Chinese virologist, Dr. Li- Meng Yan, has told Fox News that the China virus was definitely produced in a laboratory in Whuhan, and that the Communist government is responsible for the deliberate release of it.

ttbn,
is this Dr still among the living after that statement ?

individual,

She was yesterday. But, living in Hong Kong, she could be in big trouble. Of course, the CCP is so brazen now that it probably doesn't care about being exposed.

I didn't always believe it but the Murdoch press generally is doing great work atm to highlight issues. Not perfect but better than most.

If I had such a virus, then I would not be deliberately releasing it unless I had something stronger ready to back it up. It just makes no sense to waste one's only round of ammunition like that.

So we may never know the truth about this and hopefully never will for that knowledge would only come at a very painful cost.

Meanwhile, the obvious precautions are:
1) Complete physical isolation from China and any other country that stays connected with it. Australians, including diplomats, should be given one month to evacuate themselves from China, after which they would need to quarantine for a whole year if they even find a way back home.
2) Having equivalent weapons ready, if necessary, so the CCP knows that if they try to unleash their next virus then human life in China will become extinct.

Yuyutsu,

What idiots would release a virus without already having trialled a vaccine thoroughly on their own people, and produced a workable and safe vaccine ? The CCP leadership is not that dopey.

Like you say, why waste such a powerful weapon, their one and only chance of wiping out the entire populations of hostile countries, if it comes back on them and the3y have no remedy ?

But no worries, it will all go away, perhaps by next Easter. And anyway, it's all a hoax. And anyway, more people die of the flu. And anyway, more people die of road accidents. And anyway, young people don't get it. And anyway, .........

Joe

Nothing would surprise me.

But I doubt that even the CCP could be that cruel or stupid.

I don't think they would release it in China deliberately, but then
I remember they had a one child policy because they cannot cope with
their large population. They might be worried what would happen in
China in case of climate driven food shortages.
Knock off all the old people.
Might cause collapse of the Chinese government.

Some people still have the quaint idea that the CCP cares about Chinese people as anything but a means to an end. Knocking a few of the billion plus population over is nothing to them. The new Red Emporers are mad, evil people.

.... release a virus without already having trialled a vaccine thoroughly on their own people,
Loudmouth2,
How'd you know they didn't have that ? They're Chinese not Oz labor voters !

It would be more logical if one claimed a foreign power Orangeland with a tutti-frutti leader with orange hair who came to power with a promise of "make oranges great again" (down with bananas) created the virus. With Orangeland, badly losing the economic war with China, millions of Oranges rotting on the trees etc, unleashes its new weapon on the supposedly unsuspecting Chinese in the vain hope of stuffing up their economy. China having a first class spy network in the form of Tic Tok is well ahead of the game, and have measures in place to minimise the Orangeman's attack. Unfortunately thing go wrong for The Orangeman, and the attacker becomes the attackee. The Orangeman is booted out on his arse by the Orange people, and replaced by Colonel Sanders grandfather Bernie with a promise to collectives all the orchards, giving a bigger share of the juice back to the Oranges. AND we then all return to La La Land, for a well deserved nanny nap. End of story.

FOULmouth,

I think you would sacrifice your own life to protect China. You Melburnian Maoist pie-makers are all the same.

The scuttlebutt I got some months ago is saying that the WuFlu virus was in fact engineered. Apparently combined researchers in the Five Eyes countries have discovered that it is distinct from other members of the SARS family of viruses and has genetic and evolutionary characteristics that do not develop naturally.

So yes, it does appear that the WuFlu virus might in fact be a biological weapon developed by the Chinese that for some reason got out of control.

During WWII, both sides worked on developing crude germ warfare. Japing did use biological weapons against the Chinese.

"Between 1932 and 1945 Japan experiments included testing biological weapons on humans, and attacked 11 Chinese cities with biological weapons. The Japanese, as the US learned at the end of World War II, had been making significant progress learning about traditional biological warfare agents like botulism and anthrax."

The US continued the development of biological weapons at least up until the 1960's, when chemical weapons as used in Vietnam became their weapon of choice against innocent civilians.

