. Long way to go yet, folks.

Joe

individual,

Yes. The Democrats have lost their marbles. Hopefully, Donald Trump will be reelected for a second term, as 80% of Presidents have been in the life of the republic. He has shown that is very capable and good for America domestically and internationally. Joe Biden has nothing to offer: 77 years old, and obviously not firing on all cylinders. I am the same age as he is, and I sympathise with his mental slow down; but, he is definitely past his use by date as a public figure.

Proud Boy Jose', what do you have to say about this;

"If you follow Dr Conley's timeline, that means Trump knew he was COVID-positive starting midday on Wednesday, only 13 hours after he debated Joe Biden on-stage."

"It would mean Trump knowingly attended not just one but two fundraisers, plus a rally, plus an Air Force One flight, plus several staff meetings, all without masks, as he was contagious with a virus that's claimed more than 209,000 American lives."

Just as he has no concern for the over 200,000 dead Americans, and the over 7 million infected from Covid-19, Trump has knowingly risked the lives of others for crass political purposes. The American Virus, has been a complete failure for Trump. From the time the US released their Virus on China in an attempt to bring down the Chinese economy to today when their number one jackass is supposedly infected with the disease.

Trump has mismanaged the virus in more ways than one.

Ttbn,

I suppose it's reasonable to suppose that Trumpf will experience this hoax virus at least as badly as Boris Johnson. I recall that Johnson had lingering after=effects, and was off or around a month or six weeks.

Never mind, Pence will steer the Republicans' futile efforts through the Election, and perhaps be in the position to hand over the presidency to Biden and Harris in January.

Yes, it's likely that Biden may last a year or less, and then hand over to the more capable hands of Kamala Harris, with Nancy Pelosi as her vice-president. Then they can repair much of the damage that Trump has wrought, and be re-elected in 2024. Wonderful.

Joe

The President Trump and First Lady Melania tested positive for COVID-19 Thursday night and Trump says they've begun their quarantine and recovery process immediately.
The fact of Trump contracting the virus now has everyone tracing his steps the past week. Even though he didn't test positive until Thursday, he could have been contagious for several days prior. As we reported, his adviser Hope Hicks tested positive hours before Trump, and they had traveled together.

Hi Paul1405

Looks like JOSE has taken over the Australian desk of US Fascists International.

Best to ignore Jose rather than trying to speak sense to him.

Jose won't change his views, while debating him just gives him a podium to spout his un-Australian US Fascist message.

Cheers

It seems hard to believe that the American people
would genuinely reelect a man despite his dangerously
erratic foreign policy forays; his destructive trade
policies, his employment of toadies and cronies, and
family, and his supplicancy to autocrats and dictators.

Many initially thought after the 2016 election that
US institutions, administration officials and advisers
could sand paper down the worse elements of Trump.
It was not to be. The leopard's spots could not be
changed. We can all hope that he won't win - but we
should never underestimate his capacity to cheat and
pander to the base instincts and resentment of enough
people.

This man should not get re-elected.

1) Not after these years of racism.
2) Not after declaring US fallen soldiers as "losers".
3) Not after trying to cripple the Post Office.
4) Not after calling those who rallied alongside
neo-Nazis "very fine people" and asking the "Proud
Boys" a violent extremist organisation to "Stand
back and stand by".
5) Not after putting children in cages.
6) Not after he had demonstrators tear gassed so he
could wave a Bible around in Lafayette Square.
7) Not after his inaptitude helped bring more than
200,000 deaths from COVID.
8) Not after refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer
of power.
9) Not after lie, after lie, after lie.

Because the moral arc of the universe bends towards
justice - doesn't it?

So true Foxy
_________________________

In view of Donald's terrible diagnosis, and his age, I am greatly concerned that he might Shuffle Off This Mortal Coil before the election, allowing the Republicans to nominate someone who does not belong in an asylum.

Therefore I am asking all folk of goodwill to pray for Donald, and beseech the Lord not to call DT unto Himself... at least not till the election's over.

PLANTAGENET
You say:-
<TRUMP SPREAD HIS COVID TO REPUBLICANS AND STAFF AFTER HE KNEW HE HAD IT! >

WHY? would Trump want to give his team Covid and put them out of the running for the senate and government. It is not rational.
The Democrats, however, who used the leaders of the FBI to forge an application to the FISA Court to hold an(illegal)Russia collusion investigation into Pres Trump, then held a silly Impeachment trial, accusing President Trump of what Joe Biden had actually done. Joe is on video, laughing and bragging to some Dem mates in 2014, about what he did in Ukraine, he has also received big payments from China, and has been paid
3 million dollars by some bigwig Russians wife. This came out of documents that have just been released by the Justice Department, subpoenaed for the enquiry, being held by the Intel committee at the moment in America.

You and your mates wouldn’t know about that enquiry, because you don’t watch the honest News Chanels, like Fox News, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens(black speaker)
Victor David Hanson(Historian) Denesh D’Sousa. Jordan Peterson( ex leftist, who keeps paintings of the communist revolutions,on his kitchen wall to remind him of how dangerous the left is and how many millions they killed in this last 100 years.)
The left hides behind virtue signaling.

FOXY
CNN is a joke, . SBS uses CCN for their American reports.( Everybody laugh out loud).
CNN, MSNBC,THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE WASHINGTON POST, BBC,ABC,

ALL leftwing marxist media, running full-time twisted, blame and shame stories, against
Pres Trump. But it wouldn’t matter if it was a different opponent, running against the lefts,puppet President.
These news outlets would be doing the same thing.
They have abandoned any sense of truth that is needed to underpin Democracy.

They also lie by omission. They just never mentioned the criminal behaviour,
of Joe Biden or the FBI, paid by Hilary Clinton to compose, fake facts to give to
the Fisa CRT to hold that Russian collusion thing.

I’ve watched CNN after getting the real information from several other sources that I know are honest and have integrity,

Right wing groups is a laugh, night after night for months if you watch true video of the rioting and looting, and assaulting,
it’s Black Lives Matter, Antifa, and young stupid leftwing white students.
60-100 people are being murdered in some of these cities EVERY weekend.
Blacks killing blacks. You don’t hear these statistics on the Fake media.
No white supremacists in sight, just blacks murdering other black people.
You lot on here, would be totally unaware of it no doubt, because the channels
you watch just don’t report the truth, if it doesn’t suit them.

Steekerudex

Are you saying that only people with money commit crimes, not lowly staff
I have known some very kind,caring, well off people and some very nice, caring, not so well off people

I’ve also met some bastards from both classes

Foxy

I just read your list again of the reasons Trump shouldn’t be re-elected

I could give you a different explanation to all of those Fake media produced perceptions

But it’s way past my bedtime
Maybe I will come back and do it tomorrow

Foxy,
the list for not voting in the Progressives is even longer than Trump's.
I suppose as someone who supports saboteurs you'd never have the ability to look at the situation as it is & think about it in a sober manner.
You' are part of the crowd that blames Trump for every single bit of negativity that your crowd manages to bring out. You call Trump divisive yet it is the crowd that you support who makes up the crowded swamp that Trump rightly wants to drain.
It is your crowd that goes on mindless rampages & cause massive disruptions. It is your crowd that opposes harmony, it is your crowd that takes so much that there's nothing left for the less fortunate. It is your crowd that is divisive to the point of criminality !

HOW TRUMP SPREAD HIS COVID TO STAFF AND REPUBLICANS:

Well said Foxy and Joe (loudmouth2)

Throughout the pandemic, Trump discouraged officials and staff from wearing masks. Those in the West Wing who did use them often faced ridicule from others.
________________________

WHITE HOUSE ROSE GARDEN FUNCTION - 26 SEPTEMBER

On 26 September an event was held in the White House Rose Garden announcing Amy Coney Barrett's nomination to the Supreme Court following the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. More than 150 people attended; they were told they did not need to wear masks if they had tested negative that day.

