Well the foolish are at it again, dare I remind them some silly things have near zero support
I side with the PM on this, no, not gone mad fact is most of us on every side do
A unisex toilet, women walking in on men men walking in on women!
Build that fraction who do not know if they are Arthur or Martha a separate toilet, fixed!
While we are at it how about all the silly things very few want that in fact discriminates against the majority?
IF I walked in to a Woman's toilet right now I would be charged, think about it

This seems to be a dilemma that blokes choosing, on a whim, to be women, and/or (more rarely) women deciding to be blokes, have landed themselves in. In our self-indulgent world, we are supposed to give it a second thought.

Nah.

Dear Belly,

I don't quite understand what this is all about.

What's wrong with unisex toilets?

When you've got to go,
you've got to go. Simply lock the door, then open it
when you're done for the next person to use.
You have your privacy - and no fuss.
What's the problem?

Unisex toilets exist in hospitals,
aged care homes, garages,
and in many other places that only have
the one choice of toilet.

As long as these places are kept clean, and have locks
on the door, who cares?

Now Foxy, this is about every toilet being made in to a unisex toilet
PM has rightly called it out in his department
Let me talk about rights, my rights, I do not want women or in fact those who are unsure of their sex wandering in while I am at the urinal
Twice this has in fact happened
Once at work, the first woman employed as a Laborer pushed her point by walking in at such a time
She won
And a very drunk woman walked in to a men,s pub toilet
Room for satire here, but no room to turn single sex toilets in to unisex ones

The way Australians are heading they will soon be relieving themselves in the gutters like many other Third Worlders do, for the Third World is where they are headed.

Judging by the looks & character of those people in favour of such toilets, the Toilets should be called "Unique Sex" toilets.

It is about time to stop segregating people and their toilets based on the gender of their bodies. Do we also want to have separate toilets based on eye-colour? Why make such a big deal over the shape of one's reproductive organs, especially now that we do not need any more human reproduction on this overpopulated planet.

I believe that this segregation was used through history as a trick to denormalise aspects of human anatomy, increasing sexual tensions, thus promoting reproduction. In Europe, especially Germany, where nudity is common and public showers are shared, the sexual urges, thus birth rates, are the lowest!

unisex toilets are fine. Men sharing bathrooms and showers with women they don't know is an open invitation for every pervert to have his way.

I recall public toilets somewhere, I think it may have been Parris, with no roof, & walls only about 4 Ft high.

We are all products of our environment, & that was a bit much for someone from mine.

Dear Runner,

«Men sharing bathrooms and showers with women they don't know is an open invitation for every pervert to have his way.»

This is indeed possible in the beginning, after that many centuries of suppression of natural curiosity. This is why the move ought to be gradual and respectful. When a dam is suddenly opened, big waves can arise. We can expect there initially to be lots of Oooohs and Aaaahs, but they will subside pretty fast, then more men and women will learn to become good friends without the sexual aspects.

Please note that I am not proposing to change the rules regarding unwanted touch and other forms of harassment. They should stay.

'e can expect there initially to be lots of Oooohs and Aaaahs, but they will subside pretty fast, then more men and women will learn to become good friends without the sexual aspects.'

u write a lot of sense Yuyutsu, but this is garbage. Remember the social engineers insisting porn was harmless. Now we have kids constantly sexually abusing kids after feasting on porn. You can't turn of chemistry now matter how much those lying liberal artist tell you. Look at the number of these artist who are now up on charges.

Belly,
> Now Foxy, this is about every toilet being made in to a unisex toilet
Then why didn't you say so to start with instead of the incoherent rant you began the thread with?
Do you really think it's a real issue rather than a pathetic attempt to generate outrage?

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>The way Australians are heading they will soon be relieving themselves in the gutters
I'm pretty sure it would continue to be regarded as environmentally unacceptable, at least in our state. With our infrequent rainfall, I doubt there'd be much opposition to a crackdown.

>like many other Third Worlders do, for the Third World is where they are headed.
In what way?

Dear Runner,

«now matter how much those lying liberal artist tell you»

Believe me, other than musicians I have no contacts in my life with any artists, liberal or otherwise, and I don't discuss politics or topics like this with musicians (we discuss music instead), thus nobody tells me what to think: my thoughts and reflections are completely my own.

