Is Mise,

I forgot to add that - federal MPs and Senators are
LEGALLY obliged to swear allegiance to the queen before
being allowed to represent us, the people who
elected them.

There are many MPs and Senators believe Australia should
be an independent country free from the British monarchy.
As do many constituents who voted for them.

They didn't send their MPs to Parliament in order to see
them pledge "allegiance to a queen, her heirs and
successors according to law."

Our MPs should be pledging allegiance to "Australia and
its people" instead of the British monarchy.

The current pledge is an anachronism that needs to change
in the views of many. And it probably will after the
queen dies.

Foxy to make the point that is why the lady is Queen of Australia.
While on swearing oaths;
The Koran has a verse that allows to lie to unbelievers if it is to the
advantage of moslems.
Where does that leave moslem MPs and witnesses in court ?

'The Koran has a verse that allows to lie to unbelievers if it is to the
advantage of moslems.Where does that leave moslem MPs and witnesses in court ?'

exactly the same doctrine as secularism Bazz. Secularist deny killing an unborn baby is murder. The end result of having sex with whoever and whenever is far more important than even biological truths for secularist. Just twist and redefine as the Nazis did. That is why the likes of Turnbull and Rudd were happy to be dishonest about their intentions. In their eyes the importance of having such 'brilliant' people were more important that honesty and integrity. The abc have demonstrated this doctrine time and time again. Even having an innocent man jailed for the sins of the Catholic church was another example of this doctrine from secularist who hate truth.

Hi Bazz,

Your concerns are unwarranted regarding Muslim
MPs or for that matter any other non-Christian
MPs.

Ed Husic - first Muslim MP to take on a front bench
position in Australia took his oath on the Koran.

As a result he received negative posts and abuse
on his Facebook page. It came (as it usually does)
from a small number of extremists and did not
reflect mainstream Australian society.

"I think that people...may have questions and they may
have concerns, and people are right to raise that.
But I also think that you'll have from time to time people
of the extremes. The important thing is that mainstream
Australians want everyone to work together. Mainstream
Australia wants people to join as one to make this country
better than the way (it was when) they first got here."

Also let's not forget that - wearing a yarmulke and
holding a Hebre Bible - Josh Frydenberg was sworn in
on the same day as Husic.

Josh carried the Hebre Bible loaned to him by former
Governor-General Sir Zelman Cowan. It was the Old
Testament Zelman was sworn in on in 1977.

I hope this helps put to rest your concerns.

Runner,

Could you please continue to spread your hatred elsewhere?

Hmm spreading hatred ! Best you task the moslems with that.
Daily they are murdering Christians in Africa by the dozens and it does
not even get a mention.
So, you think it is OK for a moslem to swear allegiance in parliament on
a book that allows the oath giver to lie ?

Really, your reasoning is in need of repair.

When someone pledges allegiance to Liz, they aren't pledging allegiance to that person, but to the office of head of state of the nation "according to law."

The allegiance is to the office not the actual person. Otherwise, when the person passed, all new oaths would be required. But they aren't.

So there is no reason why a person can't pledge allegiance to the person holding the office while at the same time working to change the person holding the office.

That Turnbull was hopeless at organising that change when he had the chance and was made the fool by Howard is an entirely different issue.







"Mainstream Australia wants people to join as one to make this country better than the way (it was when) they first got here."

Well I think that was very much the view of Arthur Phillip. He certainly wanted to make the place better than the way he found it. (cheeky grin).