Chairs for the outdoor ceremony were placed side by side, and there were two crowded indoor receptions.

At least seven attendees tested positive for the coronavirus in the following week, including the president, the first lady, Tillis, Lee, Jenkins, former Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway, and former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.
______________________

FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE - 29 SEPTEMBER

Trump prepared for the first presidential debate with former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and 4-5 others at the White House, over the course of the three days preceding the event.

Christie stated that no masks were worn.

On 29 September 29 White House personnel attended the debate at the Cleveland Clinic.

At least 11 individuals involved in preparation for the event later tested positive.

Despite earlier claims that all participants would be tested, debate moderator Chris Wallace later revealed that Trump and his personnel arrived too late to be tested and were instead admitted to the debate hall under "an honour system".

Individual and CHERFUL, Foxy watches ABC and SBS news and believes what they say as fact, when we know they present half truths with Leftist opinion. You can gather this from her supposed reasons above not to vote Trump, all Left wing opinion reports. Trump was registered as a Democrat for more than eight years in the 2000s, according to New York City voter records made public during his 2016 campaign for president. This is the reason Democrats hate him. The Media in collusion with Communist Marxist presenting lies, wants you to believe the reports as Foxy has accepted as fact. This is a Communist tactic to have people believe we are progressing to a Utopian World. Ask people who have lived through the Russian Communist revolution, about the level of Media brainwashing by presenting lies as fact.

TRUMP FLOUTS QUARANTINE RULES BECAUSE HE'S BOSS

USA TODAY reported 30 minutes ago http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/04/great-reports-donald-trump-cuts-another-video-claims-progress/3617839001/

"Interesting journey:' Donald Trump drives by supporters outside Walter Reed, claims progress in another video"

WASHINGTON – Claiming progress in his personal fight against COVID-19, President Donald Trump ventured outside for a little bit on Sunday to greet supporters who gathered at the hospital before then returning to the facility.

Trump, wearing a suit and a mask, waved to supporters from the back seat of an SUV as it passed by the demonstration at the Walter Reed medical center.

[TRUMP THE COVID MEDICAL EXPERT]

"It's been a very interesting journey, I learned a lot about COVID," Trump said in a video recorded at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center. "I learned it by really going to school. This is the real school. This isn't the let's-read-the-book school, and I get it, and I understand it."

Dear CHERFUL, Individual, Josephus,

It seems that I've certainly stirred up some emotions
in you with my reasons for why Trump should not be
re-elected. You think that you are right. I think that
I am right. We obviously see things through different
lenses. I watched the first Presidential debate and I
was horrified at the way the President behaved.
His behaviour over all has left me cringing.
But that's me, my values, and the way that I was raised
and what I had experienced living and working in the
United States for close to ten years and having witnessed
several Presidential elections first hand.

Anyway - what we think here is not going to change anything.
We shall have to wait and see what the American people
decide - and the kind of country that they want to have.
I do know that the America of today - is not the country
that it once was. It has changed drastically. I would
like to see the old America back once again.

Foxy, I too would love to see the Old America back again, yes "Make America Great Again". Bring back Christian values and moral disciplines.

American Universities and places of influence have changed the values of Millenniums to believe Government must rule the people and administer socialism is the future: therefore we must destroy democratic capitalism. Removing personal responsibility to care and contribute to community. The socialist view Governments must look after me; rather than I must loyal to my family relationships and look after others.

The new generation is looking for new ideas supposedly unidentified to do their thesis on, e.g. gender dysphoria. I say develop existing basic ideas of diversity of character that enhance society, rather than place it on gender roles. These are communist ideas to destroy the nuclear family and collapse social security.

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad World - an almost perfect exemplification of a 'race to the bottom' - and with so many reveling in the mass delusional hysterical madness.

We have had the Communist retrograde defective monsters who killed one of my uncles post-WWII - but such totally retrograde ideas still live.

We have had the near-perfect exemplification of racist extremism in Apartheid South Africa - yet such ideals still persist.

When once the pinnacle-quest was for truth, knowledge and enlightenment, we now suffer the hurricane of 'Fake News' set to purposely confuse, disrupt and destroy any figments of decency, honour, truth and justice.

The Modern Merlin of Mischief, the Prime Purveyor of Pusillanimous Puffery, the King of Crap, exalts and thrives in an incestuous soup of confusion, ignorance and idiocy welded to technological manipulation and devoid of moral integrity.

How low, how bereft, how incomprehensible has been the plunge from post-WWII promise of rebuilding, of reformation, of a new age of consciousness and tolerance and PEACE.

Why?

A confused world, a manipulative world, a divided world where Peace and Goodwill Toward Men may now be conceived as weakness and met with distrust, derision, denial and hatred.

Foxy has sought truth, and has demonstrated an attainment of genuine wisdom and an appreciation of Psychology which would put many so-called Psychologists to shame, yet her attempts to guide discussion towards illumination and respectful revelation of fact is met with denial and derision by the un-seekers, those welded to non-fact and non-truth, and indeed reveling and rejoicing in their ignorance and bigotry.
Pearls before devotees of dedicated division.

Their should be no 'Left' and no 'Right', no them and us, no white, black or brindled, no better or worse, deserving or undeserving, no upper and no lower - just humanity and honesty and justice and truth.

Cherful is obviously a Trump 'plant'.
ttbn, Individual, runner and Josephus - please, could you try discussion in search of truth and fact, rather than continuous repetition of tired stereotypical dogma?

Trump is disgusting. Live with it, and look for better.

Foxy, The basis of the former America.
http://urbancure.org/cureamerica/1464/Congressional-Wives

You think that you are right. I think that I am right.
Foxy,
Yes, but we've gone far beyond that by now, it's a matter of what is wrong & what is right.
When things are wrong, people move to make things right. The problem then becomes that those who were right & did the right thing start doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason.
They see benefits coming their way & they like it.
Look at Unions for example. They were desperately needed but once they achieved what was right, they got the taste of power & now look where we are ?
Doing the right thing also means knowing when to stop. The progressives chose to ignore the fulcrum & started to swing the other, the wrong way !
Unions have protected jobs in the past but now they're costing jobs ! They have protected workers but now they're exploiting them just as the Tories of old did.
The academic progressives have become the Elite that used to be the Tories' domain !
It's all gone wrong & you are supporting this !

Dear Josephus,

Thank you for your comments and the link.

I think that we all hope for and want a better
world. We must deal with the problems that face
us in order to move forward as a free, fair,
and vibrant society. I have no doubt that we
can find the solutions that suit us, provided
as I've said many times in the past that we
do not succumb to the siren calls of demagogues
charlatans and ideologues.

Dear Saltpetre,

Thank you for your kind words.

People are capable of being thoughtful and
rational, but their wishes, hopes, fears and
motivations often tip the scales to make them more
likely to accept something as true if it supports what
they want to believe.

In today's era of polarized politics when facts
themselves are under attack understanding this
inclination to cherry pick and twist facts to fit
with our existing beliefs (and finding ways to sidestep
it) has according to psychologists taken on new urgency.

I wrote on another discussion 0 "there's a time for the
middle-finger" and a time to put it away.

Individual,

I'm not supporting wrong-doing.

On the contrary. I am encouraging rational
thought and action. I certainly don't have
all the answers - but working together we just
might find solutions that are fair for us all.

