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A Prime Minister and doctors attack on Australians and their civil liberties

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The only problem with the national anthem and covid19, is the virus might make it possible that there is no one around to sing the national anthem.

God Save The Queen, and the rest of us in that case!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 4:57:08 PM
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Nathan J

Can Donald Trump Scott Morrison?

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Do black swans fly Nathan?

And lastly, but by no means the least, can a Princess be turned into a black crow Nathan?

These are not simply rhetorical questions.

There is meaning and depth in those questions.

And if you look deeply into your misunderstandings, you will understand that to understand life with any depth of thinking, you need urgently, to do better than to scratch the surface in your exploration.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 7:41:14 PM
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Nathan J,
You also need to seriously ask yourself "Where would I be without others?".
Being asked is not "being told" ! Being told only happens when asking is not sinking in & causes unnecessary problems.
Thinking unselfishly is the key to prevent problems !
Have you got what it takes to be a useful & valued member of our society ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 9:48:11 PM
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Thank you Nathan for this very important question, which demands a serious moral analysis.

There are no "civil liberties", only Liberties, period. If you freely elect to belong to a civilisation, then you have already sacrificed some or all of your freedoms. In other words, you cannot have the cake and eat it too, benefit from the pros of civilisation but avoid its cons.

The problem is that we were never given a real choice whether or not to belong to civilisation (or to a segment thereof).

Assuming that we were forced into this civilisation against our will, then no PM and no doctor may order us around and if they do so then they are just brutes, predators with no moral authority whatsoever.

However, while no civilisation may justifiably order outsiders around, nor attempt to "protect" those who never sought their protection, civilisations may still take the necessary steps to protect their own members.

So if you want to gather socially in large numbers at times like this, then this should be OK provided that your group agrees to:
1) not mingle with its surrounding civilisation, at least until the crisis is over; and
2) not receive any medical help from its surrounding civilisations.

Should your group be unwilling or unable to keep to its own, then its surrounding civilisation may at times like this be justified in shooting you in self defense.

The prime-minister or anyone else for that matter, are definitely wrong in their assumption as if everyone who happens to breath in this continent ever agreed to accept their authority. Now you in turn need to tell us whether or not you did, whether or not you preferred and chose their medical support over your freedom.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 12:26:46 AM
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Yuyutsu

After reading and re-reading your post I've concluded your oversight of a little imagined outcome the Prime Minister can control: enforced curfews.
These are standard State rights trumping your personal rights.
Maybe I misunderstood your text.

Dan
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 11:39:53 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

You write; "If you freely elect to belong to a civilisation, then you have already sacrificed some or all of your freedoms."

Surely sacrificed some and gained others would be more apt.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 12:58:11 PM
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