Foxy,

For starters, I was talking about 2013 when Labor got the lowest % of the primary vote in history. But also the three turncoats that betrayed their electorates, i.e. Tony whinger and Rob Oakeshott and Peter Slipper had their political futures obliterated.

As for 2010, Juliar saw a massive Labor majority reduced to a minority government meaning that she had to rely on the greens and 2 national party turncoats, Craig Thompson and Peter Slipper to cling to power the cost of which required the breaking of a solemn oath to the electorate which not only destroyed her reputation in the electorate but that of Labor and the whole carbon abatement movement which even in 2019 kept labor in opposition.

Abbott's legacy is not only fixing problems such as the migrant crisis and removing the odious carbon tax, but damaging Labor so badly that it will be out of power for at least 12 years and maybe a lot longer.

Shadow Minister,

You really are an embarrassment.

The election was lost by the government - rather than
won by the opposition. Due to the infighting and
disunity. A lesson that the current government has
yet to learn. And where in politics is Tony Abbott
today? Ah yes, he was so "successful"and "effective"
that his party ousted him as did his electorate.

And what he will achieve in the UK has yet to be seen.
If his p[ast legacy is anything to go by - I'd shut
the F ... up if I were you.

Foxy,

Funny how when the coalition had the same problems they still won the election. What amazes me is how naive you can be.

PMs are not dropped when they are competent and handling the issues. Juliar was tossed like a used nappy when it was clear that she was so damaged that she could not win the next election, especially when Labor polling dropped to 25%.

Tony's past legacy is 3 major FTAs negotiated in 2 years, something that labor has not come close to.

Perhaps you should STFU unless you have more than innuendo and gossip to contribute.

Shadow Minister,

Why don't you take a look at the following link.
It explains who negotiated the trade deals and
signed them and who merely "witnessed" them:

http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/agreements/in-force/chafta/news/Pages/signature-of-the-china-australia-free-trade-agreement

cont'd ...

Shadow Minister,

Please don't continue with Coalition fiction.

Labor did not lose the election because its
policy agenda in government was flawed -
enduring reforms in aged care, education, health,
and the national disability insurance scheme are
proof of this. And time has proven correct - its
policies on pricing carbon, fairer mining taxes,
building the NBN, and supporting SSM.

Nor did Labor lose because of its handling of the
economy or management of the budget and debt levels.
Labor lost because of the poor behaviour of its MPs.
Disunity in politics is death and this was a government
that was racked by debilitating internal division.

Which was a factor in why Tony Abbott was later replaced
by Turnbull. Politics is a blood sport. And rising voter
disaffection with the major parties in support for
independents and minor parties continues to play a role
as does the unpopularity of certain party leaders.
Shorten's demise comes to mind alongside Abbott's.

Anyway, all this is past history. What the future holds
is yet to be seen. Tony Abbott is now out of the picture.
What he does in the UK - will hopefully not disadvantage our
country.

Foxy,

I am surprised by the level of your self-delusion. Bad policies and bad faith are the prime reasons why Labor lost in 2013 and 2019 in spite of the disunity of the coalition in 2019.

I am grateful that Juliar was so bad as it laid the foundations for 3 to 4 terms of non Labor governments.

That TA was the driving force behind the trade agreements is pretty much accepted by those in the know and denied only by the clueless.

Juliar left only a skid mark in history.