TRUMP EXPOSES HIS STAFF IN DRIVEBY

Trump's joyride yesterday past his simple supporters, outside Walter Reed Hospital, shocks all with brain.

"It also sums up why his approval ratings have been stuck below 50 per cent through his entire presidency and why he is significantly trailing Democratic nominee Joe Biden in the polls less than a month before election day.

Trump's willingness to ROPE IN SEVERAL SECRET SERVICE AGENTS TO SIT IN A CAR WITH HIM so that he could wave to supporters outside Walter Reed Medical Centre [yesterday], SHOCKED MEDICAL EXPERTS WHO SAID HE HAD ENDANGERED LIVES.

"EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE VEHICLE DURING THAT COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY PRESIDENTIAL 'DRIVE-BY' JUST NOW HAS TO BE QUARANTINED FOR 14 DAYS," tweeted James Phillips, an attending physician at Walter Reed.

"THEY MIGHT GET SICK. THEY MAY DIE. FOR POLITICAL THEATRE. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theatre. This is insanity."

Explaining what she would do if Trump were her patient and suggested such a ride, Dr Leana Wen, a visiting health professor at George Washington University, said: "I'd call security to restrain him then perform a psychiatric evaluation to examine his decision-making capacity."

MORE SEE http://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-s-reckless-joyride-tops-bible-holding-photo-opp-in-washington-20201005-p5622b.html

Following TRUMP EXPOSING HIMSELF IN COVID DRIVE-BY

Police have not prosecuted Trump for indecent exposure when he broke Covid Quarantine Laws for political reasons.

The Trump King is, after all, above the Covid Health Laws governing ordinary Americans, who don't receive such FREE and HIGH LEVEL MEDICAL TREATMENT.

Instead ordinary Americans die quietly. That's America for you!

More see http://youtu.be/eLn4GD5lFAg

plantagenet,
That anti-Trump circus is straight-out childish. What reckless drive-by ? I tell you what's reckless, the protesters supporting criminals that's what's reckless !
You lot are really getting desperate, you'll end up handing trump an election win with your childish vindictiveness !

guess what. You fools who drove to work today. You were putting people's lives at risk! What a joke.

runner,

No. that's not correct. Those who drove to work
were alone in their cars. And they were not diagnosed
with COVID. Big difference.

cont'd ...

They also were not hospital patients who were
supposed to be in quarantine.

We need more joy and laughter in our lives - all of humanity, including the U.S.

We need assurance in our lives - being able to have a job, able to support ourselves and families and achieve some fulfillment and satisfaction before we shove off - and with reasonable health support and a safety net if we run into trouble.

So, what is interfering with our peace of mind and forever stirring the pot so it's almost impossible to relax?

Three guesses.

The U.S. had much success in WWII, but could this have gone to its head?
Paranoia, Superiority Complex and Delusions of Grandeur?

Who is interfering in everyone else's business, engineering coups and installing puppet governments, leading people on and then leaving them in the lurch - like in the First Gulf War and now Syria - and before that in South America, Korea and Vietnam?

Who fills entertainment with sex and bad behaviour, techno illusion and combat, criminality, abuse and affronts to common decency?

Who insists on driving on the wrong side of the road, persists with miles, pounds weight, pints and gallons (non-imperial), while the rest of the world goes metric?

Who's out of step?

Not satisfied with being the oddball on the block, they insist on infesting the world with misinformation, lies, deceit, chicanery and a comic government that throws environment under the bus, causes a massive GFC and walks away, spits in its Allie's faces, makes a mockery of the WHO and its own CDC, and makes a joke out of the UN and Security Council.

Fair-weather friend, or scourge?

What brought on 9/11, and North Korea's and Iran's nuclear programs?

Who has let Capitalism go to its head - to the extent of depriving its citizens of universal healthcare, and of pursuing a military program which places any prospect of world peace on the brink of an abyss?
Climate Change - someone else's problem.

The world needs to change; the US needs to pull its head in.

'Trump' represents the tip, and personification, of a potential globally calamitous ice-berg.

Saltpetre,
"The world needs to change; the US needs to pull its head in".

So you are suggesting What change? The Marxist, Antifa, BLM agenda?
We recognise your anger against Western democracy, and your siding with the communists

The basic tenet of the progressive thinker is to seek ways to identify and then overcome injustices in society. All societies exhibit some discrimination leading to inequalities in one form or another, be it discrimination based on race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or some of the many other discriminatory practices that abound in society. Social disadvantage goes hand in hand With discrimination in limiting wealth distribution. The discriminated always have poorer outcomes in education, health, employment, housing etc. The disadvantaged lack the opportunities that are generally afforded most other members of society. The Progressive always argues the case in favour of the disadvantaged.

@Josephus

Maybe Salty means all Americans taking a good look at America's declining quality of life - under Trump.

The international Social Progress Index 2020 rates Australia 8th and your USA only 28th - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Progress_Index#2020_Rankings_and_scores_by_country

US entry http://www.socialprogress.org/?code=USA

USA includes residents of Arizona, Josephus...

Proud Boy Jose'

Are you going to brand Salty a COMMUNISTS, just as you branded me such for speaking my mind.

Well said Salty! A bloody thumbs up!

I recall years ago when Ho Chi Minh was confronted by an interviewer with the proposition that poor little Vietnam, with no decent army, air force or navy, could not possibly win the war given the military might of America. He basically said to the interviewer; 'You are wrong, Vietnam will win, because the American people are weak, my people are strong, the Americans will give up, my people will never give up the struggle. Ho was proved to be right.

I was once surprised by what a well known Communist said to me back in my much younger days, pointing out the difference between the Soviet Union and America; "The difference, the Soviets are full of BS, and they know it. Americans are full of BS, but they don't know it.' We had, had quite a few beers in the pub by that time.

I tried to find out who are the Proud Boys. From the founder himself on CNN.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Proud+Boys%27+founder+says+he%27s+suing+Biden%2C+CNN+%22TO+CALL+US+NAZIS+IS+A+DEEP+SEEDED+INSULT%22%3A+%27Proud+Boys%27+founder+Gavin+Mclnnes+reacts+to+his+organization+being+labeled+as+a+white+supremacist+group.+Via+The+Chris+Salcedo+Show+on+Newsmax+TV%3A+nws.mx%2Ftv+See+less&cvid=eb63258c23b14287a87dbb1112abd374&pglt=547&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=U531

Proud Boy Jose'

The leader of the 'Proud Boys' Enrique Tarrio; In 2020, Tarrio was a candidate in a Republican primary election in Florida. Tarrio is also the Florida state director of the organization 'Latinos for Trump', who were present at todays Trump stunt drive by.

In 2004, Tarrio was convicted of theft. He was sentenced to three years of probation, community service, and ordered to pay restitution. In 2013, Tarrio was sentenced to 30 months (of which he spent 16) in federal prison for rebranding and reselling stolen medical devices.

Tarrio owns a business, 'The 1776 Shop,' which sells right-wing merchandise from a shop front and online. In May 2017 Tarrio volunteered at a Miami event for far-right commentator Milo Yiannopoulos. Tarrio has became a fourth-degree member of the Proud Boys, a distinction reserved for those who get into a physical altercation. Tarrio has been chairman of the Proud Boys since November 2018.

@Josephus

As you are primary school teacher of biblical proportions you would have researched Wikipedia?

Its entry for "PROUD BOYS" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys reflects many aspects of your quasi-religious neo-Fascism:

"The Proud Boys are a far-right, neo-fascist, and male-only organization affiliated with white supremacists that promotes and engages in political violence.

It is based in the United States and also has a presence in Canada. The group originated in the far-right Taki's Magazine in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes, taking its name from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the 2011 Disney musical Aladdin.

