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Malcolm Turnbull: A Bigger Picture

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Bazz,
>The Koran has a verse that allows to lie to unbelievers if it is to the advantage of moslems.
Exactly which verse is that?
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 23 April 2020 6:14:05 PM
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Hi Bazz,

Ed Husic was born in Sydney to Bosnian migrant
parents and although he describes himself as a
Muslim he does not involve himself with
activities that are part of his faith. He's
close friends with Josh Frydenberg.

Another thought:

How many of us really and realistically follow
or even know what's in our Holy Books? And can
quote from them? Very few of us I imagine.

So, as I said previously - your worries about
Muslims should only concern extremists. The same
applies to all religious fanatics.

BTW : Any religious concept - its meaning may vary
significantly among religious sects, scholars, countries,
and political regimes. Applying a key term is usually done
in the case of Muslims by anti-Muslim extremists.
So beware how you want to be perceived. Perhaps it's your
reasoning that is in need of repair?

mhaze,

Thanks for the information regarding the oath of allegiance.

You do surprise at times.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 23 April 2020 7:07:48 PM
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Foxy,

"I forgot to add that - federal MPs and Senators are
LEGALLY obliged to swear allegiance to the queen before
being allowed to represent us, the people who
elected them."

You didn't need to add that, it is quite clear and if wannabe MsP tell the voters that they won't take their seat if elected and they still get a majority of the vote then the voters have sent a message. The first woman elected to the British Parliament refused to take her seat, she was a Republican.

Members swear allegiance to the Queen, to the person, and if they so swear whilst advocating a Republic then they commit perjury.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Australia)
There is no requirement for a new oath on the death of the Monarch because the Oath is also to "heirs and successors".

"Perjury for Perks".
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 23 April 2020 9:18:04 PM
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Is Mise,
>Members swear allegiance to the Queen, to the person, and if they
>so swear whilst advocating a Republic then they commit perjury.

You are assuming the two things are incompatible, but has that been tested in court?
I think it would be difficult to prove on balance of probability, let alone beyond reasonable doubt, that allegiance to the Queen requires taking the position that she must remain head of state. She has not commanded them to do so!
Posted by Aidan, Thursday, 23 April 2020 10:50:53 PM
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Aiden,
I have a list of verses, 36 of them, almost all about killing
Jews or unbelievers but I did not include the one about Taqaya which is where you lie to protect yourself.
I started to look for it and found an enormous amount of information
about what is meant when a moslem lies.
They have several different words for lying and each has a particular meaning.
There appears to have been a number of court cases and one I noticed
on the swearing in of a member of the Mississippi state legislature.
I have landed in a morass of information and when I find it I will let you know.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 24 April 2020 8:26:06 AM
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Is Mise,

You say - "Perjury for Perks?"

I say - "Rebuild and Reform!" -
and all of that good stuff.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 24 April 2020 10:44:09 AM
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