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Dear mhaze & Not_Now.Soon,

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Lyndon B. Johnson had this to say about the subject under discussion, in his speech of 4 June 1965 at Howard University :

« Perhaps most important--its influence radiating to every part of life--is the breakdown of the Negro family structure. For this, most of all, white America must accept responsibility. It flows from centuries of oppression and persecution of the Negro man. It flows from the long years of degradation and discrimination, which have attacked his dignity and assaulted his ability to produce for his family.

This, too, is not pleasant to look upon. But it must be faced by those whose serious intent is to improve the life of all Americans. Only a minority--less than half--of all Negro children reach the age of 18 having lived all their lives with both of their parents. At this moment, tonight, little less than two-thirds are at home with both of their parents. Probably a majority of all Negro children receive federally aided public assistance sometime during their childhood.

The family is the cornerstone of our society. More than any other force it shapes the attitude, the hopes, the ambitions, and the values of the child. And when the family collapses it is the children that are usually damaged. When it happens on a massive scale the community itself is crippled.

So, unless we work to strengthen the family, to create conditions under which most parents will stay together--all the rest: schools, and playgrounds, and public assistance, and private concern, will never be enough to cut completely the circle of despair and deprivation.

There is no single easy answer to all of these problems.

Jobs are part of the answer. They bring the income which permits a man to provide for his family. Decent homes in decent surroundings and a chance to learn--an equal chance to learn--are part of the answer. Welfare and social programs better designed to hold families together are part of the answer. Care for the sick is part of the answer … »

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Economics/Faculty/Glenn_Loury/louryhomepage/teaching/Ec%20137/Ec%20137%20spring07/President%20Lyndon%20B%20Johnson%27s%20Howard%20University%20Speech.pdf

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SR wrote: "Even in this discussion I have shown that Trump is the subject of many more lawsuits than you claimed yet no admission of error from you."

1. I didn't make any claims about the number of lawsuits. Foxy made false claims and I pointed out they were false. Please try to keep up with the class.

2. You didn't show that "Trump is the subject of many more lawsuits.." than anything. You dug up some group who'd sued the Federal Government plenty of times. You trying to link that to Trump was too comical to even bother mocking.

Re the whole "Upper Bound Threshold for Excess Deaths" thing, you simply demonstrated your usual lack of statistical understanding. Its already been litigated and I really don't have the energy to try to further educate you on that point.

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Banjo,

Thanks for that. It basically makes the point I was making ie that the break down of the family structure in the black community was a disaster for that community.

It should be pointed out that the solutions that LBJ and the left in general offered and implemented for this problem have proven to be utterly wrong-headed and have exacerbated rather than reduced the problem.

mhaze,

Foxy did not make a false claim. She merely used
the wrong word she should have stated - "named"
in the lawsuits. Instead of saying that Trump had
had so many brought against him. The fact remained
that Trump was involved so many more lawsuits that
the ones Foxy mentioned as she later indicated.

Your banging on about semantics - when the meaning
of the point that Foxy was making is rather a poor
show on your part.

Still go on and remember to continue to be perfect.
(LOL).

Foxy,

You wrote: "you...never said a word about the 169 Federal Lawsuits filed against Trump."

But these weren't filed AGAINST Trump, they were lawsuits filed which involved Trump.

That is, what you said was false. Now it may be that it was inadvertently false, it may be that your dyslexic fingers typed 'against' when you wanted to type 'named'. But false it was.

You even conceded it, initially.

Inadvertently wrong or deliberately wrong. I'll never know.

But the hilarious bit was that in the same post where you made this wrong claim, you also admonished "Sociopaths [who]never answer to facts". Pot. Kettle.

"I would never discourage my grand-kids from trying hard
enough."

And do you gently point out there mistakes when they do so? Or pretend all is perfect.

I took a break from home schooling my grandson a few weeks back and was able to teach him the most valuable lesson he'll get this year. We were looking at the SpaceX project and how it all worked. We came across an interview with Elon Musk where he was talking about all the problems the project has had, exploding test rockets and the like. But he said he didn't view any of them as failures because in his view its only a failure if you don't learn from it. Each of their 'failures' bought them closer to the correct answer and he viewed that as a success.

So let your grandkids make mistakes, but always ensure they learn from them. You too.

mhaze,

With all due respect -

When you lead by example and admit your own mistakes
as Steele has pointed out - you shall be in a position
to give advice to others and be taken seriously.
Until you're able to do that - your're in no position
to give advice to any one else.

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Dear mhaze,

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You wrote :

« It should be pointed out that the solutions that LBJ and the left in general offered and implemented for this problem have proven to be utterly wrong-headed and have exacerbated rather than reduced the problem »
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The reason generally cited for the failure of “LBJ and the left in general” to correctly implement LBJ’s “Great Society” domestic policy was that the priority was diverted to the Vietnam War : « Anti-war Democrats complained that spending on the Vietnam War choked off the Great Society » (Wikipedia).

Interestingly, though, despite the failure of LBJ and that of successive US presidents (both Democrat and Republican) since the 1960s to eliminate racial discrimination and establish justice and equality for all Americans, black party affiliation has, nevertheless, remained predominately Democrat for the past 60 years.

This is what the "Black Demographics" website has to say :

« African Americans have a history in both major political parties of the United States. After the Civil War almost all Blacks considered them-selves Republicans. It was the Republican Party that was started by abolitionists and of course the party of President Abraham Lincoln. Mean-while Southern Democrats strongly opposed any rights to Blacks at the time and for almost a century there-after. African Americans were not even allowed to officially attend the Democratic convention until 1924.

« Things began to change during the “Great Depression” of the 1930s with Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal. The New Deal was a program that helped disadvantaged and minority communities find work. This persuaded 71% of African Americans to vote for a Democrat for president even though only 44% considered themselves to be members of the Democratic Party. In 1948 Democrat Harry Truman ordered the desegregation of the military in addition to an executive order affecting racial discrimination of federal employment securing much of the Black vote for the election later that year. During this time 56% of African Americans were now Democrats.

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