While the Proud Boys emerged as part of the alt-right movement, McInnes distanced himself from them in early 2017, saying his focus was "Western values" while the alt-right's focus was race. The re-branding effort intensified following the Unite the Right rally.

...The group believes men and Western culture are under siege, their views having elements of the white genocide conspiracy theory. Officially, the group rejects white supremacy,..."

"In late November 2018, the FBI had classified the Proud Boys as an extremist group with ties to white nationalism..."

Read much more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys to your 10 year old students at school.

Cheers

'runner,

No. that's not correct. Those who drove to work
were alone in their cars. And they were not diagnosed
with COVID. Big difference.'

no Foxy 4.6 people died everyday from accidents in Australia in 2018. Dangerous business you know. Better to stay in your padded cell.

Runner,

I think that most of us would be happy to leave you in that cell :)

Clearly now, the so-called 'virus' is a hoax, so that bloke in Trumpf's drive-around was a double - that bloke's hands were far too big.

But he'll probably pass on the virus to everybody in that vehicle (if he actually had the virus, which is a hoax) (and if it was him instead of a double), so they'll all get symptoms, or maybe just hoax symptoms, and add to the hoax numbers of 209,000.

Question: did Trumpf (or his double) break quarantine ? Should he be fined ? Can a president be fined ? Even when he's not actually working as president ? Or should his body double be fined instead ?

A bigger question is: if the virus is a communist antifa hoax, and Trumpf is in on it, is Trumpf actually a communist ? Hmmm, .... that wouldn't make the slightest sense - which would make a lot of sense, if you really think about it. After all, nothing is as it seems .....

Joe

I'm very impressed with the courage of the president of Notre Dame University:

http://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20201005&instance_id=22811&nl=the-morning&productCode=NN&regi_id=127104467&segment_id=39842&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2F4d29f228-e146-5cfd-961f-35a8afe72146&user_id=35fd54d942ac9b9e288ef933afd6d6f5

There are good people everywhere.

Joe

runner,

We are talking about the actions of the US President
who has been diagnosed positive with COVID putting
people at risk by his actions and irresponsible
behaviour. Please stop with the insults and diversions.
I'm not the one whose mental capacity needs to be questioned
here.

Latest poll from America: 56% for a Trump win, 40% for Biden. Coincidentally, 40% of Democrats are pleased that Trump has the China virus.

ttbn, how about a link to this pole of yours, then we all can climb up it. I hope its not some poll run by you down at Proud Boys HQ or something you have dreamt up. The online news outlets have Biden 14 point ahead, after Trumpf fake news about his coronavirus. Trump has slipped about 6 points. The sympathy vote ploy just aint working!

ttbn,

Not only are you a pseudo-intellectual but you also happen to be as nutty as a fruit cake!

The latest polls are showing Biden leading by about 14% points.

Plus I'm thinking that Trump feigned having the WuFlu: (1) it takes about 6 weeks to recover from the infection, not 3 days in Trumps case and (2) makes sense why the secret service agents were willing to get in the car with him - there was no risk because Trump wasn't infected.

What we call 'Fake news' created to get the sympathy vote. It's the action of a desperate man who knows he has already lost the race to get back into the White House.

I running down to the betting shop and putting everything on Biden.

Paul1405,

I see we're thinking along the same lines.

A case of great minds think alike.

I wonder how many regressives Trump is going to trigger by getting well. Oh well nothing like the leftist haters!

runner,

The one providing this forum with smear tactics,
labelling, and hatred - is sadly you.

BIDEN IS 8.2% AHEAD OF TRUMP

The critical Link, that ttbn evades
is http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

_____________________________

54% OF AMERICANS DISAPPROVE OF TRUMP, ONLY 42% APPROVE

Link, which ttbn evades is http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/trump-approval/

so refreshing to see Trump taking the hysterics our of the Chinese virus. Meanwhile we will have numerous suicides today, cancer deaths, car accidents. Thank God we don't have the hysterical media and lockdowns for all those things. We have been conned by pseudo science and the 'experts'. Taking a long time to wake up to the stupidity. Meanwhile Andrews remains popular. How dumbed down can we become.

runner

True Trump has been shifted to intensive care at the world class White House Medical Unit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Medical_Unit

Trump, unlike 215,032 Ordinary Americans who have died from Covid, has FREE ACCESS to the world's best medical care.

Even then, Trump has ABUSED THIS PRIVILEGE by exposing his breath to staff providing this care, to those protecting him and to his political minders.

ALTERNATIVELY Trump's alleged Covid may even be a HOAX to garner SYMPATHY VOTES because your Trump knows HE's running BEHIND Biden.
___________________

runner

Do you have Christian Sympathy for the Covid Dead? Runner, the illiterate-over-prejudice, should read this. http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Hi Pete,

"Trump's reckless return is met with a dramatically
changed White House" - are the headlines of the
following link. It's worth a read:

http://www.edition.cnn.com/2020/10/05/politics/trump-white-house-coronavirus-diagnosis/index.html

Runner,

You might be onto something; clearly it's possible that this 'so-called' 'virus' could be a hoax, and Trumpf, in his playful, sarcastic mode, has gone along with the joke, pretending to have the 'virus'. So funny !

As I recall, perhaps faultily, Boris Johnson seemed to recover, then had a very serious relapse. It's possible that Trumpf, carrying on with the joke, will go back to work, but have a 'relapse'. This would take all the attention off Biden and his 12 % lead in the polls. Trumpf would appear to fight the 'virus' - and succeed ! Maybe in the week just before the Election, which would give him a massive voter boost. Just not quite enough :)

So exciting ! 29 days to go (our time).

Looking forward to a Biden-Harris administration from late January next year, then a Harris presidency by the end of next year, and then two full Constitutionally-allowed terms for Harris; up to the end of 2032. Fantastic.

Joe

Foxy,

He's looking a bit orange. A far cry from the white-as-a-ghost show he put on yesterday.

I guess he went straight from the hospital bed into the solarium.

"Drop me off at the White House solarium driver! And by the way driver, don't worry about catching the WuFlu off me because guess what ...... I don't have it."

Hi Foxy,

If you remember Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the scene: 'Bring Out Your Dead !' and a bloke is grabbed, who says, 'I'm feeling a lot better.' Or 'I'm not dead yet.' I forget which.

If TRumpf has faked this 'virus' and gone back to the White House, surely he still has to stay in quarantine for another couple of weeks. Of course, most regretfully, this might push him past the next debate with President Biden. What a shame.

OR, of course, he actually does have the virus: then he may well have a relapse, like Johnson did. At his age, it might be worse for him than it was for Johnson.

OR, of course, he might just have the flu. Unlike 210,000 fellow-Americans, he might survive. And of course, he yearns to exchange his life for theirs, to save them and to die for his country. He grieves for his 210,000 fellow-country-men and -women, and -children.

I certainly wish him an appropriate outcome.

Joe

FOULmouth,

"Always look on the bright side of life" - he might actually die!

Well said Foxy and Joe(LM2)

While

- Josephus from Arizona

and

runner, from God Knows Where

would be incapable of reading http://www.edition.cnn.com/2020/10/05/politics/trump-white-house-coronavirus-diagnosis/index.html

Its obvious

TRUMP HAS CREATED A CLIMATE OF FEAR AMONGST HIS STAFFERS

Trump, with Covid, without a mask, forces his staffers into small rooms, where he does the interrupting, that he calls "Campaign Briefings".
______________________

Thus Trumps Advisers-in-Fear are dropping like flies, from Trump the Super Spreader.

Trump's victims include http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_COVID-19_outbreak :

- Melania

- Melania substitute Hope Hicks (Don't leave Donald alone with her!)

