To Foxy.

Though this is outside the scope of homosexuality, I think there is good reason for taboos and rigidity got several sexual behaviors. Though most aren't called sexuality, some are figured as fetishes, other are recognized as criminal and abusive in one way or another, while others are somewhere in between, not recognized as criminal by the law but breaks up families through cheating.

We can debate over what's fine and what isn't but a sexual appetite let wild is not a good thing. Taming it through at least some standards is a good thing. Again that is outside the scope of homosexuality and goes into criminal behaviors, or unhealthy fetishes.

Calling it something like hunger is a great comparison. It is. Sometimes dangerously so.

Dear NNS,

The most striking feature of sexuality in most
modern Western countries is the tension between
a tradition of highly restrictive standards,
on the one hand, and a climate that values
individuality and personal freedom, on the other.

Restrictive patterns of sexual behavior have long
been regarded as the cornerstone of public and
private morality, yet the pleasures of sexual
gratification are constantly extolled, implicitly
and explicitly, especially through the mass media.

Not surprisingly, the attempt to maintain the standards
of earlier generations is largely unsuccessful.

As a result, there is a discrepancy between the
sexuality that is portrayed in the ideal culture -
the norms and values a society adheres to in principle -
and the sexuality that is actually expressed in the
real culture - the norms and values a society adheres to
in practice.

The traditional sexual values of our society and of
modern Western society in general, have their roots
in a particular interpretation of ancient Judeo-
Christian morality. Sexual activity can have two
basic purposes: reproduction and pleasure.
The Western tradition has strongly emphasized the
former and has generally disapproved of the latter.

Sex was morally acceptable if the partners were
married and if their primary purpose was reproduction;
sex for pleasure alone, especially by unmarried
partners was considered immoral.

Anyway I shan't go into further details except to say
these traditional values remain powerful in our
country today, although attitudes vary greatly
according to age, sex, religion, place of residence,
and level of education.

To Foxy.

Standards of sex stay through the generations when it's punished by the law. And many of those laws are well worth keeping. Case in point, sex with minors should stay illegal for the safety of the minor. Doesn't matter if it's commited by a teacher, or a priest. Incest likewise should remain illegal. Again this goes outside the scope of homosexuality.

Things that are not illegal (as well as those that are) are exemplified by the porn industry. Worse to think about is that porn is scripted, but those acts whether it's rape, or a fetitish in costumes happen in real life too. It's not worth going into the topic of porn to say why several acts should remain unacceptable.

Going back to the issue with homosexuality there are issues. It's not about acceptance or not, there are extra issues. Even if homosexuality is accepted, there are things that need to be addressed that just plainly aren't. If it's not about emotional issues, suicide, drug dependance, (because the argument is these are solved through acceptance); then the issue is about health, long term relationship stability, and how homosexuals treat each other.

Heterosexual relationships have the issues of abuse, infidelity, and drug abuse, and for the most part people are encouraged to say away from these kinds of relationships. Either to get out of them or to get help. That kind of focus on potential problems just doesn't exist in homosexuality. There are real issues that just aren't getting noticed and for the sake of acceptance are fought against even speaking about.

Foxy,

Your second last post was, to say the least, confounding and contradictory.
Any mature, sane, serious society abhors today's morals and ethics.
It's easy to understand why.
THERE AREN'T ANY!
My wife was a virgin when I met her and until we were married.
I on the other hand had a very healthy sex life with any woman who "gave me permission", to pleasure her.
These women ranged in all aspects of life and backgrounds.
So there are too many factors at play, to try to categorise them.
It is believed that the male of any species is the aggressor and the female, the victim.
Well I can tell you that's BS.
If we must use the animal kingdom as example, (which I dis-agree with) then one has only to look at the ritual of some animals, mares, cows and so on, they perform a ritual called "presenting" when they are on heat and want to be, (for want of the more descriptive word) "inseminated".
So it is that there is no differing sex drive between the sexes.
The only difference is that the males are dictated to by the females as to when they can have sex with them.
This of course does not fit with the males sex drive which is by nature much higher than a females.
These days the promiscuity levels are the highest they've ever been and climbing, so it's no wonder we are having an increase in sex related crimes.
Still it's a good thing for the guys, because without the sluts, how would they learn about the beautiful joy of love-making.
And so some lucky wife gets the man she always wanted.
Well if you get rid of the sports, alcohol, the mates and a myriad of other distractions, she might, but looking at the males and females of today, Hmmmm, sorry, this generation really got the short end of both sticks.

Dear NNS,

Opinion polls today show substantial tolerance for
diversity in sexual behavior, but they also show
a continued commitment to marital fidelity and a
declining interest in promiscuity.

The epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases may
have played a part in this trend, but it also seems
that the sexual climate now calls for caring and
commitment rather than rebellion and experimentation.

The most important result of the preceding years
of change, perhaps, has been widespread acceptance of
newer concepts of sexual morality. Many people still
adhere to the stern rules of earlier generations, and
some seem not to believe in sexual morality at all.

But, increasingly judgements about right and wrong in
sexual matters are based on the attitude that moral
behavior is that which involves mutual affection
and respect and does no physical or psychological harm to
those involved.

As far as homosexuality is concerned? The new climate in
our society helps to neutralize earlier conceptions of
homosexuality as perverted or sinful, and today enables
gays and lesbians to build positive self-concepts.

The great majority of gay men tend to form long-lasting,
affectionate relationships, and lesbians seem to maintain
even more stable and enduring relationships than many
of their heterosexual counter parts do. Again the appearance
of AIDS may have influenced this attitude and encouraged many
gay people to revert to more traditional practices of
dating and settling down with a single partner.

Also the gay community's collective response to AIDS -
especially through support services it has provided for
gays, drug addicts, children, and others stricken by the
disease - has cemented its bonds in a way that promiscuous
sex never could.

See you on another discussion. For me this one has now run
its course.

Dear NNS,

You say there are issues of homosexuals that still need to be addressed.

Well try this for a statistic;

"Research shows a staggering 45% of women aged 18-41 were sexually abused as children by family members (30%), friends or family friends (50%) or strangers (14%). 75% of the abuse involved some contact, most of which was shockingly severe (Watson & Halford, 2010)."

Such a huge epidemic of abuse being carried out within the family home surely needs your attention. So incredibly pervasive is it that any perceived problems involving homosexual relationships must pale into relative insignificance.