«social engineers insisting porn was harmless.»

I think we can agree that porn is harmful, but the sight of natural human bodies is not pornographic. I even believe that the deliberate hiding of natural human bodies from an early age is the main cause of pornographic abuse. The evidence is in Europe, where people are so used to nudity that they do not even notice it, whereas in China, when ladies' feet was a taboo, a porn industry was created around the feet of women, same for faces in Saudi-Arabia.

Let me share my two experiences from Germany:

I was attending a residential workshop, which had a lady cook to prepare our meals. One afternoon when we had a break, I took a longer stroll which took me around the main building, there I saw the cook sun-bathing in the nude. As I was looking with disbelief, the cook was alerted, thinking that I came to complain about the food: "was there anything wrong with lunch, sorry, I hope not!" (I then praised her food and she turned peacefully on the other side).

Another night some of us were strolling naked outside after a sauna, then we approached a balcony belonging to the owners next to a berry-bush, so one young lady from the group came close to it and picked some berries. I was startled: "aren't you afraid that they will see and catch you?". "Oh", she replied and blushed, "but I only took very few berries, 2 or 3, is this considered stealing?".

I WANT to highlight some minority's, very remote from average, seem to promote discrimination against most of us
I voted for same sex weddings
That however did not say I want to share my toilet with Arthur or Martha
In fact I would pee on the street, truly, rather than walk in to such a toilet
Give them one of their own, make toilet blocks like blocks of flats, disabled, mens, womens, confused, don't knows, you tell me
But [be warned I ticked humor as a thread description] this idea makes in my case, the need for a toilet more often needed needed

I wonder if the words "morality", "instinct" and "nature", to name but three words that govern and control topics like this, are considered.
I absolutely do not sanction the single toilet idea.
Call me a prude, call me backward, call me whatever you like, I've been called worse, but this is not about me, it's about safety and respect, and most of all towards the children and those not in a position to protect themselves against the "nasties" of the world.
I am assuming we are talking about "public" toilets.
Those examples given in favour of these "multi-sex" toilets, are all "in-house" toilets, where there is a certain amount of discretion by a perpetrator, due to the closed environment of the toilet being inside or near a very public area.
I believe they prefer "public" toilets where they can monitor and control the situation more effectively.
The idea of one toilet for all is a practical one, but completely ignores the psyche of todays more "diverse" public with much lower morals than ever before, and it is a growing trend.
Such things as rape, swinging, slutting, equality and many more unsavoury and socially un-acceptible practices and lifestyles.
Those promoting such an idea, by simply dismissing it as a lack of maturity and I imagine, their catch phrase would be, "grow up", do not have a realistic and current view on life around them.
Toilets are a very controversial topic, and to be so flippant and dismissive is to refute the real problems facing this concept.
At least in this country.
Anyway, NO, this medium is about opinions, well in MY opinion, it's not a good idea, and the reasons are a matter of record with all the victims that suffered as a result of toilet encounters, are there to confirm it is not a good idea.
So the next time any queers or confused, just grope around your crotch and if you've got a penis, you go into a male toilet.
If you don't feel anything down there, you go into a female toilet.
This seems obvious enough to me.

Some need to understand why this thread came about
Scomo is investigating his own department
We have been told [fake news again?] the toilets his public servants use, have been converted to? unisex
Now if another toilet was added we would have nothing to talk of
But like much the needlessly intrusive few who can not make up their minds what sex they are, [is it tens nation wide or hundreds? never surely thousands]
Why, what makes extreme minority's not want equality but indeed want superiority? build a dunny, build ten, but use mine, not on

Dear ALTRAV,

Yes, I believe that we all prefer and appreciate a private toilet space and this should be encouraged where it is feasible and affordable. We ideally should not have anyone around us, regardless of gender, when we answer the calls of nature.

But there are places where this is not feasible, or where segregation would drastically reduce the overall toilet capacity where it is needed. In such places, it is detrimental to divide the space along gender lines.

