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The Forum > General Discussion > Has Sweden's COVID response lost its allure as a poster child of the right yet?

Has Sweden's COVID response lost its allure as a poster child of the right yet?

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This virus may be very transmissible but many people get it and show no symptoms and others do, up to and including death. It is mainly over 80 year olds dying and how are we supposed to know if that was the final nail in their coffin or not?
Impoverishing people, destroying their businesses and throwing them on the scrapheap has major consequences. Now add to that the leprechaun sacking Australians and replacing them with much cheaper Asian workers. Great for his bottom line and bonus not as good for Australia. Still Morrison will be on the board in a few years whilst Andrews works for some Chinese Company.
I think we have been treated by the childish politicians as just other children for them to bully. My hatred of the idiot Andrews with his smarmy bully boy tactics knows no bounds. Being lectured by the school milk monitor gets my back up. You just wait till they start pointing out that it was all your fault then lets see how much praise you have for these scum!
Posted by JBowyer, Thursday, 25 June 2020 9:11:37 PM
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JBowyer, I think agree, but I cannot identify who you are referring too.
I'm guessing it is Andrews?
Yes, No?
Posted by ALTRAV, Thursday, 25 June 2020 9:28:43 PM
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Dear mhaze,

Your very first claim about Sweden was this;

“Sweden had an older population than many of its cohort group.”

Mate time to stop winging it. The only major Scandinavian country whose median age is less than Sweden is Norway.

Finland 42.8

Denmark 42.0

Sweden 41.1

Norway 39.5

http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/343rank.html

Australia may well be an island but Sweden is buttressed from the rest of Europe by Finland which had far less infections and deaths.

Ultimately this is the best like for like comparison available. Who can claim Sweden has done the best by its residents?

http://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-covid-deaths-per-million?tab=chart&country=NOR~SWE~DNK~FIN
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 25 June 2020 9:58:26 PM
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SR, sorry but irrespective of other countries older population, Sweden has 20.59% over 65.
The next age group below that is the 0 - 14, at 17.71%.
Given this fact, it is not surprising they lost as many (older) lives as they did.
You would have us believe that had they isolated the oldies they might have survived.
I say it is now being proven and played out, even here in Australia, that once those same oldies ventured out into the community, they would have ended up dead, it was inevitable, and so it will be with any country, unless the virus is completely eradicated and killed off.
I don't care to compare when there is not one stat' or spec' that is the same as another, when referring to countries.
So even thought the data is current to withing a few days, we can safely assume it to be true and therefore reliable.
One thing that can be taken from these stats' is that the rest of the people or population were spared from financial ruin and in fact the same data shows that Sweden's economy rose by 3.7% as opposed to every other country, including it's closest neighbours, who have all gone negative or in recession.
Now those of you who feel so sanctimonious and virtuous might try to put across a posture of insensitivity over the thought that a country would be so callous as to sacrifice it's oldies for the sake of it's younger, healthier and productive people.
Well, suck it up and move on, it's just another decision made by another govt, for whatever reason they thought it best to do so.
But remember on thing, the oldies that died, were going to die.
Those that were going to survive the virus, if they lived in any other country, including and especially, Australia, are now in dire straits, and worse off than if they had died.
So let's not get on our high horse and play God in admonishing the Swedish govt, and in fact think about the millions who are now still in work.
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 26 June 2020 2:04:15 AM
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Forumland is doing well, with an average age of the populace at 97, they have had no cases, and certainly no deaths from coronavirus. They have not been in lock down, but rather locked up since the big one back in 1919, one resident still remembers the plague of 65, that's 1665. All is well with the old fellas down at Shady Pines Rest and Retirement Village, where the lads take their daily dose of diso, and Nursey administers the bright light of happiness, shone up their clackker twice a day. A couple of bongo pills, complacence of The Donald, and they settle back in their easy chairs, watch a little telly, nodding off for another day of peaceful slumber in paradise.

God bless.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 26 June 2020 6:52:02 AM
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SR,

As ALTRAV said, the issue isn't median age, its the proportion of those in the most vulnerable categories. Do try to keep up with the rest of the class.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 26 June 2020 11:42:32 AM
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