Mao deliberately murdered millions of Chinese people for ideological reasons. Xi is an unapologetic admirer of Mao. There is no sign of humanity in the creature. He will kill as many of his own as he needs to to demonstrate to the rest of the world what he is capable of. He has already started by 'disappearing' anyone he sees as a threat to his reign. Wuhan was just another demonstration. Unless the West shows some backbone and determination, there is worse to come.

ttbn,

I don't believe the Wuhan WuFlu accident was deliberate as you do.

Something went wrong and the Chinese don't want the world to find out what happened.

But I do believe the scuttlebutt I got several months ago that the WuFlu virus was engineered and that it looks like it might have been developed as a biological weapon.

FOULmouth and Foxy don't want people talking about it because if true it might undermine the Asianization process (aka Australian Multiculturalism) in Australia and destroy many of the gains made during the Great Asianization Period (1980-2020) in Australian history.

Misopinionated,

I'm not sure what you've got against pie-making. It's a noble profession that many Arts graduates have taken up. Even Omar Khayyam:

'A jug of wine, a heap of pies,
And thou ..... '
Beside me singing in the Wilderness—
O, Wilderness were Paradise enow!'

Foulmouth

FOULmouth,

Do you mind not throwing red herrings up when I'm at my best: objective and unbiased.

Misopinionated,

I look forward to whenever you choose to be objective and unbiased :)

But I'm an old man, please hurry.

Joe

FOULmouth,

You'll be waiting a long time.

I'm the guy you can hearing chuckling to myself just before I push the 'Post comment' button.

FOULmouth,

Anyone you know?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54213041

Misop,

I wouldn't be surprised if many people are using their positions and expertise to pass on secrets to China, to Russia, and to other countries. I suppose the Brits will have to give this bloke a fair trial before they shoot him, which is more than he'd get in China.

Joe

FOULmouth,

How many Chinese agents and operatives are in Australia?

I think you would agree that the Scott Morrison has now recognised the problem but unfortunately it is too late to do anything about it except smile and say "Ni hao mate!"

Misopinionated,

No, I don't think Australians are as piss-weak as you think. The Chinese military - and it would have to use them if it was to try to invade Australia - would face enormous resistance, except from a handful of the most gutless who think it's not worth the effort.

Joe

FOULmouth,

I don't think you would say that if you visited Sydney.

Sydnesiders just can't get enough of China and there are Chinese everywhere you go.

In fact a lot of people in Sydney actually believe that being Chinese is superior and can actually speak Chinese. And some areas have a population of 90% Chinese.

Nope, I reckon you're wrong. I reckon they would get very upset if the govt starts checking up on them questioning their loyalty.

So smile and say "Ni hao mate!" and you'll have a friend wherever you go in Sydney because without doubt Sydney is Australia's first Chinese city.

ttbn, that would put Mao in the same league as the leaders Johnson and Nixon, who had millions murdered (in Vietnam) for ideological reasons, I wont disagree with that.

What? American presidents murdered millions of fellow Americans, in their own country, for ideological reasons, like Mao. You really are stupid!

except from a handful of the most gutless who think it's not worth the effort.
loudmouth2,
yes, like all those limp labor voters who are against a National Service !

Bad comprehension there ttbn, I said in Vietnam, do you think those they had murdered might have mostly been Vietnamese, only 50,000 Americans dead there, nothing to see. American Presidents don't murder fellow Americans, well only in Civil Wars, there Abe Lincoln murdered over 600,000 fellow Americans, could add the number of Native Americans US presidents had murdered, well over a million. Did you know since its inception in 1776 the US has been involved in 68 wars and conflicts, more than any other nation, more than the Poms and that's saying something.

Did you know 6 Americans died in the Greek Civil War 1945-49. Never one to miss an opportunity are they. They also fought in the First Sumatran Expedition (1832) where 2 Americans were killed, can't say how they went in the Second Sumatran Expedition, no score to my knowledge. Gee, when it comes to making war the Americans are only out done by the Romans, and it took them about 1,000 years to notch up a million dead.

Just so you know, I see all wars as state sanctioned murder. Stupid is the man who agrees with war and the killing of the innocent.

Indy, you said your idea of National Service was non military, now you are talking about nasho's resisting a Chinese invasion.