- Republican Senators Thom Tillis, Mike Lee, and Ron Johnson

- Trump's 2020 campaign manager Bill Stepien

- Republican Party Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel

- former White House counselor Kellyanne Conway

- former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie

- University of Notre Dame president John I. Jenkins, and

- White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany

They all suffer TRUMP'S STANDOVER BULLYING so evident at the Debate, but now TRUMP UNMASKED COVID COUGHs over them.

Other than that its who-do-we-sack-this week? business as usual at the Trump House.

Trump/Biden - Virtual Debate - Convenor switches from one to the other for their allotted time for each question, and each can see and hear the other's responses - BUT the TV audience and any WH or other observers can see and hear only the one whose allotted response to the question is 'turned on' for them to see.

Thus, all are in the dark to any gestures or attempted interjections by the opponent.
(Except for a clandestine recording of these - to be held for possible release Only After the Election is all done and dusted. So the world may then see all of the opponent's tantrums and frustrations revealed in full colour - if such is then deemed appropriate.)

Problem solved.
Peace in our time.
No virus transmission - and no attempted 'grandstanding' visible 'live' to anyone.
Trump of course will be opposed and horrified at such a prospect.

Trump, untouchable, invincible - at least in his own incomprehensible mind.

P.S. Good one Pete, Plantagenet!

Misopinionated,

Of course not - this is all a hoax. There's no 'virus', it's all a communist, antifa, plot. Either that or it's a North Korean or a Jewish plot - i.e. George Soros. Or a Chinese plot. After all, the whole world is out to get us, or at least the US, they hate the US so much, for no reason. And all of it obviously planned from some evil force in outer-space.

Well, how else can you explain it ?

So why is Trumpf going along with it ? Clearly, he's being quite sarcastic, i.e. ironic, i.e. ludic, playing along. Of course, he doesn't have any 'virus', there's no such thing: he said all those things about your cherished Chinese virus just to rile them up, he knows they haven't developed such a virus, yet. But, boy, did it panic them, he was onto them !

The million deaths so far are a myth. The 210,000 Americans who have supposed to have 'died' from this 'virus' are having a great time hiding out in the hills of Idaho, and most of them have already voted postally for Trumpf.

So he'll burst out of the White House stronger than ever. No masks, he's not a nancy-boy, or a Democrat, or a communist, which is the same thing. He'll dominate the next debate with Biden, cream him, and win the Election in a landslide, if all of his supporters vote twice, or more.

Unless, of course, it's NOT a hoax ........

Back to your village wall, Misop :)

Joe

Hi Joe and Pete,

Last night at 7.30, I watched Channel Ten's "# Trump: How
Social Media Changed The Presidency". It explored the
Twitter has changed political communication in the US.
Fascinating stuff. And a revelation on what an amazing
talent the man has to get what he wants. He seems to
be totally without any scruples - which I find rather
frightening in a world leader.

FOULmouth,

You're starting to scare me.

Hang in there old timer an ambulance full of psychiatrists is on the way to look after you.

Don't be afraid, they mean you no harm. They're there to help.

I recognise most posters here are supporting Biden / Harris and like the Democratic Governors defunding the Police. Governors who support the activities of Antifa because they support Biden. Biden will not denounce the support of Hollywood personalities as they are paying the bail of Antifa members incarcerated for violence and burning of homes and businesses.

Proud Boys are patriot men who arose to counter the activities of Antifa, to protect people, property and businesses in opposition to Antifa. As in most organisations even Charities and the Fire Brigade there may be criminals who need to be condemned. But their crimes are not the focus of the organisation unlike Antifa, whose sole aim is to destroy Western Capitalism and people who support it.

Antifa members say they use violence as a means of self-defense and that property destruction does not equate to violence.
"There is a place for violence," Scott Crow, a former Antifa organizer, told CNN.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/350524-antifa-activists-say-violence-is-necessary
Anti-fascist activists, or “antifa,” increasingly mobilized in the wake of President Trump’s election, are unapologetic about what they describe as the necessary use of violence to combat authoritarianism.

While both experts on the movement and activists within it emphasize that not everyone who participates in anti-fascist activism engages in violence, they say the use of force is intrinsic to their political philosophy.

“The justification [of the use of violence] is that Nazi ideology at its very core is founded on violence and on wielding power by any means,” said Mike Isaacson, one of the founders of Smash Racism D.C., an antifa organization in Washington.

Isaacson is unequivocal in his defense of violence as a legitimate tool to combat the creeping threat of what he deems authoritarianism.

“There is the question of whether these people should feel safe organizing as Nazis in public, and I don’t think they should,” said Isaacson.

Hi Josephus.

So there ARE strong links between some (but by no means all) ultra-Christian fanatics, neo-fascists, white supremacists and SOME Trumpf supporters ?

Thank you for being so frank. That's rare on the extreme right-wing.

Joe

Latest poll from America: 56% for a Trump win, 40% for Biden. Coincidentally, 40% of Democrats are pleased that Trump has the China virus.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 5 October 2020 10:08:21 PM

Asked to provide a link/proof of this claim ttbn goes silent. Can take it as another lie for the Trumpster ttbn.

Josephus

Thanks for your on-the-spot US-eye-view of extremism in your country.

Fortunately Australia is not so cursed

- except for an Australian owner of US made weapons in New Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings#Perpetrator who killed 51 people.

plantagenet,
The NZ shooter was not protecting property or people he deliberately set out to massacre. He had criminal intent to murder, so not be allowed to walk among men.

Josephus

I never claimed the Christchurch killer had any legitimacy.

I just brought http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings#Perpetrator to you attention because, as a yank, you would be ignorant of such Southern Hemisphere happenings.

Along those lines have you heard of a Tasmanian?

Come on Planty, of course Proud Boy Jose' has heard of Australia, "Than's that country over in Europe where they ski and do a lot of yodelling!

Proud Boy Jose' Here's the Aussie National Choir on Aussie Day performing the Aussie national anthem; just for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGexgNKPl0k&ab_channel=Oesch%27sdieDritten

Antifa Paul, Fighting for the Communist Greens.
Thanks!

Seems like every fear monger who has tried to maintain hysterics regarding the China virus hate the fact that a 74 year overweight junk food lover has shrugged off the virus. Unfortunately like many bad flu's people die of this virus but for the vast vast majority most get over it. Sort of destroys the hysterical narrative and clear evidence that destroying people's livelyhoods and robbing kids of education has been completely dumb.

runner,

The count of the dead and the infected is rising
in the United States. And President Trump is saying
one thing. His doctors are saying another.
Wow, what a leader?

Josephus,

The 'Thugs', of all persuasions, are 'detritus' who have no interest in any genuine or worthwhile 'cause' - with their only 'cause' being the satisfaction of their own self-destructive counter-everything morally-deficient 'egos'.

Crime must be punished - and all good people must 'call-out' the corrupt, the mindless mongrels, and all the defective and deficient holding ill-intent.

BLM has to clean-house, Islam has to clean-house, Palestine has to clean-house, Africa, Europe, The Vatican, the U.S. and so many others, all have to 'clean-house'.

With the Refugee Crisis, the Displacement Diaspora, a world in turmoil and rife with inequality and injustice, Politicians of all persuasions need to get off their pedestals of vested-interest and self-satisfaction and LEAD in honesty and integrity before the escalating avalanche of turmoil in this sick, starving world slides into complete dysfunction and destruction.

People like Trump have no place in politics, and possibly really belong in gaol.

Time for the UN to stand-up, and for the mass-voice of Humanity to put the likes of Xi and Putin and Trump and all would-be Tyrants in their place.

