Morgan
It was not myself personally who had a DEAL going with Muslim Leaders to pre stun.

"It a is LAW in this country."

Neither is it the Muslim leaders from AFIC who broke this law and it was not my intention to make such alligations.

What we dont appreciate are meetings regarding Animal Welfare standards being held with the benefit of our support! and not being included in those meetings.- Espeically when HKM suggested we hold those meetings!

It was our organisation who had given then unprecedented support and they had the benefit of appearing to the public and the Government of having our support!

To say the least it was mis leading. Its also a clear bridge of the MOU.


I dont expect anybody to break a MOU without so much as a word regardless! or not if they are Muslims or Christians.

Now after saying that if you read my posts properly you will see it is NOT the Muslims we are taking a pop shot at Mr Morgan
"Its the Australian Government." and Rudd!

These Cruel Ritual Slaughters are in FACT Illegal.

RSPCA have made a statement that they were lied to by the Government.
"Regardless of "whom" it is we except people to follow the laws of this country."

RSPCAs position is they our outraged because its so cruel.

Thats pretty much most peoples position.

We are privy to some information regarding the fact that they want to make Malyasia the hub of Halal because I encouraged it and held meeting with Maylasian delegates.

We still support it but only working within the law- which is pre stunning.

Australia will be a big part in that and it WILL take over Australias meat works as we know it.

Halal is a five billion dollar industry.

So my claims of Australia being turned into a Halal Riutal Slaughter country "are not incorrect at all".

BTW. That has zilch to do with our Australian Muslim Leaders.

Thats Government to Government AQIS TO JAKIM etc so lets put the blame where it belongs.

PALEIF - it was your own TarynW who wrote "Not taking over Australia Mr Morgan? Think again." How else would one interpret that rhetorical question other than to infer that she meant Muslims are "taking over Australia"?

Perhaps the PALEIF crew should have a little chat amongst yourselves about what it is that you're trying to say when you repetitively hijack threads on this forum, in order to achieve some consistency and perhaps even make some collective sense.

Morgan
Taryn is free to post her thoughts as much as you are. At no time did she say she was speaking for pale- Did She?

You can argue it out with me if you like but its clear already you have no idea about Australian Muslims or the Islamic culture because if you did you would know Halal Slaughter and Halal products is certainly NOT off post.

It is their live and their law and is at the very root of the problems between Islamic leaders including Australia.

Now as to your claims the subject of Halal is high jacking this thread you are simply displaying you absolute ignorance regarding muslims being united which is what this thread is about.


Halal controls everything you do buy use cook eat if you are a Muslim.
The thread is about - Australian Mulims being united.

Fyi Australian Muslims have thirty two Islamic councils and around thirteen Halal accreditation authoritys.

World wide of course there are hundreds of Halal accreditaion Authorities and they are run normally by their Government such as Jakim but there are many others.

They do not see or have a difference between laws of their countries and religion. In fact there isnt any. There cant be because Allah rules.
There is huge compertition to gain the accreditation status. Even in Australia I have seen them argue from Mosque to Mosque what Halal accreditation requirements are.

As every single thing all Muslims buy eat and do is set by the Halal accreditations it is very much on subject Mr Morgan.

All attempts to sign off on a national Accreditation for Halal have so far failed.

This ought to give you some idea regarding Australian Muslims being united.
It is in fact the very reason for so much disunity amoung Muslim Australians.

' After having said that of course the authoritys are paid to carry out their Halal accreditations so its very much a struggle for the all mighty money but they would deny that I am sure.

The evil of greed knows no boundries or languages.

Angela84, an ex-Muslim proposed a few ways of stopping the progress of Islam. It is from an article taken from a web-site set up by ex-Muslims.

1. Ban the publication, distribution and sale of all pro-Islam media, books, literature and published materials

2. Outlaw pro-Islamic organizations and organized activities of religious, social and political nature and deport the Islamic "religious leaders," "clerics" and other charlatans. Outlaw Islamic practices such as the burkha and the religious cap and other medieval nonsense.

3. Shut down all madrassahs and Muslim-majority schools and integrate them within mainstream public schools, diverse student and faculty bodies and modern, scientific curriculum.

4. Shut down all mosques and convert the buildings into hospitals or schools - something good.

5. Encourage (not penalize) the criticism of Islam across all media and strata of society. Encourage public debates and encourage society to take this issue head-on.

6. Severely restrict immigration of Muslims - subject applicants to rigorous citizenship tests, socio-cultural integration and an official renunciation of Islam. Deport those who remain loyal to this hate-mongering cult.

7. Encourage government agencies, NGOs, police and human rights groups to scour the length and depth of Muslim society to uncover and remedy the countless incidences of abuses against women, arranged marriages, secretive polygamy and practice of Sharia principles.

8. Last but not least, strip Islam from legal recognition, from government surveys, official sources of information and census. Cease to identify a "Muslim" demographic; factor them out on ethnic and national origin. "Non-religious" or "Agnostic" is certainly better to being identified as a Muslim.

9. Encourage, provide opportunities for former Muslims to progress, obtain more education, become a normal part of a healthy society.

10. Point out the obvious - the evil suras of the Qur'an calling for hate and violence, the backward, senseless and abusive laws of the Shariat, the bloody history of Islam (continuing today). Case closed.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Swadhin/Abolishing-Islam.htm

The following is an article from the Daily Mail that shows what the Muslims are doing to Britain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=475875&in_page_id=1770

Angela84
The answer to the last part of your question is NONE.
The Government are far too busy dealing with the overseas Governments not for our good but to make an awful lot of money from Animal cruelty.
For those of you who think its not connected then think again.
First they start by making Ritual Slaughters Legal in Australia because they got caught out lying to the RSPCA.

Ok What next? Will they make these equally barbaric operations on young Muslims girls legal next?

From there will we go to allowing some to stone women to death?

I am not suggesting it will happen over night but it will happen if we dont stand up now.
As Phillip has pointed out there are some people prepaired to speak out.
Mind you I dont feel we need go that far to have a good Muslim population In Australia.
Just last night I was speaking to another organistation who said they also were not happy with the leadership in Australia.

They want far more inta action between everyday Aussies and themselves.

They do not approve of Ritual Slaughters either.

If we have countries approach us to perform Ritual Slaughters or operations on young girls etc We and the Government ought to be saying
See you later Alagator.

Ok So we have a problem in Australia

1. We can see we do not have the right Muslim reps.[ I thought we did but its clear we dont.]
2 We know the Government do not give a dam about Animal Welfare and will jump to the attention of extreme countries for a few bob.
So the answer is we work together with the good Muslims to fix things. If anybody would like to meet with some main stream Muslims to discuss sensible ways to stop the wrong Muslim messages being handed out they have issued an invitation to you all.

easy.
Thank You for you post Phillip

Philip Tang,

And this is what the "civilised and peace-loving" West is doing in Afghanistan, Iraq and Lebanon through the indiscriminate use of Depleted Uranium weapons - going back to the first gulf war.

http://www.rense.com/general70/deathmde.htm

Heaps of moral superiority on display here - enough to last for generations to come.