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'No gay gene.' Does new study have faults or hold merit?

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Dear Not_Now.Soon,

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You wrote :

« How would you approach the topic as a whole, looking for fixing the problems within homosexual demographics … How would you bring up issues within homosexuality? Things that affect a person's health, their relationships … »

For what it is worth, Not_Now.Soon, my advice, is to consider that homosexuality is not a problem. It does not need “fixing”. It needs to be accepted as something that is perfectly natural, like heterosexuality. Homosexuality is the natural sexual orientation of 268,000 Australians aged 18 years and over who identified as gay or lesbian in the 2014 General Social Survey (GSS) of the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS). There were probably many more who, for various reasons, failed to declare their homosexuality.

In addition, there were 255,000 people who identified as having an 'other' sexual orientation. Together with the homosexuals and lesbians, they represented 3% of the adult population of Australia.

What really needs “fixing” is the negative attitude of families, Churches, fellow students, work colleagues, as well as the attitude of society in general. It is the denial, prohibition, rejection, stigmatisation, victimisation and sense of guilt that ostracises LGBTs and pushes them to live in ghettos with their peers.

As you may have observed, the ghettos are the prime fishing pools of all those who prey on the misfortunes of the LGBTs – sex, alcohol and drug dealers, first and foremost.

There’s nothing much you can do about it, I’m afraid. It will be a long time before attitudes change. Ignorance and intolerance are solidly anchored in an ocean of inertia by the massive iron chains of deep-rooted prejudices and archaic religious doctrine.

The best you could do, Not_Now.Soon, would be to try to make friends and establish a relationship of mutual trust and confidence with them. Perhaps, one day, they might turn to you for help and advice. And, if you persist, perhaps it may create a snowball effect and you end up becoming a sort of Mother Teresa for the Australian LGTB community.

Who knows, miracles do happen.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 20 September 2019 2:28:52 AM
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BP,

really?
Your going to go there?
You are seriously going to argue in favour of such a minority, it is not worth discussing.
So let's get this straight; you want the 97% of the population to change their lives and beliefs and much more, to accommodate the 3% of the population.
So the 97% are wrong to feel whatever they feel about this topic.
Your saying they MUST come into line with the wishes of the 3%.
At this point I think it prudent to say that if a person has a certain feeling or belief about something, it is some twisted logic to expect them to change just because the very thing they hate tells them to.
No matter how you spin it, I have given the example before, if someone doesn't like beer or smoking, would you as one of the 97% even consider smoking and drinking if 3% of the people said you had to.
Why is it so hard for the do-gooders to just accept that we are not all the same and there are people who just don't like or want to accept some things, whether they like it or not.
Now if they were mature pragmatic people they would understand and stop trying to convert decent people into accepting what the 97% consider un-acceptable.
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 20 September 2019 2:55:54 AM
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Just give the LGBT their own special toilets & be done with it !
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 September 2019 8:36:38 AM
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Dear Banjo,

Thank you for your eloquent post to NNS.
We can see from our own society that
over the past decades attitudes have
substantially changed towards homosexuality.
Gay men and lesbian women are able to
pursue their lifestyles with relative freedom.
We now have legislation to protect their rights.
This was illustrated by the large percentage of
those who voted chose to
vote for same-sex marriage in this country.

This was a remarkable and positive step - for
the recognition of the fact that our fellow
human beings are somebody's child, parent, cousin,
co-worker, teacher, neighbour, friend, or fellow
student.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 20 September 2019 9:16:28 AM
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HI BP,

If 3 % of Australians over 18 are either homosexual or 'other', what proportion of the next generation of children will they have ? 3 % ? Probably not. 1 % ? Perhaps less ? So, if homosexuality had a genetic component, how quickly would it become insignificant ?

And, of course, this is how it's been happening forever: heterosexual couples tend to have the kids; homosexual (and 'other') couples tend not to have all that many kids. So any homosexual gene would disappear rapidly from future generations.

So surely there must be other reasons why and how homosexuals seem to maintain their numbers ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 20 September 2019 9:20:26 AM
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Dear Joe,

Dividing the population into two distinct "either/or"
categories must fail because of the countless
ambiguous cases that arise - people whose desires
are heterosexual but whose behaviour is homosexual;
people who have homosexual histories but whose
current behaviour is heterosexual'people who alternate
between the two forms of behaviour; and so on. On the
basis of his research, Kinsey recognised that sexual
orientation is a continuum, and he accordingly
constructed a seven-point rating scale, with exclusive
homosexuality at one end and exclusive heterosexuality
at the other.

Subsequent studies are interesting. The following is
just one example:

http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html

History has shown us that many homosexuals do get married
and have children - for a variety of reasons. Hard and fast
rules do not apply to human beings - there are always
individual differences.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 20 September 2019 10:21:05 AM
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