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Joe,

Oh, here's what Macron said:

http://www.phys.org/news/2018-11-france-nuclear-reactors-macron.html
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 5:04:48 PM
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Bazz, I am so pleased you have highlighted one of the many flaws and faults with renewables.
These are a fantasy, and a fallacy.
The current technology is simply a knee jerk reaction so some of the govts sleazy mates can steal/get their hands on some of the billions of dollars being given out to research on renewables.
As I've said all along, reliability, both in supply and consistency are way too overplayed and under performing.
I just don't like the concept of having all these, thousands of little men, pedaling away at their little power generators and all these other little men shining torches at solar panels, and not keeping up with demand and continually repairing/replacing units only to under supply the very market it was intended/designed to supply.
When you annoying dreamers have quite finished and stop quoting and referring to others, who obviously have vested interests, and start accepting the fact that renewables are NOT the answer, for all the right reasons.
One analogy, which should help explain it to the plebs on this forum is; If we compare the demands of moving a big truck or semi trailer full of product, we don't use 10 cars with the same power as one truck.
The power losses, to quote just one negative, would render the concept inefficient and therefore more expensive to run and service.
That's why we use trucks or prime movers.
This is just ONE example as to why we must not go down this ridiculous path of renewables.
I don't care what expert said what, can't you people think for yourselves, and for God's sake, stop quoting so called 'experts'.
If you haven't figured out that each expert has a particular bias or view or preference towards one thing or another.
In the end they are all trying to push their own agenda.
That's why there has been dissent in every thing, and yes even GW.
Let's get off the dreamers train, which is heading for a cliff anyway, and get back to the real world.
So let's develop/perfect what's worked not what doesn't.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 5:24:39 PM
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Foxy,

"In a speech laying out the country's energy policies for the coming years, Macron said that "reducing the role of nuclear energy does not mean renouncing it".

France relies on nuclear power for nearly 72 percent of its electricity needs, though the government wants to reduce this to 50 percent by 2030 or 2035 by developing more renewable energy sources.....

"He added that he would ask French electricity giant EDF to study the feasibility of more next-generation EPR nuclear reactors, but will wait until 2021 before deciding whether to proceed with construction.

"EDF has been building the first EPR reactor at Flamanville along the Atlantic coast of northwest France—originally set to go online in 2012—but the project has been plagued by technical problems and budget overruns."

Doesn't sound like France is reducing its amount of nuclear energy production to me ....

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 5:31:15 PM
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Loudmouth2, thank you for setting the record straight once again.
There are those who have doggedly pushed an unrealistic ideology, and will look for anything to bolster or back their beliefs and convictions, no matter how absurd they might be.
I was about to respond to the very points you did, but I am pleased to see you picked up on them too, and got in ahead of me.
You saved me from having to bring it to everyone's attention thereby saving me from the wrath of the mis-guided and mis-informed.
You hold a very high level of respect on this forum, so only a fool would dare challenge you.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 5:51:45 PM
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Joe,

I guess we'll have to wait and see won't we.

France is closing 14 nuclear reactors by 2035
of which between 4 and six will be closed by 2030.

Also there's financial complications involved with
future investments of new reactors:

http://www.phys.org/news/2018-11-france-nuclear-reactors-macron.html

Glad to see you're reading my links.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 6:28:34 PM
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Joe,

You forgot to mention that Macron said France would aim
to TRIPLE its wind power electricity output by 2030
and increase solar energy FIVE fold in that period.

So it's not all that clear cut regarding nuclear.

Especially as Macron has asked the French electricity
giant EDF to study the feasibility of next generation
EPR nuclear reactors - but intends to wait until 2021
before deciding whether to proceed with construction.

AND -

Also seeing as EDF has been building the first EPR reactor
at Flamanville along the Atlantic coast of NW France
which was originally set to go on line in 2012 but the
project has been plagued by technical problems and
budget overruns.

I wouldn't place my bets just yet one way or the other.

Still I guess it depends what spin you want to put on
it - right Joe?
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 6:43:43 PM
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