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Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:19:44 AM
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Well maybe just one more to show you just how much is being hidden from you by your goto alarmist gurus...
http://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1akI_yGSUlO_qEvrmrIYv9kHknq4&ll=-3.81666561775622e-14%2C-163.88738776830348&z=1 Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:49:33 AM
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MHAZE, that youtube and those news sources were summarising the science.
I'm not pretending I've read the hundreds of papers on the MWP, but I'm pretty sure I know what they say because of the sources I choose! I don't listen to WUWT or Alan Jones all day, OK? Sumamry on MWP: It wasn't global, but local climate changes due to more local forcings. It wasn't uniform, but in different places and different centuries. And I doubt any particular hot spot was warmer than say the 1950's, let alone today. What do you say to that? The IPCC defines the MWP as "An interval between AD 1000 and 1300 in which some Northern Hemisphere regions were warmer than during the Little Ice Age that followed" Page 949 http://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/05/ar4_wg1_full_report-1.pdf Now to your quoted paragraph! Yes, something changed in the MWP. But what, exactly! Ha ha ha, oh it's too beautiful! What the do you think you have actually proved quoting that paper, that you've OBVIOUSLY READ ENTIRELY BEFORE QUOTING IT? ;-) I mean, it was YOU who said "If you follow the science, you go to the science...." YOU said: "I have literally dozens of these type of actual science papers that show the MWP in South America, China, India and Australia. I was going to list a few but you really don't care, do you?" I do care. Which is why I actually scanned through your report. Now here's the question. DID YOU EVEN READ YOUR OWN LINK? Ha ha ha! ;-) http://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017PA003237 While it admits Africa is huge and requires more study, and that the majority of it had warming points, there were also many cooling points. Check the conclusion! Also, "The most likely key drivers of the observed medieval climate change are solar forcing and ocean cycles. Conspicuous cold spikes during the earliest and latest MCA may help to discriminate between solar (Oort Minimum) and ocean cycle (Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, AMO) influence." Today's climate consensus embraces paleoclimate to understand how things might develop from here. Nothing in this paper asserts anywhere was hotter than today. Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 5:12:45 PM
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"That's why the hockey stick was invented "
WARNING WILL ROBINSON! DANGER! DANGER! The real danger here is that I'm feeding the troll. But other readers beware, climate deniers are known for large scale tinfoil hat conspiracy theories without any solid evidence. The below is from the IPCC, page 469. According to MHAZE all these people and papers are lying! Oh what evidence, pray tell? Well, if you ask the deluded to explain what their fevered imaginations have cooked up, they'll LOVE to tell you... again... and again... and again... until you feel like you shot yourself in the foot for having dared ask their opinion. Like (slaps hand to forehead) why would anyone DO THAT? ;-) FROM THE IPCC _____________________ A number of studies that have attempted to produce very large spatial-scale reconstructions have come to the same conclusion: that medieval warmth was heterogeneous in terms of its precise timing and regional expression (Crowley and Lowery, 2000; Folland et al., 2001; Esper et al., 2002; Bradley et al., 2003a; Jones and Mann, 2004; D’Arrigo et al., 2006). The uncertainty associated with present palaeoclimate estimates of NH mean temperatures is significant, especially for the period prior to 1600 when data are scarce (Mann et al., 1999; Briffa and Osborn, 2002; Cook et al., 2004a). However, Figure 6.10 shows that the warmest period prior to the 20th century very likely occurred between 950 and 1100, but temperatures were probably between 0.1°C and 0.2°C below the 1961 to 1990 mean and significantly below the level shown by instrumental data after 1980. http://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/05/ar4_wg1_full_report-1.pdf Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 5:55:24 PM
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Dear Max Green,
I don't know why you are wasting your time arguing with a $1 brain like mhaze. The reason I asked if you live in Sydney is because mhaze reckons that only 1 in 20 people in Sydney is a Chinese. What do you reckon? Posted by Mr Opinion, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 6:38:07 PM
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Dear mhaze,
You are a scream. You really did just link to a paper by Sebastian Luning. Unbelievable. This bloke is “listed as a “Founding Member” of group named Climate Exit (Clexit) led by climate change denier Christopher Monckton. According to Clexit's founding statement (PDF), “The world must abandon this suicidal Global Warming crusade. Man does not and cannot control the climate.”” Further “Sebastian Lüning (alternatively spelled Sebastian Luening) is a geologist currently working for Portuguese oil and gas energy corporation, Galp Energia, according to his LinkedIn profile. He formerly worked for the oil and gas company RWE Dea AG in Hamburg, Germany.” http://www.desmogblog.com/sebastian-luning You really are a shocker aren't you. And apparently you have other 'unbiased' “actual science papers”. This should be good. Name one more. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 8:27:52 PM
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Re: the various warming periods.
Unfortunately those who continually preen themselves as "following the science" don't really know how to do that. Its most certainly not by running off to the various alarmist gurus and asking them. Seriously, your sources are Youtube, the ABc and SkepticalScience?
If you follow the science, you go to the science....
eg "The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) is a well recognized climate perturbation in many parts of the world, with a core period of 1000–1200 Common Era. Here we present a palaeotemperature synthesis for the MCA in Africa and Arabia, based on 44 published localities. The data sets have been thoroughly correlated and the MCA trends palaeoclimatologically mapped."
http://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017PA003237
I have literally dozens of these type of actual science papers that show the MWP in South America, China, India and Australia. I was going to list a few but you really don't care, do you?
These warm periods are a real problem for the alarmist wing of the climate change group. That's why the hockey stick was invented - specifically to get rid of the MWP. But that failed when the hockey stick was so comprehensively debunked. (Quick, off to RealClimate to find someone to tell you that wasn't so...).
The really funny part to all of this is that people like you and Belly who righteously claim to follow the science, don't even know what the science is. Unfortunately there are millions like you and they might yet create massive problems for the lifestyles of the next few generations.