Joe, what concerns me is Australia's recent attempts at toothpick rattling with the Chinese, we don't have a sabre to rattle. The Chinese view anything Australia says as simply the mouthing of US China policy by a flunky nation. Australia is in an invidious position when it comes to China. Being so heavily reliant on Chinese trade, and yet clearly politically opposed, which requires a high degree of diplomacy on our part. I had hoped after Vietnam and some good China initiatives by the Whitlam government in the early 70's Australia would move towards a far more non aligned position on the world stage, but unfortunately that was not to be the case.

Paul,

Only the very thick keep on displaying their idiocy. You excel at it.

ttbn, where do you stand on state sanctioned murder? Instead of some pissweak attack on me, how about a decent reply, or do you have no creditable answer as per usual.

Yes Paul, many died in the US civil war, but you never hear the BLM
acknowledge that the main objective was to free the slaves.
All these wars usually have multiple causes including as per the UK
declaration of war on Germany in 1939.
I doubt the Poles would criticise it.

Hi Bazz,

Do you mean like this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8744243/BLM-activists-toppled-statue-slave-trader-Edward-Colston-let-police-cautions.html

That sort of thing ? What would you expect BLM people to do, now that the enslavement of Africans for the sugar and tobacco fields of the americas, is over ? Keep talking, and complaining, about it ? They would probably agree with you.

Joe

Bazz, some will argue freeing of the slaves was a consequence of the American Civil War, not an objective of the Union. "The Emancipation Proclamation Act of January 1, 1863, applied only to enslaved people in the Confederacy, and not to those in the border states that remained loyal to the Union. It was a political manoeuvre to ferment rebellion and crush the Confederacy. If Lincoln could have preserved the Union and maintained slavery he would have, just as freeing the slaves was a way to restore the Union through military objectives.

Following the Civil War slavery in the South was replaced by the 13th amendment to the American Constitution allowing for slavery in the form of penal servitude, which was wholeheartedly embraced by Southern States, the wrongs of which were ignored by Federal authorities. The last black "peon" was freed in 1942, the real end of American slavery.

Unfortunately many on here have a view of American history as portrayed by John Wayne in some Yankee Doddle Dandy Hollywood movie of the 1950's or 60's. Well sorry to disappoint chaps, but that account you were sucked in by all them years ago may not be the whole truth, in fact it might be a pack of lies.

Paul1405,

Talking about Hollywood have you noticed that the Chinese have been trying to buy it up.

The result has been that some of the Chinese financed movies coming out of Hollywood have more to do with Chinese propaganda than entertainment.

Maybe I could get an Oscar for pointing that out.

Foxy, FOULmouth, david f, and others in the pro-China camp, will remonstrate that what I just said is anti-Asianization propaganda per se with the aim of turning back the clock on the Great Asianization Period (1980-2020) in Australian history.

Being the highly educated and sophisticated person that I am I have only one thing to say to them on that matter: "Phooey to you!"

Paul, I am not very knowledgeable about US history details on slavery.
I know that slavery in European & Nth & Sth America was ended because
of cheap energy provided by coal & steam.
It also changed the farming system in England.

Bazz,

I think slavery wasn't officially ended in South America until the mid-20th century.

That's a hell of a long time since machines were introduced to replace human labour!

So I don't think coal brought down slavery in Brazil. Try reading a few more history and sociology books or aren't they good enough for you because you already know it anyway.

Misop,

Concerning slavery in Brasil, from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Americas

" .... Slavery was legally ended nationwide on 13 May by the Lei Áurea ("Golden Law") of 1888. It was an institution in decadence at these times, as since the 1880s the country had begun to use European immigrant labor instead. Brazil was the last nation in the Western Hemisphere to abolish slavery.[ ....."

And interestingly, "The Republic of Ragusa [Dubrovnik, Croatia] became the first European country to ban the slave trade in 1416." (Op. Cit.)

Joe

FOULmouth,

I recall reading somewhere that slavery wasn't eradicated in a part of Brazil until mid-20th century and by the looks of the article I found today it is still being practised in Brazil:

http://brazilian.report/society/2019/11/28/precisao-documentary-face-modern-slavery-brazil/

Bazz, Lincoln was defiantly an anti-slaver, but he wasn't an abolitionist in the mould of a John Brown, there was no holy crusade on Lincoln's part to free the slaves. If things had gone to plan militarily for the North in the early part of the war then there would have been no need for the proclamation of 1863. The election of Lincoln was defiantly a blow for the traditional slave states and their desire to extend slavery into new territories, which Lincoln opposed. Southern allegiance to their individual states was a big factor in bring on the civil war. Most Southerners had no great affinity with the United States as such, but rather with their particular state.

