Paul,

as you can't tell the difference it's your problem; do take your medication as directed.

Foxy,

When the going gets tough the fox runs away.

Individual,

Frustration comes before achievement.

Is Mise,

A fox does not run away.

It leads, ruffles feathers, does its job,
and moves on!

Foxy knows nowt about foxes.
Why don't you answer the question on the relevance of industrialization to a country's murder rate?

Is it because it doesn't fit your skewed view of things?

Trying to dodge (City) the question Issy is not like you. I'm simply asking when there is an all encompassing law of "home protection" or "self defence" where is the boundary. Given two extreme cases, then one can understand the difference. However giving virtual carte blanche to 95% of the population, the law abiding group, to carry a firearm and use it at their discretion for self defence and/or home protection, since those terms are not clearly defined, like in America there will be so many grey area cases.

Gregory and Travis McMichael, who shot dead Ahmaud Arbery, would at the time felt justified in what they had done. Law abiding citizens protecting the community from a wrong doer. how do you argue with that under the law as it would exist for you. In fact the shooting was treated as justified by the Georgia authorities for months after.

Paul,

If there is a grey area then the Courts decide, in Australia, there is always a Coroner's Inquiry into deaths, as it stands at the moment it is up to the victim to make a decision if in fear of his/her life and the police usually charge the victim. except where public opinion swells in support of the victim.

Tell us Paul, what would you do if your wife was under savage attack and was likely to be murdered?

The pregnant woman in Florida chose to defend her husband with a firearm, the Greens would deny her that option as,

"The Greens NSW believe:

7. That personal protection should never be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or USING a firearm." [my emphasis].
See:http://greens.org.au/nsw/policies/firearms

What could a person in her predicament do that would be in accord with Greens' policy and that would have saved her husband?

"the Courts decide" what a cop out, cold comfort for the hundreds murdered in the grey area and the obscenely ridiculous cases. Yes, deny the Florida woman, and at the same time deny the doggy crapper, and dozens of other outrages instances of self defence murders.

You refuse to answer the question. In your opinion, not some cop out, what are the limits of self defence and property protection. If the Shooters and Hooters have a policy lets get some understanding of it. Are you telling me that the Shooters and Hooters have no real concept of what constitutes self defence and property protection, yet they have a so called policy.