I am not convinced that today's public is less moral than ever (have you got numbers/evidence?) and as for "rape, swinging, slutting and equality", what have these to do with facilities for urination and defecation? Practically nothing!
In any case, rape can also be perpetrated by homosexuals, whose toilets are not currently segregated from heterosexual people. Rape can also be perpetrated in so many other places, including offices, elevators, cars, fields, churches, schools and private homes.

I believe that for a large part, sexual abuse is caused by a dysfunctional intergenerational training to consider certain body parts as "dirty" and mysterious, where parents teach their children to identify with a gender and give them the message as if viewing the hidden parts of the other gender is life's biggest "achievement". Parents might not be aware that they do it and why since this is what they learnt themselves as children, but behind this is the parent's desire for reproduction and grandchildren. I consider such teachings as one of the worst forms of child-abuse, inflicting a psychological wound on one's child which is very difficult to heal. Yes, we ought to grow out of gender identification and I care not which gender or sexual orientation it is.

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Dear Belly,

«But like much the needlessly intrusive few who can not make up their minds what sex they are»

This is a terrible error: we are not a sex, I am not a sex, you are not a sex, nobody here is.

Unisex Toilets? I think we need people with practical experience like Alan Jones and an intellectual giant like Barnaby Joyce if we are ever going to solve this question.

I think it best we keep Alan away from toilets
And Barnaby? not sure
But if we have such people and they need toilets let them have one of their own
IF I walked in to a woman's toilet I would be arrested [rightly so]

Geez, we're down to discussing toilets now ? I'd have thought public housing, unemployment & working on introducing some culture would be more pressing !

Hi Belly,

I converted my one and only, male only toilet to "unisex" about 10 years ago. What a relief that was to the women of the house, not to mention the improvement to the bushes in the back garden...and the smell.

In the words of that great Chinese philosopher Ah Poo... loose translation; "If its yellow, let it mellow, if its brown flush it down!"

My latest invention may help those who are always running out of paper!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg5kP5kvXpc

This will be of interest to the history buffs among us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us8FsyWw29k

Here's my take:

I blame the 'equality agenda' for this stupidity.

Well to be fair I have to say I think it's stupidity anyway, but I suppose others might disagree and somehow see merit in all toilets becoming unisex.
- If so I invite these people to help me understand why you'd think it a good idea.

I suppose I should explain why I think 'equality agenda' is to blame for this:

Online social media are globally dictating the social landscape of sovereign countries.
They've set a 'global one size fits all system';
- which now includes recognising some 60 - 70 different genders depending on which particular platform.
Take this article from back in 2014, Facebook recognised 71 genders.
5 years since then has given all this time to flow down into normality, as well as legislation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/10930654/Facebooks-71-gender-options-come-to-UK-users.html

So now look where we are now:

The 'Unique Sex' (nice job individual) could argue it's not fair that only those who identify as men and women (i.e not them) have exclusive gender access to their own toilets.
'Equality agenda' dictates that in order for their to be a fair playing field that all 71 genders would need access to their own gendered toilets, right?
- Obviously this is unrealistic;
So the only option left (under fairness to all genders) that would create a fair playing field for all is that NOBODY be permitted to have access to their own gendered toilets.

How many of you people that championed the idea of an 'Egalitarian society' want to stop and have a rethink where this is all going now?

How many of you will stop and think for just one second that maybe all this PC and liberal stuff is going to result in society heading in directions you never intended?

AC, I bet the toilet at your house is unisex, you radical you!

AC, I bet the toilet at your house is unisex, you radical you!
Paul1405,
My guess is that AC's house is not a public toilet for the likes of you to loiter around !

Every supporter should provide their TFN so deductions can be made to keep supporting the family & those who will exploit the same loopholes thereafter !

Indy, I fully agree, TFN (only the taxpayers like me needs a TFN, not you welfare people). Now that's really going to help the unisex toilet situation I'm sure.

The only thing I want to add is that which I've said on many past occasions.

They play both sides against the middle;

(I didn't come up with that, I heard Christopher Jon Bjerknes say it on Know More News)
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaRjFptz7970mppuiGuZtpQ/search?query=bjerknes

I came up with the next part:

They play both sides against the middle; and continually shift the goalposts in the chaos with the narrative always 2 steps to the left.

