Issy, I expect that kind of garbage from a jerk like Joyce. That's the same bloke who was bonking his office girl at taxpayers expense. The fool wouldn't have a clue who they voted for, will he agree pyromaniacs most likely vote for the National Party.

Dear mhaze,

Lol. Really?

You had earlier said “WRONG - you don't understand trends. It doesn't mean to take two carefully selected points and take them as a trend”.

Now you go and do just that.

Here is the trend line since measurements were taken;

ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/north/monthly/images/09_Sep/N_09_extent_anomaly_plot_hires_v3.0.png

It delivers a slope of -12.9.

You had to work your cherry-picking arse off to get a +12% slope didn't you. Don't you ever sit there and say to yourself I have become a shameless manipulator of data, perhaps the position I am attempting to defend is untenable?

Dear Hasbeen,

Dodged the question twice now. Third time lucky?

"This has never worked in the past so I am not holding my breath but how would you like to show us where you pulled this from;

"No amount of CO2 can increase the temperature by more than 0.78 degrees C, & that is recognised by even that august body, the IPCC.""

Is that how it's going to be from now on? Wild fires are going to be blamed on global warming instead of mismanagement?

The cause for global warming will be to reduce pollution, but the premise of global warming is that polution needs to be reduced world wide. A condition that isn't going to be met by China or by several other large polluters of the world. Thus it can always be the great excape goat to blame on. Seek to reduce polution instead of facing the issue of fire management and wild lands groomed for safety of potential fires?

NO! What needs to happen for fire management is to put in place strict restrictions and consquences for breaking restrictions in dry seasons so that a brush fire doesn't start by those going out into the brush. Then on top of that, standards for electric companies to remove any trees or branches that a power line can set on fire. (As was the case of one of the fires in California).

Next thing we'll see is that flooding, and erosion will be blamed on global warming instead of those who are managing the area that had the floods and erosion. Or there will be an oil explosion and the cry will be "climate change sparked the oil." Instead of the real issues of what actually caused it.

My hopes are for any of you facing the fires going on, and that you and your loved ones will be safe.

Paul,

What Joyce was remarking on was the irony, that he said it was slightly in bad taste, but it doesn't come anywhere near the slandering of dead and living Australian soldiers by alleging that they threw bombs at children.

I knew both George Nole and Judy Fletcher and I'm 99% sure that they voted Green and I also know that their local village was a fire trap, George was killed in his car, I don't know exactly where but in all probability on a road that was bordered by very flammable trees and plenty of dead wood on the ground.

One thing that is for sure, the Greens will do everything that they can to divert the emphasis away from tree removal and clearing safe areas around buildings etc.

Oh come on SR,

Now you're just being silly and/or grasping at straws.

I didn't say I was showing you a trend line. I was merely showing a very simplified way of demonstrating that my original point that ice is increasing in the Arctic was true. I even said it was a simplified method and not the way I'd normally do it. But I don't have the heart to teach you least squares theory.

Come what may, even if you want to use the unverified 2019 figures which are probably an underestimate (2018 figures were recently increased due to under-estimation), the fact remains that we're are no closer to an ice free arctic now than we were a decade or more ago.

Now you may not want that to be true and we've seen over the years that you prefer the fantasy to the fact, but it remains a fact that the predictions of an ice free arctic in 2013, 2020, 2030 or our life time is looking pretty sick.

Just like all the other BS predictions the alarmist community conjures up