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Hasbeen, HEAR, HEAR!
Saying it the way it should be said.
No sugar coating, and NO bloody PC lies.
It matters not that the sheeple follow blindly without question, but it does matter when the same ignorant sheeple feel they are knowledgeable enough, (or at all), about a topic to comment and affect any decisions on it, and that goes even to voting as well.
The one saving grace, and irrelevance about this forum, I discovered early in my involvement with it is, that it encourages/promotes OPINIONS!
I have focused more on other sites lately, as I finally accepted how pointless this site is, when it is based on opinions and not truths.
I must admit very rarely I note a relevant and interesting posting worthy of my attention, and possibly even a comment.
Keep it up and don't let them get you down.
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 20 June 2020 1:08:08 PM
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Hasbeen this morning SA was running mostly on gas plus some coal from
Qld and some Hydro from Tas. Wind was about 1%.
At this time it is 51% gas, 45% wind, 3% solar, 0.002 % diesel.
SA does supply feed a bit to the rest of the grid at times.
On the whole the grid is about 80% black coal and I think about 15%
brown coal. These figures are very volatile, but interesting to watch.

When you see how small a contribution wind and solar are making on an
all day every day basis, then consider the amount of money that has
already been spent on wind and solar it really looks hopeless.
For example NSW right now is 86% coal, 1.0756% hydro, 1.965% gas, 2% solar, and 6% wind.
That means right now 14 times increase in windfarms to replace coal.
Or 43 times increase in solar to replace coal.
How much would that cost ?
I see these figures every morning when I switch on and it is never much different.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 20 June 2020 2:00:49 PM
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Foxy, if Australia stopped exporting our coal we could go for some
hundred(s) of years on nothing else.
Wouldn't that annoy the neighbours !
I think that the demand for the subsidisation of wind and solar will
force the government, which is looking at the coviros debt, to say NO !
Faced with that choice (rebuild coal power or renewables or nuclear)
my bet is they will rebuild coal fired power.
If it becomes obvious that warming has ceased and nuclear is still very
expensive then coal will be the only choice.
Anyway Pres Xi Jing Peng said they would burn all their coal then all our coal.
Well they have burnt nearly all their coal.
They are curently cleaning out Mongolia's coal.
So it really is a simple choice once they realise they cannot afford wind & solar.
Posted by Bazz, Saturday, 20 June 2020 2:20:45 PM
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Dear Hassie,

You may not like the ABC - that's fair enough.
There are other sources available on the web.
And of course it would be difficult to agree
with every view expressed on the ABC, or for that
matter, any other news format. But it would also be
equally difficult to disagree with them all and it
would not make sense to criticize all of them as
being irrational.

Only people who see the world in very rigid and
stereotypical terms do that. They have a
distinctive set of traits, including - conformity,
intolerance, and insecurity.

I have never taken you as being one of those
people.

Julian Burnside, QC pointed out a few years back that:

"Media ownership in Australia is notoriously narrow.
Mainstream media offers precious little diversity and
such diversity as there is runs along predictable lines.
The internet offers a vast supply of news - and
especially opinion - to dive into that pool in order
to learn something different is to risk drowning".

He said - " Just as mainstream media is full of views
(mostly strident) telling governments what to do, so
the blogosphere and social media are full of voices
more numerous and diverse and often more strident -
doing the same".

"Those of us who are torn between the desert of
mainstream media and the jungle of the internet
need to continue to find places where rational but
diverse views can be found on matters of enduring
importance".

Hi Bazz,

The International Energy Agency (IEA) forecasts
75% of global energy will still be met by fossil
fuels like coal and gas by 2035.

Our own forecasts from CSIRO for Australia are not
disimilar.

Alex Wonhaus, Director Energy Flagship, CSIRO, says
that fossil fuels and low emissions are not as
incompatible as one might think.

He says that there are clear solutions that are
affordable, sustainable, and achievable.

I guess its a matter of finding them and implementing
them.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 20 June 2020 2:34:37 PM
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Foxy,

I see that the People's republic of the ABC has tripled Calombaris's record underpayment of staff. The ABC has widely been considered to be well left of centre and has lost any claim to be unbiased.

As for nuclear power, it is still the safest power available, and far more reliable than renewables.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 3:35:23 AM
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I see that Kevin Rudd is complaining that the ABC is too right wing !
He will fall off the world if he moves that far left that the ABC is right wing !
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 9:03:21 AM
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