That's why this stuff is happening.
Will anyone dare to say my observation is invalid?
Does anyone wish to argue this is NOT what is happening?

Here's another thing one should consider:

If you didn't see this unisex toilet thing coming;
If you didn't anticipate or expect it;
Then maybe its because we've not been informed on the larger agenda.
Does this not stand to reason?

Obviously someone has an agenda.
What's this 2030 stuff all about?
Someone has a plan or a design on the future.

Why do they keep shifting the goalposts and where does it end?

Baby Boomers are a little insulated from whats really happening.
They aren't as computer, app or internet savvy as younger people and I don't think they can understand or appreciate just how far online surveillance and censorship has gone.

You can't use a phone, tv or computer without knowing everything you watch and do is recorded, nor can you travel anywhere without being tracked, nor can you purchase anything (unless using cash but I'm sure they'll soon put an end to that) without those transactions recorded nor can I say anything online without their being potential repercussions should someone be offended by me voicing my own opinion.

- And it doesn't matter what you do someone will find issue with it -

The world's a vastly different place now than what it was.

Paul you remind me we all had unisex toilets
In my case out door ones and indoor a different stages of my life
Our big family had a chant, *is there any one in there*
Rather doubt my sisters would quietly let me walk in, or that I would be brave enough to try it
Country breed lasses can not be taken for granted
Still convinced some minority's are ever willing to show us why they are minority's
Build that extra dunny but do not take mine

Now that's really going to help the unisex toilet situation I'm sure.
Paul1405,
As sad as it is to have to actually point this out, I'll do it anyway. It was mistakingly posted in the wrong thread.

minority's are ever willing to show us why they are minority's
Belly,
Great assessment !

Foxy,

I agree with Belly for more than just the reasons he has mentioned. Public toilets are not monitored for obvious reasons and while women wandering into mens' urinals is embarrassing for men, a young girl finding herself in a deserted toilet with a male sexual predator has far more dire consequences.

Shadow Minister that says it all
But we should never let very very small minority's tell us they actually want to take our rights away

I've no problem with unisex toilets in areas such as hospitals etc. These are monitored environments. However, can you imagine unisex facilities in Parks or other areas of public space, where every sex weirdo, is actually loitering inside one of the stalls while awaiting some hapless female victim to come in?

No way - it's difficult enough to police as it is, if this proposal is approved, it will be even a bigger headache for the law to apprehend these boofheads.

Again quite true o sung wo, just reading about a middle aged man pretending to be a youth talking to a teen aged girl
Luckily he was talking to Police
But build those toilets let those who wish use them, but put such offenders behind bars for years

http://www.smh.com.au/national/western-australia/perth-vegan-takes-neighbours-to-court-over-barbecue-smell-20190903-p52nc4.html
Another minority trying to?discriminate against the rest of us
Move house lady
Move away from normal people, folk who do not mind you ruining their lives

Hi Belly,

As a left-hander, I'm often appalled at the blatant conduct of right-handers, doing so much with that hand and neglecting the other proper one.

I wonder who I can sue ?

Joe

Belly,

The problem with these new progressives is that they are more interested in virtue signalling and don't give a crap about the consequences.

The vegan fruitcake got her just desserts (sic) when she lost her case and was refused the right to appeal when trying to stop the neighbours barbequing in their back garden.

SM,

Thank Christ.

Joe

Shadow Minister you may be suprised, make no mistake I remain Labor forever
But we are confronted by a truth, the average Joe Blow shares our [yours and mine] about the nit wits class
They exist, usually are greens but some times others, even one motion
They want things not even all their side wants
And we, sadly, often try to give it to them
Some very hard reality will be needed if my side is to return to government within a decade
Winning three votes but finding twenty gone, because of adopting minority views is madness

make no mistake I remain Labor forever
Belly,
With no Labor party anywhere in sight, where do you find comfort among friends ?