It is time for Sanity to prevail - and not BLM or Antifa or Qanon or Proud Boys, not 'Left' or 'Right' or any White, Black or Blue 'Supremacist' retrogrades, or any malevolent vested-interests or delusional demagogues.
Sanity - can and must find a way to quell, quash and eliminate all those forces of evil ambition, and cast them into the historical toilet.

The world has to stop quibbling over minutia, and get a grip.

Will we live to see anything happen?
Hope? Or, Determination?
Free-Will!
(God is firmly on the side-lines.)

Joe the new Republican,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYZDC2UQRc

Hi Saltpetre,

Yes, if I understand you, there is the small lunatic 'left' and the small lunatic right, and a large, more sensible middle. As a refugee from the 'left', I've moved solidly, almost desperately, to the middle.

In this US selection, the question is: who will appeal to the 'solid middle', rather than the idiot right or idiot left ?

If Biden keeps his head, and if Harris comes through this debate without any serious wounds, they may give the Head Clown and his offsider some trouble.

If it turns out that Trumpf's 'virus' was bogus, fake news (after all, the 'virus' is a hoax), probably a story-line that he picked up from one of his Marvel Komiks, the gap may be magnified.

Of course, as we move towards a quarter of a million US deaths from this hoax virus, with Trumpf in quarantine for a fortnight or so, Pence will have to work overtime. And of course, if the virus is genuine and Trumpf comes down with the second stage of it, then Pence et al. will have to move fast to get their new act together, with a greatly impaired team.

But of course, if Trumpf joins 240,000 of his fellow-Americans, and dies in an ICU, that puts a new spin on the whole game. Constitutionally, if Pence wins, that puts Nancy Pelosi in as V-P. In that unlikely event, how will they work together ?

And will they wait until Trumpf is in the ground before they start negotiating ?

Which brings us to Barrett: now that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is actually in the ground, can Trumpf's choice for the Supreme Court be confirmed in time ?

And what if SHE gets the hoax virus ?

Don't you just love a circus ? I remember Jimmy Sharman's Troupe of (mostly Aboriginal) boxers very fondly. I had a friend from Darwin who was a boxer in that business.

Joe

Josephus,

So the policies of both Trumpf and Biden are not all that different ?

They both support American capitalist and (what we would call) liberal progress ? [Of course, coming from a pig-ignorant country like the US has temporarily become, you may define 'liberalism' very differently].

Neither one has the monopoly on patriotism ?

Both the Republicans AND the democrats support democracy and the American way ?

It's not some dopey Manichaean either/or ?

Is that what you are saying ?

Joe

Loudmouth2,
Trump did not say the corona virus was a hoax. It is false! You might want to believe what you say.

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
"Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax."

Did you watch the last link I gave?

Well said Saltpetre, Joe(LM2) and Foxy

Hi Paul1405

Yes, I dare say, Josephus would salute the upstanding Teutonic, nay Germanic, yodelling extolled in the "Aussie national anthem" at http://youtu.be/wGexgNKPl0k

"Thats napalm son. I love the sound of girt in the morning!"

True fact "girt / gird", that stuffs up our Anthem, mostly comes from German.

See http://www.etymonline.com/word/gird

"gird (v.)

Old English gyrdan "put a belt or girdle around; encircle; bind with flexible material; invest with attributes," from Proto-Germanic

*gurdjan (source also of Old Norse gyrða, Old Saxon gurdian, Old Frisian gerda, Dutch gorden, Old High German gurtan, German gürten)..."

'Trump did not say the corona virus was a hoax.'

don't worry Josephus Joe caught the tds a long time back. He matches cnn with half quotes, never any context and hatred. Just lovely to see the 73 year old overweight junk food addict not falling for the hysteria that has bankrupted nations. Seems like Trump has more energy and nous with coronavirus that his opponents hiding in bunkers. Notice chief hypocrite Cuomo (the one responsible for coronavirus in nursing homes) moaning on about Trumps recovery. Quite a circus!

During a Feb 28th 2020 campaign rally in South
Carolina Donald Trump likened the Democrats
criticism of his administration's response to
the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to
impeach him saying - "this is their new hoax" .
And, during the speech he also downplayed the
severity of the outbreak comparing it to the common
flu.

These comments on the coronavirus came before the
virus began killing people. It's now over 215,000
dead and rising.

The president's behaviour had not improved - only gotten
worse - putting even his staff and wife at risk as we've
seen.

Wow! what a man and leader?

Right.

cont'd ...

But then he also claimed there was no Russian collusion,
and his telephone conversation with the Ukrainian president
was just a "normal talk". Nothing to see. There or
anywhere else. The only liars are his accusers.

On the law of averages - what are the odds?

runner

Do you have Christian Sympathy for the Covid Dead?

Or does your inability to absorb new facts and arguments render you unable to question your prejudices?

For example http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ reveals 215,836

Covid deaths in the US.

Do you feel sorrow that if Trump had taken the same proactive anti-Covid measures as

Australia's PM more than 190,000 Americans would still be alive today?

Do you mourn those US Covid Dead?

plantagenet

'Do you have Christian Sympathy for the Covid Dead?

no more than a car accident, the murder of the unborn, a flu death, a cancer death, a murder. Life is certainly a risk.

Do you mourn those US Covid Dead?

a little hard to mourn for people you don't know. I however mourned a lady who committed suicide close to home and was only allowed 10 at her funeral while at the same time tens of thousands of marxist protested on the streets being encouraged by Premiers with a marxist bent. I mourned not being able to see my parents who are close to death due to Premiers playing politics. I mourned over relatives who spent a lifetime building a business only to have it shut down while not one public servant has lost a cent and the abc degenerates vote for pay rises. Yes every death is sad but I doubt one has been saved by the hysterical reactions of Governments wanting to lock healthy people up. Here in Australia the vast majority of deaths were caused by the totally incompetent Victorian Government and health officials.

One day you Trump hates might stop playing politics with the China virus but I won't be holding my breath. Your mate Cuomo's brother went out on the streets bike riding while invested with the virus only to criticise other people's actions. Really is sickening.

'Do you feel sorrow that if Trump had taken the same proactive anti-Covid measures as

Australia's PM more than 190,000 Americans would still be alive today?'

Only a gullible fool would believe that plantagenet. So you finally agree that the Democrats calling Trump racist and xenophobic for stopping flights from China was the lowest most stupid statements of 2020. And as for Nancy's invite to Chinese festivals in New York and slimy Cuomo sending covid into old people's homes. Trump has done an outstanding job and even Fauci said so until he changed his mind again and again and again! tds should not give you a licence to lie but it comes with the syndrome.

runner

You clearly feel No Sympathy for the Covid Dead.

Thankyou for your thoughtless, evasive replies.

runner,

Trump Obsession Syndrome is worse - it's
inexcusable - and has dire consequences.

Foxy,
Well, you for one are obsessed with anything Trump !

Foxy,

You are suffering from Trumpitis.

Inject yourself twice daily with dishwashing detergent for three days, then get your husband to drive you around the block several times where you can wave to your fans, and then go home and say something like "Trumpitis is hell!"

Trump, manic fron steroids, sings "MY CORONA" song http://youtu.be/EIi9N_tcNt0

Runner,

Is not COMPASSION a dictum of Christianity, for you to say "(Sympathy for the Covid Dead) a little hard to mourn for people you don't know." Either you do not understand the meaning of the word mourn. or like Trump you have no compassion for those, through no fault of their own have died or be sickened by this disease. Maybe you should look into your ideas of Christianity, and see where you are going wrong.

Individual,

I am not obsessed with anything "Trump".
I am saddened by what America has become
under this man who is totally unfit for
the office of US President.

