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Has Sweden's COVID response lost its allure as a poster child of the right yet?
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glad to have your vote Paul. You are obviously very pro life (not). Just keep your lying Greens/Marxist narratives flowing you compassionate soul.
Posted by runner, Friday, 26 June 2020 5:09:13 PM
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btw Paul no doubt you are happy with your latest Australian hating recruit who refuses to identify as Australian. Oh that's right she changed her mind in order to collect Australian tax payers money. Congratulations on your new 'traitor' in your party.
Posted by runner, Friday, 26 June 2020 5:17:45 PM
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Heres the thing, Covid19 is now running rampant through much of America, Europe and Asia. Its estimated that over 20 million Americans have now contracted the virus, Europe is much the same. While the rest of the world approaches herd immunity then how does Australia continue to isolate against the virus? We cant keep our borders locked forever. Economic implications are favouring Australia now but they wont in 2 years time when the rest of the world is getting on with business with herd immunity and a depleted virus while we will still have a largely vulnerable population. We will look at Sweden as the way we should have handled this.
Posted by jimmy2shoes, Friday, 26 June 2020 11:00:41 PM
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jimmy2shoes, you are wasting your breath.
I was probably the first one to ask the question, or speculate that maybe Swedens govt considered that the oldies and sick, were going to catch it and die, sooner or later. Given that they took the pragmatic view, and weighed up all the different costs of either losing a smaller number of vulnerable and non-productive of the population, against the greater majority of young and healthy, productive of the population, it was decided that they could not risk the lives/fate of the greater majority, so let the people go about their business and advise the oldies to self isolate, in the hope that they would be spared. I believe the decision was a correct one. They will lose a lot of people. They will lose the people that they lose and there is/was nothing that could be done about it, so why destroy, even possibly kill an unknown number of the healthy people who will suffer, even die through loss of income, jobs and security, even hope. So when the emotional, subjective, immature, weak amongst us get a grip, they will see that those Swedes that died, were targets, sooner or later, the virus would have caught up with them, but, the healthy are still employed the businesses are still operating, and just to rub sh!t in everyone's faces, Sweden's ecomomy is the only one, pretty much world wide with a 3.7% growth during this same period the rest of the world are in the negative or recession Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 27 June 2020 12:08:46 AM
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Unfortunately the only people with herd immunity are a few of the 'Usual Suspects' on OLO who have developed herd immunity to the reality of the situation. There is no evidence that HI is developed in a population following the first wave of infection without a vaccine, its a big gamble. The numbers required to be infected to achieve a possible HI can be as high as 85%, in the US that would represent 280,000,000, and Australia 22,000,000 people. This article in 'The Conversation' tells the story.
http://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-wont-solve-our-covid-19-problem-139724 Il Duce, you are throwing figures around claiming to show the economic success of Sweden in dealing with the pandemic, the evidence of GDP growth is just not there as yet. The important economic indicator will be GDP for the second quarter 2020, not the first, which is a rubbery figure of yours at best. Wait and see the second quarter figures then you may be able to claim something on the economic front for Sweden. Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 27 June 2020 7:40:10 AM
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Good Morning Paul,
And a good one it is here in Melbourne. The sun's shining, the birds are singing, and my garden's in full bloom, strangely in the middle of winter. Anyway, it appears that the Swedes are rapidly losing trust in the COVID-19 atrategy. Polls indicate that political parties are demanding Sweden's strategy be reviewed before the next election in 2022. I guess this could be due to Sweden's death toll having increased. Sweden's 5,230 deaths translates to a toll per million inhabitants of 511, many times higher than the corresponding totals in neighbouring Denmark (104), Finland (59) , and Norway (47). All of whom imposed strict confinements but lower than the 650 in the UK, Spain's 606, and Italy's 573. Sweden has also been slow to get its testing program off the ground, with per capita rates significantly lower than many European countries - although the number of people tested for COVID-19 nearly doubled in June hitting 60,000 last week. As a result many countries who are now opening up to tourism have banned Swedes from entry. Who can blame them. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 27 June 2020 11:30:42 AM
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