Catering to minority groups is essentially the complete destruction of democracy in and of itself anyway.
- Think about it -

Democracy works on the basis of 'the majority'.
But if you destroy 'the majority' with political correctness;
- the element that was tribal and patriotic for their country -
And empower the 'collective of minorities' (inclusive of those who identify as immigrants) and create a narrative that makes them the 'new majority';
[Holy Crap, that's it. Global leftwing politics is now actually built on an 'immigrant' platform]
Then all you've done is completely destroyed any unity or any chance of it, whilst displacing the existing people and their culture, essentially placed the lunatics in control of the asylum.

And this is why you get this current madness of where the Aussie backyard barbie is now under threat.
Where does it all end?
- Global Government -

AC,

as it turns out, you are right.
Just look into the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the Bilderberg Group and there One World Order plans for the world.
This is a doctrine laid out and is on the record as prescribed by the leading Jewish Rabbi's, at a Rabbi conference some years ago.
The main speech by the head Rabbi was very telling and very frightening, both in content and intent.
Basically, the message that came across, very clearly was:
They're all fu&$ing mad.
They are so mentally deranged they are a serious threat to all the people of the world.
Oh, that's right, not the Muslims, apparently they have found a common bond in that they believe they are both equally persecuted by the rest of the world, so they have conspired an un-healthy alliance to bring the world people to their knees and then create a centralised govt which then controls the world.
Apparently one of the major assets they will employ to achieve this brazen and bold plan is "money".
As they already control or own 97% of world banks and lending institutions, one can see that if they are serious, they have already begun.
http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/complete-list-of-banks-ownedcontrolled.html
Ah well, call it fanciful, ridiculous, impossible and so on and so forth, but they have never-the-less been the instigators, promoters, and financial backers of most if not ALL of the past world atrocities from before and including the Napoleonic war to 9/11, and more.
So it is that the evidence is out there in many publications and historical records, all that is needed is for people to research it for themselves.
I find the whole thing too incredible to be believable, but there has been too much written that makes it impossible to reject outright.
Maybe others can put some semblance of historical truth and confirmation or rejection of these written records and their veracity.

indy even from the wreckage of this NSW ICAC promise rises
Both state and federal leaders have their hands clean
a remote right now, but sure and certain, uncovering of much the same in both state and federal governments can be banked on
Interested people will read this days news that the NSW government is in disarray, may even have to govern as a minority
Do not celebrate our death yet

Do not celebrate our death yet
Belly,
We don't. What we all want from them is to get out of the vegetating phase they're in & start being responsible for a change & learn the meaning of integrity !

Hey Altrav,
I only clue onto little pieces of this puzzle at a time, usually when I'm standing back and looking at the bigger picture.
Sometimes it's hard to see the tree for the leaves, when you're standing too close.

What if there was a formula, a recipe, a list of directions for micromanaging things - a little change here, a little change there;
to destroy nationalism and soverignty of western nations, hijack them with 'PC ideology' and push them towards globalism, as part of some 2030 type schedule.

How are they doing it to all western nations at once?
What is the formula?

Lets say we import 270,000 votes towards the leftist 'immigrant minority-majority' platform...
What else can we do?
I know, we can indoctrinate more young people towards leftist and socialist causes at universities while they're students so what can we do?
We'll give them something called HECS and the workers will have to pay the students debts, and the students who may never complete their gender studies diplomas will straddle the nation with debt, whilst promoting leftist ideology.

'We'll turn Uni's into a mental clinic for impressionable kids.'

It's a win-win for the left.
They get the votes, the indoctrination and activism while hard working conservatives pay for it all while the nation they know falls into a Cloward-Piven downward spiral financial scenario, which promotes or powers continued socialist measures forced upon the populace.

What's Belly have to say about all this?
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/22/queensland-labor-to-change-its-official-platform-in-coal-friendly-revamp

I think your party will not change it's ideology or culture.
I think you party is trying to bs the populace with 'We LOVE Coal' so it can get back in power and continue to do dumb things on the back of dumb ideology that got it hated in the first place.

They're just trying to buy some time till the immigrant votes make you more of a majority in QLD then you'll just do what you were planning anyway once you immigrate yourself a mandate.
What say you on all this Belly, my last 2 comments?
I'd like to get your take please.

Hey Belly,
"IF I walked in to a Woman's toilet right now I would be charged, think about it".

- Ok thought about it.

The answer is actually 'It depends'.

