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Freedom of speech and association is not discimination

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SR, I do not like your characterising of Christians and would oppose your views. If I am offended by them I might question my behaviours and correct it. However If I believe I am morally right, it just glosses over as not affecting my self view.

Children who have been wrongly raised will have to confront society and its expectations. Being offended is part of social impact to question behaviour. To introduce laws to curb offense may protect the weak but makes the Government the controller of ideas. It is better the public to debate values of behaviour than supress discussion. The only behaviour that should be curtailed is irrational violence or threat. The 10 commandments is still our best value system for a successful society.
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 19 December 2019 6:28:14 AM
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It will be useful for someone to look at the effect of similar laws
in the UK. If you say something that a moslem takes offense at you can
have the British Police thought squad on your doorstep.
There are a small number in gaol on Hate Law infringements.
Goes back a while, perhaps they are taking a more relaxed stance.
Posted by Bazz, Thursday, 19 December 2019 7:21:49 AM
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Yes, and for that reason Bazz I am opposed to blasphemy laws or any laws which make it illegal to criticise a religion. We have them already in this country in various state and territory legislations. There is a subsisting blasphemy law from the founding of Australia as well, but it probably isn't still operative, and would only protect the Church of England.

If you are interested in my considered position on the issue, and some of the problems we have here, you might like to read this http://aip.asn.au/2018/03/submission-to-ruddock-panel-on-religious-freedom/. We also list the various states that already forbid "hate speech" against people because of their religion. That is something that the federal government doesn't deal with at all.
Posted by GrahamY, Thursday, 19 December 2019 7:45:20 AM
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Dear Josephus,

You still haven't addressed the central tenant of the issue raised in the video.

My example was;

"If some religious fruit cake behind the counter at Vicroads wants to make snide remarks about a single mum, or a woman in a head dress, or an obviously trans person her right to do so should not be protected."

Some how we have gone from a rugby player putting something on his personal social media page to allowing religious nutters free rein to have a crack at anyone they encounter in their workplace.

As raised in the video the issue of a personal care worker ascribing a disability of a client to to the devil, to the person's face, is to be protected?

This is fruit loops territory and it will of course be hugely divisive.

This isn't Australia. Wake up people.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 19 December 2019 9:10:42 AM
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Addressing this matter was an election commitment made by the NLP. The government will eventually get around to presenting a Bill to Parliament. There will be the usual argy bargy between the government and the opposition, followed by the unseemly nonsense in the senate. The Bill will or will not get through.

A majority of people did vote for a return of the previous government, and promises/commitments/rewards for those votes were clearly spelt out during the campaign. Presumably, those who didn't want what the LNP offered placed their votes elsewhere. And they lost.

So, settle down and wait and see. We are not Americans. We accept the democratic vote of the majority. Videos on YouTube; anti-freedom posters, and odds and sods plebs are not going to make a jot of difference to the outcome
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 19 December 2019 10:01:18 AM
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SR, I don't know if you actually mean what you say, as if you are being purposely anti, or antagonistic or provocative, perhaps to engender angst and controversy, but always in the negative and never in any form of compliance.
ttbn makes a sound and logical case/comment which gives rise to thought and not attacks of negativity.
I cannot understand how someone would condone or promote the silencing of another person or group, based on their personal opinion.
Is one man better or more relevant or important or even superior than another, that they have the right to demand that others not speak their mind free of of fear or favour.
Don't fall for the old trick of the "thin edge of the wedge".
No SR, don't stop people from saying whatever they want, let nature do it's thing, and hopefully those who are apparently afraid of being insulted, apparently like yourself, may just end up growing a back bone and some stones to be able to become a person who may also lose his fear of shadows
Posted by ALTRAV, Thursday, 19 December 2019 10:40:44 AM
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