"There is no requirement for a new oath on the death of the Monarch because the Oath is also to "heirs and successors"."

Well they still require new oaths to be taken in Britain.

Also note that the successor to Liz doesn't have to be a relative. There's no reason why an MP can't work to make sure that the successor is an Aussie and that that happens sooner than later.

Just getting back to the subject - Mal - we should remember that this whole Republican debate would be in the past if it wasn't for the fact that Turnbull had utterly blown the best chance we've had to be a republic. And he blew it because of his innate distrust of the good sense of the Australian people. Indeed his disdain for public opinion permeates his entire political life.

Foxy,

"You do surprise at times."

I only surprise those who don't know me.

Foxy,'

"You say - "Perjury for Perks?"

I didn't say that at all, what I said was "Perjury for Perks", it was not a question but a statement.

In general:
If anyone swears allegiance to the Queen whilst working towards undermining her position as Australian Head of State then they are swearing falsely and hence are perjurers and liars.

Our Republicans and the Greens don't have the guts to refuse to take their seats because they are not in there for the good of anyone but themselves.

I mentioned that the first woman elected to the British Parliament refused to take her seat and the electors were fully aware that she would not take the seat.
That's the way that moral people work.

"Perjury for Perks".

Revenge is best served cold.

"Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's new explosive book has plummeted to just $8 online after pirated copies were allegedly leaked by a staffer at Prime Minister Scott Morrison's office.
Just two days after it was released, the book has been slashed to $8.38 on Kindle, a significant reduction from the original $23.99 price.

The hardback version of the memoir has also been marked down from $55 to just $29 at Kmart and Big W."

mhaze,

You said that you only surprise those who don't
know you.

That makes for a heck of a lot of surprised people
on this forum.

Turnbull blowing the republic debate?
He had a great deal of help from two staunch
monarchists - John Howard and Tony Abbott.

I question Turnbull's disdain of public opinion.

Opinion polls - are a different story.

Disdain for them was probably caused by the low ratings
that the Liberal Party received at the time.

We know that this was caused by
the infighting within the party, as well as the
groups of self-interested politicians jostling to get
to the top instead of getting on with the real job of
effective governing.

Turnbull has admitted his mistake in making opinion
polls a criteria for the removal of Tony Abbott as
leader. It ended up contributing to his own demise.

Is Mise,

You continue to say - "Perjury for Perks."
Despite given explanations. Fair enough.

I shall continue to say - "Rebuild and Reform," and all of
that good stuff.

That's the way that effective government works.

As for the question of morality and politicians...

Peter Coleman in his Preface to "The Costello Memoirs,"
Writes:

"Whatever they may say, most of them do not go into
Parliament to bring about particular reforms, they go in
because they find life is irresistible. They want to be in
it all their lives. They enjoy its exhilarating highs and
take its miserable (and tedious) lows in their stride.
They face long years in the wilderness with equanimity."

"They take for granted the slander of fools. They also
believe that the voters will get it right in the end.
Their day will come. They are politicians in the way others
are poets. They can't help themselves."

Coleman goes on to mention the seat-warmers, the hacks, the
careerists, and the adventurers. None of whom go into
Parliament to make a difference. Morality to most is
neither here nor there. Neither is the pledge of allegiance.
That's unfortunately the reality.

Bazz,
I did not ask about lying to protect yourself. I asked about the claim you made, which was lying to unbelievers if it is to the advantage of moslems.

Shadow Minister,

You can stop rubbing your hands in glee.

There's legal action pending the pirated copies
of the book.

Big W and Kmart always offer great deals on products.
I buy Lego sets for my grand-children there. So much
cheaper. The big outlets can afford to do that. And
buy go to them for that reason.

However you should know that the book had sold out
by Tuesday at good book shops like Readings and
Dymocks - which had it reduced to $42+ . People
were buying it. BTW - At Big W - the Doncaster store,
Box Hill, and South Yarra - all sold out.

I bought Peter Costello's Memoirs at the Post Office for
$5.00.

Turnbull's memoir considering it's close to 700 pages is
doing extremely well.