Foxy,

From Trumpf's point of view, as a psychopath, he's fought and beaten this flu-like disease, like Superman or Batman would, not like those 210,000 losers and suckers. Compassion is for wimps.

27 days to go and this worthless mongrel is out on his arse. Can't wait.

But once Biden is the President, he will have a huge job to finally co-ordinate all fifty states. etc., just when everybody over there is really pissed off with any sort of restrictions. But I can't see any alternative to a month- or six-week (or longer, with outbreaks) lock-down. For Europe too.

On the virus outbreak at the White House: clearly, nobody is immune. During the Black Plague in the 1350s (well, for a couple of centuries actually), the entire London Council members died on the same day. A third of Europe - but of course, the wealthy could retreat to their country estates, where Boccaccio could write his 'Decameron' in safety.

Joe

runner

While you have no sympathy for today's Covid Dead, you might feel safer feeling sympathy

for Australian troops who died in World War One. Many then died of "Spanish" flu.

Here's a song about that. If it doesn't move you, you've lost your soul http://youtu.be/oL2U6QX49DQ

Foxy,

Please retract your comment that Trump is totally unfit for the presidency.

Haven't you heard that he has been cured of the COVID-19 virus in just 3 days. He definitely had to be a fit president to do that.

So he is quite healthy and ready to go.

we know Paul and plantagenet, only the left have compassion. Unless of course you are a baby in a womb or a conservative. You guys are absolutely pathetic.

MO,

How did the Trumpster do it?
He obviously received antibody-active plasma transfusions courtesy of his super-duper world-class super-hero medical team of course.

Trump - super hero?
Not a chance.

(Now, if Joe Biden could get some of the same? Whoosh! Giant Killer!)

Now, if Trump had offered the same level of service to the poor old rest of the mob?
Joe would have.
Trump of course left everyone else to their own devices – and to their own fates.
Virus – what virus?
I’m all right, Jack.

Trump? He's the Man - of Me, Myself, I, persuasion!
Lovely, tell your mother.

the haters are out as Trump again proves the hysterical reaction to the China virus by the Democrats is totally flawed. First they said 2 million deaths despite the who saying their was no human to human transmission. Trump again exposing the perpetual lies of the left. Is Hilary going gaol for making up the Russian Collusion hoax?

Runner,

I'm not sure if you are a fool or a liar. You surely know better than your twisted assertions.

Only 27 days to go, and then Trumpf can be consigned to the sewerage ponds of history.

Joe

Come on man (Joe). Don't be so upset that a 74 year old junk food lover who is overweight shrugged off the virus like many others do. Don't forget the 230000 or so died with covid rather than from it (you know like car accidents, cancer, diabetes. tds does trigger the worse of you JOe. Even accusing me of lying for stating the facts.

HOORAY! HARRIS WINS VICE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE :)

CNN Reports http://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/07/politics/mike-pence-kamala-harris-vice-presidential-debate-poll/index.html

"Post-debate CNN poll: Harris seen as winner in a contest that matched expectations"

More Americans said Sen. Kamala Harris did the best job in the vice presidential debate Wednesday night, according to a CNN Instant Poll of registered voters who watched. About 6 in 10 (59%) said Harris won, while 38% said Vice President Mike Pence had the better night...

Harris did improve her favorability rating among those who watched, according to the poll, while for Pence, the debate was a wash. In pre-debate interviews, 56% said they had a positive view of Harris. that rose to 63% after the debate. For Pence, his favorability stood at 41% in both pre- and post-debate interviews.

Harris' numbers went up among men (from 49% favorable before to 56% afterward) and women (from 63% favorable before to 70% post-debate), and she even boosted her favorability rating among Trump supporters (from 4% favorable pre-debate to 12% after).

Pence's numbers held steady among men and women (50% of men had a favorable view in both pre- and post-debate interviews, among women it was 33% pre-debate and 32% after).

As after the first presidential debate, though, most voters who watched said Wednesday's event hasn't changed their minds about whom to support. Overall, 55% say it had no effect on how they are likely to vote, while those who did choose a side tilted narrowly toward Joe Biden.

Both vice presidential candidates are broadly seen as qualified to be president...

Most debate watchers said Harris did the better job defending her running mate (64% Harris to 34% Pence), that she seemed more focused on uniting the country (62% to 34%), was more in touch with the needs and problems of people like you (61% to 38%) and that she expressed her views more clearly (57% to 39%).

Most said Pence spent more time attacking his opponent (56%) than thought the same of Harris (36%)..."

Hi Planty,

I'm not one for the politics of America, but I see Mike Pence as a better alternative to Trump. We can only imagine his inner thoughts regarding his Fearless Leader. Being vice-president gives him the inside running to mount a challenge for the top job in four years time. From a future standpoint Pence has everything to gain and nothing to lose from this election. Kamala Harris, did square off with Pence very well today, her future position is also good, although she will be counting on a Biden win to cement her prospects as a future president, possibly within about two years. For Harris the "woman of colour" is a drawback in the predominantly redneck southern and mid-west states.

After his "outstanding success" with the first presidential debate Diseased Donald is refusing to participate in a second debate.

Has anyone noticed how quite the Forums band of Trumpets have become since The Donald's laughable antics of the past week or so began.
Where are you Jose', mhaze, ttbn, Hassy, Indy, at least runner is still rattling the bars of his cage from time to time.

what America has become under this man
Foxy,
So, you're holding Trump responsible for what the Left is doing ? Are you for real ?

Paul1405,

Maybe we're underestimating Trump's true altruism and empathy for others.

Maybe he just doesn't want the spread the 'fake news' about his 'fake infection' any further than what he already has.

He's what Scott Morrison would call a 'great man'.

Paul1405,

Hassy aka Phil is hiding somewhere.

I asked him to tell us what planes he flew and which aircraft carrier he served on and I haven't seen him since.

But I'm still holding my breath for a reply. BUT NOT FOR MUCH LONGER PHIL !

Individual,

You ask "Are you for real?"

What I am pointing out is sadly what's
happening in America is very real.
And very sad.

Hi Paul,

After Trumpf didn't get his way in the first debate by bullying and bluster, I suspect (since I love conspiracy theories) that he faked his piddly illness, with the connivance of his doctors, but hasn't realised yet that (if he claims that it was the Covid-virus), it means he has to stay in quarantine, at least until after the second debate is scheduled to be finished.

Ergo, a debate by Zoom. But that means that a moderator can easily switch him off and give Biden a go.

Hmmmm, OR it all means that Trumpf is sh.t-scared of that button, and deliberately cooked up this fake flu scare to avoid having to take his proper turn.

But maybe all that fake flu was for nothing. Surely he's dumber than a bucket of rocks.

Only 26 days to go :)

Joe

Hey runner

One of Trump's dream Covid cures is the product of an Abortion.

"Since being discharged from hospital, [Trump] claimed that being infected with COVID-19 was a "blessing from God".

[Trump] claimed the experimental, but promising, treatment he received was as good as a "cure",

perhaps not realising the antibody cocktail was developed with cells originally derived from fetal

tissue a practice considered abhorrent to much of his base...."

MORE AT http://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/mike-pence-debate-performance-didnt-help-donald-trump/12743598

I've been away for a while had small surgery on my face with 11 stiches.

The treatment Trump was given he suggested should be given to 100,000 cases.

http://www.vox.com/2020/10/3/21499881/trump-covid-19-remdesivir-treatment-coronavirus-symptoms
Trump was authorized by doctors to use the monoclonal cocktail under compassionate use guidelines. Regeneron has said its research so far has found the treatment, known as REGN-COV2, to reduce symptoms and the presence of the virus in those with Covid-19. Regeneron’s research has yet to be peer-reviewed, Irfan notes, so it is difficult to know how well REGN-COV2 actually works.

