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Trump, Again

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mhaze,

If you want to defend Reagan - go right ahead.
And if you believe that it's all fake news -
and his biographers are liars -
I have no control over that.

We all have our heroes and people we admire.
Who am I to discourage you from yours.

No, I'm not having a bad day. I'm too busy
being fabulous. How's your day been?

Found any more substantial facts on issues?

Good man!
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 September 2019 6:36:01 PM
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cont'd ...

mhaze,

Here's another fact you might like to add to your
list as to who actually wrote Reagan's bring down
the wall speech. It's taken from the National
Archives:

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2007/summer/berlin.html

Peter Mark Robinson was the White House wordsmith he drafted
the speech and wrote over 300 of them for Reagan and for
George H W Bush.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 7 September 2019 7:04:50 PM
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Must admit looked for Trump style foot in mouth this morning, he has been quite
Wounder if he has been told how bad his polls look
But even quite he can not help himself, he has called for a TV show, with a star he dislikes,to be shut down
Now what if Hillary or the great man Obama did that
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 8 September 2019 7:43:33 AM
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Foxy,

Oh dear!

"And if you believe that it's all fake news -
and his biographers are liars "

Nowhere did I say his biographers were liars or that Cannon lied. This one story that you so liked is debunked but that doesn't mean Cannon lied. In the main he is a very good, though not the best, Reagan biographer. But its interesting this little bubble you live in - if I don't agree with every word the guy wrote, I must think he's a liar. Quite naive really.

Thanks for the article about the Tear down this Wall" speech, but I'm quite familiar with it and the author's book on Reagan. I don't know if you actually read it because it doesn't say what you think it says. Indeed it utterly supports what I said and debunks what you said. Do you know what an own-goal is?

Did you read this part of the article?..."There is a school of thought that Ronald Reagan only managed to look good because he had clever writers putting words in his mouth. But Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Bob Dole, and Bill Clinton all had clever writers.

Why was there only one Great Communicator?

Because Ronald Reagan's writers were never attempting to fabricate an image, just to produce work that measured up to the standard Reagan himself had already established. His policies were plain. He had been articulating them for decades—until he became President he wrote most of his material himself."

There's another interesting anecdote on the speech. One of Reagan's advisers was talking to him about the wording and the argument about it a week out from the visit to Berlin. Reagan said it didn't matter what the bureaucrats said, he was going to tell Gorbachev to tear down the wall. The adviser asked why he didn't just tell the State Dept and the rest that he'd made his decision. His response was that it was their job to have these silly arguments and he didn't want to interfere but it made no difference what they said since he knew it was right.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 8 September 2019 10:56:56 AM
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mhaze,

It appears that I've touched a nerve.

However, may I politely suggest that you go back and
read the link that I gave previously on Reagan's
speech writer's explanation of the Berlin Wall Speech
and who said what to whom, taken from the National
Archives. You will then get the correct summation
of what happened.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 8 September 2019 1:33:18 PM
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Foxy,

"I politely suggest that you go back and
read the link that I gave previously on Reagan's
speech writer's explanation of the Berlin Wall Speech"

Huh?

Here's what I said about that article...

"Thanks for the article about the Tear down this Wall" speech, but I'm quite familiar with it and the author's book on Reagan. I don't know if you actually read it because it doesn't say what you think it says. Indeed it utterly supports what I said and debunks what you said. Do you know what an own-goal is?

Did you read this part of the article?..."There is a school of thought that Ronald Reagan only managed to look good because he had clever writers putting words in his mouth. But Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Bob Dole, and Bill Clinton all had clever writers.

Why was there only one Great Communicator?

Because Ronald Reagan's writers were never attempting to fabricate an image, just to produce work that measured up to the standard Reagan himself had already established. His policies were plain. He had been articulating them for decades—until he became President he wrote most of his material himself."

It seems that, not only did you not read your own link, you didn't read my comments on that link.

So again...huh?
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 8 September 2019 1:43:07 PM
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