Paul1405,

Lincoln did not like slavery but he was still willing not to introduce a bill for the emancipation of slaves if the South returned to the Union because he wanted a united America more than he wanted freedom for the slaves.

He gave the South a choice: Keep your slavery but without the hope of acquiring any future slave states and re-enter the Union OR don't return to the Union and have total warfare. The South chose the latter, lost the war, was forced to re-enter the Union, and has never got over it.

Slavery of course, and the ABC tonight demonstrated it, has never ended.
However industrialisation introduced industries that would never be
adaptable to slavery.
However open slave markets still exist in some Nth African countries.
Of course slavery in a more modern form is well established in the
west of China. It makes a good reason to ban trade with China.
The UN is obsolete because China has the veto.

Totally agree Mr O, Lincoln did not want war, and it wasn't popular in the North, particularly after a few defeats. If allowing slavery to continue in the South would preserve the Union, then slavery would have continued. World opinion may well have seen slavery end in the 1880's or 90's in America. The agricultural base of the South could have easily continued with poorly paid black works. As slaves were by far the biggest single asset owned by a very wealthy elite of Southerners, the question of loss of property rights would have come up at some stage, and maybe Federal compensation would have solved that problem.

After Gettysburg, riots in New York by mostly poor Irish immigrants seen wealthy whites driven from their homes, and black institutions, a school, and a hospital burned, several blacks were lynched in the streets by the mob. Federal troops were brought in to restore order, reports at the time put the death toll at several hundred. Before the war the Northern elite had also grown fat indirectly from slavery, northern industry had prospered, banking, insurance, transportation were all tied to slavery. The ships that took cotton and other crops from the South to Europe on the return voyage would bring slaves from West Africa. Many of these ships were owned, financed and insured by Northerner's. New slave auctions took place in Washington and other northern cities.

The Civil War in no way economically freed the black, just the opposite, at the outbreak of the Great Depression living standards for Blacks in the rural south were the same as they had been in pre civil war days, that's when they were slaves.

Bazz, look at the position of women in Afghanistan, they are seen as men's property, nothing more, they have no rights, this is true in several Arab states. I watched something on the ABC which said that only recently women in Afghanistan had been given the right to have their name included on a child's birth certificate, not just the fathers. Women are denied property rights, they are officially left out of everything. Women who even mildly protest these abuses, risk imprisonment, beatings etc. Was it Saudi Arabia that made the great leap forward recently and said women can drive a car?

Children sold into slavery in African diamond mines. Much of the physical slavery has gone from the world, but economic slavery flourishes in many third world countries. Million of people world wide are economically enslaved. Even in Australia some people are literally owned by the banks! Well maybe not literally but close enough.

Paul1405,

Yes it is very complex. There was a lot more to the story than just freeing slaves from Southern bondage.

Interesting that the vast majority of slaves were owned by the small class of Southern 'aristocrats' and not the hoi polloi so what were the everyday people fighting for if it was not to protect their property in the form of slaves?

I assume they feared that their towns and communities would be inundated by masses of freed slaves if the elites could not contain them on the plantations and their livelihoods would be affected by having to compete with cheap labour. Effectively it would be a case of emancipation becoming a Southern white man's burden.

You excel at it.
ttbn,
I'd like to move a motion to award him/it the Gold medal for it !

individual,

It wouldn't be so bad if he actually argued on the subject, not all the irrelevant rubbish that has nothing to do with it. How Lincoln and the Vietnam war has anything to do with with the release of the virus, or Communism slaughtering it's own people is seen only by another crank, Mr. Opinion.

Mr O, The Donald said President Andrew Jackson was greatly concerned about the American Civil War, too bad Jackson died 16 years before the war began. AND, The Donald makes out Joe Biden has dementia! I'm a bit concerned about the Vice-President, Mike Pence, given what a dumbdick the President is, and Pence is only his assistant. A bit like the best job you can get is as Ronald Mcdonald's understudy.

Paul1405,
Are you the last of the "oooh, me Doodle" birds ?

