ttbn, that would put Mao in the same league as the leaders Johnson and Nixon, who had millions murdered (in Vietnam) for ideological reasons, I wont disagree with that.

What? American presidents murdered millions of fellow Americans, in their own country, for ideological reasons, like Mao. You really are stupid!

except from a handful of the most gutless who think it's not worth the effort.
loudmouth2,
yes, like all those limp labor voters who are against a National Service !

Bad comprehension there ttbn, I said in Vietnam, do you think those they had murdered might have mostly been Vietnamese, only 50,000 Americans dead there, nothing to see. American Presidents don't murder fellow Americans, well only in Civil Wars, there Abe Lincoln murdered over 600,000 fellow Americans, could add the number of Native Americans US presidents had murdered, well over a million. Did you know since its inception in 1776 the US has been involved in 68 wars and conflicts, more than any other nation, more than the Poms and that's saying something.

Did you know 6 Americans died in the Greek Civil War 1945-49. Never one to miss an opportunity are they. They also fought in the First Sumatran Expedition (1832) where 2 Americans were killed, can't say how they went in the Second Sumatran Expedition, no score to my knowledge. Gee, when it comes to making war the Americans are only out done by the Romans, and it took them about 1,000 years to notch up a million dead.

Just so you know, I see all wars as state sanctioned murder. Stupid is the man who agrees with war and the killing of the innocent.

Indy, you said your idea of National Service was non military, now you are talking about nasho's resisting a Chinese invasion.

Joe, what concerns me is Australia's recent attempts at toothpick rattling with the Chinese, we don't have a sabre to rattle. The Chinese view anything Australia says as simply the mouthing of US China policy by a flunky nation. Australia is in an invidious position when it comes to China. Being so heavily reliant on Chinese trade, and yet clearly politically opposed, which requires a high degree of diplomacy on our part. I had hoped after Vietnam and some good China initiatives by the Whitlam government in the early 70's Australia would move towards a far more non aligned position on the world stage, but unfortunately that was not to be the case.

Paul,

Only the very thick keep on displaying their idiocy. You excel at it.