For now, the president has only had a single dose of the experimental treatment before beginning the more routine treatment of remdesivir. Conley said Trump is also taking some vitamins and supplements, including vitamin D, which White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci has recommended taking in order to reduce “susceptibility to infection.”

Josephus,

What on earth are you talking about?

Why would doctors give medicine to Trump for an infection he does not have?

Opinion, You are the class idiot.

Josephus,

Everyone knows that Trump was feigning a WuFlu infection.

It takes 6 weeks to recover, not 3 days.

Understand? Savvy? Capisce?

Next thing you will be telling us that he was seen walking on water.

But Mr Opinion

If, as Trump says, Covid is like mild flu, Trump can fully return to the Campaign Trail, like he is

isn't he?

Donald has been secretly campaigning in the battleground-swing States to prove what he says, is true.

“Regeneron has received $450 million from the US government for up to 300,000 doses of the dual-antibody cocktail, and the company has said those supplies would be distributed free of charge.”

Guess what. TRUMP'S GRANDFATHER DIED OF SPANISH FLU

While Trump claims he is a winner, who has heroically beaten his Covid, Trump has neglected to say his grandfather died from an earlier pandemic. Another virus like Trump's "mild flu".

"on May 29, 1918, while walking [Donald's Grandfather, Frederick Trump] suddenly felt extremely sick and was rushed to bed. The next day, he was dead. What was first diagnosed as pneumonia turned out to be one of the early cases of the Spanish flu" see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump#Later_life_and_death

Poor dead Fred.

Donald Trump has concealed the fact that mere mortal blood flows through his winning, super human, genius body.

How hard is it to deny you support White supreme groups that vote for you. When Antifa support Joe Biden http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGrHF-su9v8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR28WPoStlezzbsd38JhJzpJTIb2_6yv7TOCCAFJdx

TRUMP ANNOUNCES FINAL CAMPAIGN BRIEFING

Sad downfall of an American Leader http://youtu.be/71MPsqS7tCk :)

Dear Pete,

Thanks for the link.

Brilliant!

But sad - 'çause its spot on.

How the hell were things allowed to get to this point?

Well might we ask.

Only in America?

Who's Pete?

Has Trump completed his Mission to the American people?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000

Trump's only mission is to himself.
And his actions are only concerned with
staying in power - 4EVA!

Foxy & Pete,

Fascinating NYT article on the Trump Swamp:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/10/us/trump-properties-swamp.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20201010&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=127104467&segment_id=40557&user_id=35fd54d942ac9b9e288ef933afd6d6f5

Really, are we surprised ?

Joe

Dear Joe,

I guess we shouldn't be surprised but it still
is amazing stuff - beyond anything seen before.

Loudmouth2,
where is the criminal evidence Trump did something illegal. None!

Whereas Hillary is a swamp criminal http://2020dirtsheet.com/hillary-clinton-is-about-to-face-trial-here-is-why-she-will-be-found-guilty/
http://theduran.com/hillary-clinton-exposed-by-fresh-e-mails-and-is-looking-guilty-as-sin-video/
"Please keep in mind that this is the woman who instructed Joe Biden not to concede the upcoming election “no matter what happens.” Coming from a woman who is quite literally the death of many naysayers, it would seem apparent that there is a Plan. It would further seem apparent that Hillary knows the Plan and is a big part of it."

http://nypost.com/2020/10/06/spy-chief-releases-docs-on-claim-hillary-clinton-cooked-up-russia-scandal/
National Intelligence Director John Ratcliffe on Tuesday declassified documents about a claim Hillary Clinton ordered “a campaign plan to stir up a scandal” by linking President Trump to Russia in 2016 — and that indicate then-President Barack Obama knew about her possible role.

http://www.sebgorka.com/a-full-list-of-hillary-clintons-crimes/

Who is Pete?

Hi Mr Op

I have no idea.

But Pete's fair minded, CENTRIST, political modesty, might only be exceeded by his good looks :)

TRUMP MAY WIN - IF HIS SWING STATE CAMPAIGHNING IS SUCCESSFUL

Trump is risking his Covid-ridden health as America's leader by speaking, without a mask, at crowded meetings in Swing States in the next few days.

Although Trump is well behind overall, HE MAY STILL WIN, if he wins over the Swing States:

See http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6958830/has-covid-19-transformed-the-us-election/ of October 10, 2020:

[Although] "The most respected poll-trackers [ AT http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/ ]

put Mr Biden on 52 per cent support from likely voters against Mr Trump's 42 per cent, the biggest lead by the Democrat since July."

...Under the American system, the winner needs to succeed in a few states which swing one way or the other.

..."After a couple of strong polls for Joe Biden in Pennsylvania

- the state that's currently most likely to decide the election - Trump now trails there by five or six points.

"He's down by about seven points in Michigan and Wisconsin, meanwhile.

"Those states, along with Minnesota, Maine and New Hampshire

- where Biden has also polled strongly lately - suggest that Biden is winning back some of the Obama-Trump white working-class voters who flocked to Trump four years ago."

[other SWING STATES wing aka Battleground aka Toss-up on this Electoral Map http://www.270towin.com/maps/biden-trump-polling-map States are Indiana, North Carolina, Iowa, Arizona, Georgia, Texas and Florida]
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http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/6958830/has-covid-19-transformed-the-us-election/ adds:

THERE ARE ROUTES TO VICTORY FOR MR TRUMP if he wins in particular combinations of states, but it is unlikely. His route is uphill."

60 minutes on Joe Biden's sexual behaviour including Rape.

http://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/10/04/60-minutes-tells-joe-biden-accuser-tara-reades-story-australia/

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzJXNzqz6VMHSNInQt_7q6w?feature=emb_imp_rc

Howdy Doody Proud Boy Jose'

Just a catch up. Now, what's the 'Proud Boys' connection to the 'Wolverine Watchmen'? Seems the Proud Boys and the 'Wolverine Watchmen' have very much the same philosophy, many things in common, guns, white supremacy, strong nationalism, pro male etc etc big supporters of Donald Trump. You bang on about domestic terrorism, claiming it all down to the leftists. What do you have to say about the actions of a far right mob in Michigan, and how does that relate to Trumps call for white supremacists to "stand down and stand by"? Could that be "misconstrued" by far right fanatics, to be at the ready, fully armed as citizen militia to take action if "necessary", what kind of action could that involve?

Love to hear your take on all this my good fella!

Plantagenet,

So you know Pete well ?

Paul,

Yes, I'm very concerned that the extreme right might launch armed insurrections against state administrations that they don't like, in the lead-up to the election, and especially in the days before and after the election, even more so if Trumpf doesn't get an Electoral College majority.

In other words, I fear that the US is in for actions in support of a right-wing coup d'etat in support of Trumpf. And of course, some
African-American groups have also armed themselves in defence, so it could be on for young and old, very unstable times.

OTOH, we can only hope that the standard electoral rules can be effectively applied, that whoever gets a majority of Electoral College votes is the designated President, no ifs or buts.

Joe

Hi Joe(lm2)

Re "Plantagenet, So you know Pete well ?"

Well I hear Pete exceeds Magilla Gorilla in all the most crucial respects, ie:

"Full of charm and appeal
Handsome
Elegant
Intelligent
Sweet"

in fact:

"He's really ideal"

Check out his theme song at http://youtu.be/o9j7zwDg-S0

Confused? Me Tarzan, planta, Pete, and Magilla hope so :)

Hi Pete,

I accidentally got onto this one too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg

Always instructive.

Joe