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'No gay gene.' Does new study have faults or hold merit?

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Dear Big Nana,

I'm not sure you are aware of this story;

"When Peter was seven, he and his younger sister were abducted and sexually abused for days before being released. He was abducted again at 11, this time with his older brother, and taken advantage of by a paedophile gang for several days before they escaped. Later, he was again molested by another man. This abuse led to a profound sense of self-loathing, fear, and uncertainty in Peter, magnified by his family’s rootless lifestyle as they spent his childhood travelling around Australia in a station wagon."
http://www.adefenceofthebible.com/2017/05/23/peter-brocklehurst/

So was the person who first abducted Peter and his sister a homosexual incapable of attraction to the opposite sex or a heterosexual incapable of attraction to the same sex? If so why were both brother and sister raped for days by this man? Or could it be that some people who find themselves in positions of power and control over children are sexually aroused by the feeling of dominance over another human being?

Dear Foxy,

I naturally agree. Thankfully attitudes are changing for the better, in my opinion at least.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 20 September 2019 11:40:46 PM
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To Banjo Peterson.

Do you suggest that acceptance of homosexuality will mean the problems within homosexuality will go away? I don't think that is true. I don't think the problems are even known my that many. Think of it like this. In the Catholic Church the issue of sexual abuse has become too big an issue to ignore. But it isn't acceptance of the church that is going to make any changes. It's awareness of the problems and determined steps to change that is going to make a difference.

If the only issue is acceptance then in countries that accept homosexuality more should show the homosexual population in a better state. However I don't think this is the only issue. I've read that the Netherlands is very tollerence and accepting of homosexuality, with only a small population that is not accepting of it. However I still also read that the rates for suicide and drug abuse among homosexuals is higher then it is for heterosexuals.

For whatever factors that have homosexuality at a higher rate of suicide and drug addiction (whether it's overwhelmed by not being accepted, or by greater harms like abuse at a young age), regardless of the reasons there's more then the original factors that influence the problems, but now also a culture with those problems rooted into it.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 21 September 2019 3:07:48 AM
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The issue of health is a big issue as well. This one I've heard growing up has gotten better, homosexuals are practicing safe sex. I learned this only to find out later that this isn't really true. The rates of STIs among homosexuals (if you look at actual data instead of listening to experts with a cause) is higher then it is among heterosexuals. This raises a huge red flag because the agendas for homosexuality and tolerance makes itself bigger then the problems within homosexuality, and buries the issues under the rug. Something is very wrong when the truth has to be discovered because the experts in a field lie about health information. This means there are likely other lies being spread if the truth is inconvenient. I doubt many homosexuals even know there are issues in their demographic outside of not being accepted.

Kindness and love I would say are needed for homosexuality (as well as for everyone else), but you do not have to accept or tolerate an abusive relationship in order to care for a person who is in it. (Many families and friends of those in abusive relationships try to encourage them to get out of it. They do this out of love). A similar issue of drug abuse is about those who love and care for someone cutting off contact with them. Either as an incentive for them to clean up their act and to not support it, or because the person has become untrustworthy because of the effects of the drug, or because of what they do to keep their supply.

Maybe this sounds harsh and extreme measures when referencing homosexuality. But if this small demographic (about 3% of the general population) has noticeable trends towards abuse in relationships, dependance on drugs or alcohol, and suicide; then there should be something done as a reaction.

The only reaction I recommend is to recommend two things to gays:
1) to have nothing to do with gay bars, pride parades or other organized gatherings.
2) to be celibate and not be sexually active.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 21 September 2019 3:08:34 AM
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To SteeleRedux.

The narrative I'm presenting about catholic priests is that the large majority of abuses were towards males, not females. If this does not show a homosexual factor, then perhaps I misunderstand what it means to be homosexual. Expecially if sexual abuse among the general public (not among the catholic priests) is to show more girls and women are the abused. As much as you dismiss the source I gave you because the author has more of a Christian outlook, there is still a staggering amount of information within that report to reference. For instance the information on the Netherlands is referenced in a study in that report, as well as a very large study on Catholic priests sexual abuse is referenced throughout the paper I referenced.

The point on priests though is not about the dangers of homosexuality, it is to correct you that absence from sex is unattainable and resulted in the sexual abuse in the church. If that was the case then there would be more numbers of girls and women either being abused as well or caught up in a scandal of the church.

The points and the narrative I give (if you will allow it), is that

A). There are issues within homosexuality.
And
B). Two possible solutions is to distance homosexuals from the negative influences in their group by not going to organized gathering for homosexuality, as well as to take the measure to abstain from sex.

That is the narrative that I am giving. The issues I point out in homosexuals is not to make them out to be boogiemen to watch out for and protect your children from. It's to actually show that there are issues within the demographic. Things that need to be recognized instead of ignored in order to make them better.

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Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 21 September 2019 3:39:03 AM
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Perhaps you might understand this issue if you've seen the issues in other people that aren't homosexual? Suicide, drug abuse, and damaging relationships are real problems for anyone who faces them, homosexual or heterosexual. If you've not faced suicide, had to cut off a friendship due to drug issues, or tried to help someone out of an abusive relationship; then you're likely not seeing these as real damaging issues, but just a statistical number with a problem attached to it.

Let me say it again in case you missed it or I was unclear. What do you propose to do to help homosexual demographics because of the higher rates of abuse and suicide? Because saying there isn't an issue make you part of the problem, not me.
Posted by Not_Now.Soon, Saturday, 21 September 2019 3:41:03 AM
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NNS,

I believe you may be one of a few who have the courage to mention the mental and emotional disorder, seemingly prevalent in these people.
I have read of mental, chemical imbalances of such people, the possible cause of their discomfort and stress due to orientation and acceptance issues.
If one is always in a state of discomfort and emotional turmoil, it is obvious that they would seek comfort, wherever and in whatever form they can find it.
It may be in the form of a person or alcohol, or other drugs.
People are judgmental and usually end up having nothing new to say and so keep repeating any previous messages, which ultimately, does not help.
Where-as drugs, give them an escape and it does not judge, nor does it become boring, because in fact you crave it more than say, a mentor.
So their problem IS one of mental disorder, and less to do with all the reasons given so far.
Not saying the aforementioned reasons are not in the mix, but the base and main cause is this mental disorder, then these other factors direct their various choices and states of mind or preferences and life choices, which control or direct one to do and make the choices they eventually end up making.
So given this notion, it is more helpful to find medical means of curing what is a medical problem, and in the meantime try to make them aware of their plight, but always ensuring that they understand that they are in need of help, and we must accept this and not expect, as some stupidly suggest, that we should become more accepting of these people by changing our position and not them changing theirs.
Tolerate, possibly, but we have to accept the fact that they are like anyone with a mental disorder, and just because they thrust themselves and their wishes upon us, mostly in a threatening manner, at anyone who shows any discord, simply demonstrates a flaw in their psyche which is not evident in anyone without mental and therefore emotional issues..
Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 21 September 2019 4:16:36 AM
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