MHAZE

>>1. I think man played some part, not necessarily the dominant part and most certainly is not the whole cause.
Of course you think this. And modern climate science says WRONG!

>>2. I don't agree the warming since 1950 is bad. A warmer world has always been beneficial to mankind, and so far, has been beneficial to this generation.
If it's a hot muggy day and someone jumps off the top of the Burj Khalifa, there might be an initial rush of wind that is quite cooling.

>>3. I don't think there's been an uptick in climate related disasters.
Of course you think this. And modern climate science says WRONG!

>>4. I don't think we'll ever get to 560ppm of CO2e.
I hope we don't but as just posted by Belly, we keep climbing.

>>5. I don't think we need to subsidise renewables.
Dr James Hansen says believing in renewables is like believing in the Tooth Fairy, so we have that in common.

>>6. I favour the IPCC's RCP 4.5 predictions over the RCP 8.5
Except the RCP is more up to date.

>>7. I favour non-regrets mitigation policies and oppose all other mitigation measures at this time.
We may need everything!

In summary, global warming is real, is us and is serious. Deny any of these and you have become EXACTLY the kind of irrational tinfoil hat, alternate reality conspiracy theorist I thought you were. It's what the science ACTUALLY says about the ACTUAL world we live in. Deny that because you have an over-inflated sense of your own importance and that of your precious opinion and you are just not worth listening to. There's a very serious crisis and a job to be done. Move aside so the adults in the room can do it!

mhaze time is on my side near daily other start to demand action on man made climate change
Powered by extremes in weather that number will continue to grow

1. "And modern climate science says WRONG!"

Well it doesn't. Even the IPCC agrees that there is doubt about how much of the overall warming is due to CO2e.

2. "someone jumps off the top of the Burj Khalifa"

Very scientific Max. Struth!! It can easily be shown that each period of historic warming has corresponded with periods of advances in civilisation. And as I showed you last year, 25% of the last 12000 yrs were warmer than now. Periods like the Minoan Warm Period, the Egyptian WP, Sumerian WP, Roman WP, Medieval WP. Each of these resulted in advances or creation of new civilisations. They also occur roughly every 1000 years and its been 1000 years since the last one. Not drawing conclusions there - just an interesting factoid.

3. "And modern climate science says WRONG! [about disasters]."

Check the IPCC.I taught you about this last year - don't tell me you've forgotten already!.

4. "I hope we don't but as just posted by Belly, we keep climbing."

My grandson keeps getting taller but that doesn't mean he'll get to 10 foot.

7. "We may need everything!"

If only we could afford everything.

"Move aside so the adults in the room can do it!"

Do you know any?

I left this to last. "Except the RCP is more up to date." I almost chocked on my coffee when I read that. I'll leave you to research RCP's to find out why your thinking that RCP8.5 is a more recent version demonstrates a total ignorance on these issues. I'm sorry Max, but it shows that you really haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about.

All you've got is to shout that all scientists believe this or that without actually knowing what is being discussed.

But thanks. That really was the funniest thing I've seen for ages

MHAZE,
It's not my fault you like to quibble and play semantic games in the absolutely tiniest margins of uncertainty. It's not my fault you're attracted to the tinfoil hat side of the debate. And it's not my fault you have delusions of grandeur that you somehow magically defeated me when it's not ABOUT ME! All I have to do is refer reasonable people to the IPCC reports, which should UTTERLY smack down *any* of your tinfoil hat blatherings! If they read the reports for themselves and follow any peer-reviewed journals, they'll see through your shallow word games.

Oh, and seriously? "Minoan Warm Period, the Egyptian WP, Sumerian WP, Roman WP, Medieval WP." Denialist hymn book much? What does the IPCC say about these periods, old buddy old pal? (Or did you forget when you tightened your tinfoil hat too much?)

Yeah, it's like I ran away from this forum weeping you so smacked me down last time! ;-) These over-arching claims of yours are the sure signs of an attention seeking internet troll that would rather have NEGATIVE attention than no attention! Anything's better than no attention! "Please, ye gods, don't IGNORE ME WHATEVER YOU DO" screams MHaze, as Max left Online Opinion a year ago to study IT and enjoy other more sensible forums! I mean, it has to be something like that, because you can't seem to stop talking about it! ;-)

Did you miss me that much? ;-) Really, unplug and go make some friends. Then have a nice cup of warm milk before bed — it will help you forget that you've come down on the wrong side of history or that the IPCC even exists. ;-) Night night! Sleep tight! Don't let the climate science bite!

Dear Max Green,

Are you from my home town Sydney?

MHAZE raised the so called "Medieval Warm Period."

The so called Medieval Warm Period idea came from studies mainly focused on tree rings in England, and did not represent a collection of data from all over the world. It did not really focus on Greenland. This 5 minute youtube is now 10 years old, but it's dealing with the history of this subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrKfz8NjEzU

More recent science is even more blatant. "Climate scientists writing in the journal Nature have found there is no evidence for "globally coherent warm and cold periods" over the past 2,000 years prior to industrialisation. That's significant, because climate change deniers have sometimes pointed to epochs like the so-called "Little Ice Age" or "Medieval Warm Period" to argue that the current global warming is one among multiple similar global climate events. But what the research actually shows is that other "peak warming and cooling events" over the past two millennia appear to have been localised, whereas the human-caused global warming observed over the past 150 years is unparalleled in its global scale (not to mention its absolute temperatures)." Not only this, but the Little Ice Age was a series of different events in different geographies at different times. Regional climate variations do happen. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-25/climate-change-nothing-like-this-over-past-2000-years-scientists/11345022

Finally, "There may have been regions of Greenland that were 'greener' than today but this was not a global phenomenon... The Greenland ice sheet is at least 400,000 to 800,000 years old.... So where did the Green in Greenland come from? According to Wikipedia, legend has it was good marketing on the part of Erik the Red who figured it would attract more settlers (if he was more vain, it may have been called Redland). Or perhaps its a derivation of Engronelant or Gruntland. The main point is while the ice sheet has always been there, Greenland probably was somewhat warmer during the Medieval Period and part of Greenland was green."
https://skepticalscience.com/greenland-used-to-be-green-intermediate.htm

It's a really tired old myth, and a classic example of the tinfoil hatters INTENTIONALLY misreading the science, or even outright lying to people.