- It depends on whether or not you SAY you 'identify' as a woman.

If you say that then you have every right to use the ladies.

- And not only that if some 'woman' stops you, challenges you or calls the police on you, you can probably have her charged for not respecting your chosen gender identity, and for causing you unreasonable harm for being discriminated against on the basis of your chosen gender.

You obviously didn't think about it as hard as you thought.
- It's 2019 mate, you're going to have to try harder to get with the times and learn to embrace 'the ridiculous'.

AC getting hard to see what makes us turn from subject in threads but we do
Just read about a group, said to be over a thousand, planning a Bar B Q out side that lady,s house
Now that I like and would attend if it was closer
Coal, thread in for inspection, but reality should be driving us
And we can talk more about it if it gets a run

Altrav,

You do realise that the Rockefellers are dyed-in-the-wool Methodists and Episcopalians ? Don't be confused by their funny name.

Joe

AC,

Just on your all-immigrants-secretly-together-conspiracy theory, immigrants and refugees come from pretty much every country in the world. I was chatting to a Mongolian Mormon a few weeks back, nice bloke. And I used to have regular chats with a Nicaraguan ex-copper a few years back. Some Chinese I know are very wary of the Beijing regime, especially those from Hong Kong. Of course, the Irish are, to many people, a suspect population.

And a high proportion of those immigrants come from Britain and New Zealand. Are you suggesting that they will all team up with Mongolians and Nicaraguans and Moroccans to vote as a bloc ? You do realise, don't you, that it was probably the migrant vote in Western sydney which won the election for the Libs ? i.e. they tend to vote conservatively ?

Sorry :(

Joe

Dear Belly,

All public toilet blocks have disabled toilets
and they are unisex. So those that are of
"questionable" gender can surely use those
disabled toilets. Nobody would challenge that.

Problem solved?

cont'd ...

Otherwise they should wear nappies - like many
elderly people. (smile).

Hey Loudmouth,
You certainly made a valid point that I overlooked.

I incorrectly assumed the migrant vote was an automatic vote for the left under this racism-empasised policy of political correctness and the continued casting of nationalists as dangerous racists.

But I can see how Muslims probably wouldn't support some of the left's progressive agendas.

"Are you suggesting that they will all team up with Mongolians and Nicaraguans and Moroccans to vote as a bloc?"

I'm not saying they will, everyone is their own person with their own beliefs and motivations but what I'm saying is the social and political environment that emphasises racism seems to be trying (not sure that's the right word) to group them that way.

And don't be sorry for calling me out if I fall off the reservation.
If an argument or point in question holds merit, I appreciate being corrected.

Foxy maybe I am biased, while working and at a meeting in Sydney, representing a state wide group of government employees this took place
Women ran the office
Some clearly men haters
Never know why some, only some, workplaces are dominated by such women
Inside out out, of every toilet, signs existed,telling me how to wash my hands and pull the zipper up fully
Not impressed, but as we[it was also, never know why] attended by female members of the public service union, began talking about a huge lay off of workers state wide
The nice? lady,s diverted the meeting to? toilet behavior
I insisted the meeting be canceled and refused to ever again meet with those lady,s who shall we say disliked men
This thread came about after [read the signs in story,s about it] such people inferred they would use existing toilets if the wanted to, give them their own toilet but do not tell majority it is ok to discriminate against us
Toilets for those using them must be safe places

Dear Belly,

I've never gone into a "mens" toilet.

I've always found appropriate facilities for
me to use.

Even when travelling overseas - toilets were
never a problem.

If worse came to worse - I was always allowed
to use staff toilets.

Safety was also never a problem either.

Even on American Indian Reservations in the US -
I was allowed to use their own facilities.
Which at times amounted to a hole in the ground
behind a screen.

Therefore I've never experienced what you describe.
I've found that there's always suitable choices
available - all one has to do is be polite and
ask for help as necessary.

cont'd ...

I can still recall running up the steps of the
Museum of Antropology in Mexico City - (I had the trots)
and I didn't need to speak Spanish - the Security Guard
understood my desperation -
what I needed and pointed to the where the
nearest toilet was for me. In fact the man even opened
the door for me ( hee, hee) as I flew past him.