Paul;
Re moslem women, just about the worse possible act that can be committed
in the moslem world is honor killing.
Pakistan appears to be the worse for this "custom".
Imagine killing your daughter or sister because she was seen spending
some time talking with a boy.
Not even kissing him, perhaps at worse just touching hands.
We consider Saudi Arabia to be way out, but compared to Pakistan it is a model of liberalism.

Forgive me, but I have to ask a question:

In Australia, states have struggled to develop efficient means of tracing those people who may have passed on the virus. NSW and other states seems to have it down pat: whenever there are new positive cases, teams of skilled professionals get to work to trace how and who that person may have contracted the virus from - and who they may have passed it onto, i.e. who now has to get tested, and isolated.

So my question in relation to the US, with its forty thousand new cases each day:

* do the states in the US have effective systems of contact tracing ?

Or are new cases simply recorded, and that's it ? New cases of the virus are dealt with, put in isolation, etc., but there's little or no interest - or ability - to track how cases, and from whom, may have been contracted.

This sounds unbelievable. But I don't think I've ever seen any mention of contact tracing in America. If this is so, then they are really, really in trouble.

I hope I'm wrong.

Joe

Forgive me, but I have to ask a question:

In Australia, states have struggled to develop efficient means of tracing those people who may have passed on the virus. NSW and other states seems to have it down pat: whenever there are new positive cases, teams of skilled professionals get to work to trace how and who that person may have contracted the virus from - and who they may have passed it onto, i.e. who now has to get tested.

So my question in relation to the US, with its forty thousand new cases each day:

* do the states in the US have effective systems of contact tracing ?

Or are new cases simply recorded, and that's it ? New cases of the virus are dealt with, put in isolation, etc., but there's little or no interest - or ability - to track how cases, and from whom, may have been contracted.

This sounds unbelievable. But I don't think I've ever seen any mention of contact tracing in America. If this is so, then they are really, really in trouble.

I hope I'm wrong.

Joe

I went into a cafe the other day and had to sign a sheet with the time
date etc and phone number. While talking to the lady serving me I
asked if they enter the information into their computer, well yes but
it seems there is website it goes into.
So guessing from that point into a database where if someone tests
positive the Dept inputs where they have been and the time a search
would produce a list of people to test.
Anyone know if that is how it works ?

Bazz,

Yes I know how it works. All of your details are sent straight to Beijing where they will assign a number and threat category against your name and arrange for one of the millions of Chinese in Australia to keep an eye on you.

When you walked into that cafe you unknowingly took 20 years off your life.

Bazz, the shackles placed on women in particular by organised religions, I see why god is defiantly a man. Monotheism religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have much to answer for. Some adherents to all three of these religions can at times be rather intolerant, hateful, nasty people and nothing is more evident of that than among some of the most devout within Islam. The problems arise when religion is used as a political weapon to suppress and control the majority by way of perverting their thinking through that religion. The first thing the religious elite do to take control is subvert education of the mass by denying it to the majority, particularly females, but males as well, keeping them ignorant will keep them poor, and then control through religion is possible, Christianity did it extensively in the past, but as the necessity for modern education become the norm, Christianity lost much of it political influence, although it still has a significant say in the largest Christian country, America. Today the state of Israel, often has difficulty enacting secular laws giving equality in the face of fundamental orthodox religious opposition. The orthodox are fighting a losing battle in my opinion because of the high levels of education within that state, religion cannot defeat education.

It is interesting if you look at another great "religion" of the World, Buddhism, and its approach to the problems of humanity as opposed to that of the monotheism religions. Buddhism although somewhat conservative has an entirely different approach with entirely different (good) outcomes.

At the moment I am brushing up my reading on Christianity, Geoffrey Blainey, 'A Short History of Christianity' makes for a good start, its anything but "short", and a couple of other books as well.

Paul1405,
So, all your knowledge is from reading books ? All clear to us now ! Suspected it since Day 1 but now you confirmed it personally !

Indy, reading books is only part of my life experience, I find a good array of reading material at my local library. You should join, people such as you are also catered for with picture books for the illiterate. You could even join the group 'Stories For Littlies' read by one of the mothers. Me thinks its 'Noddy and Bigears' this week, you'll enjoy that one.