Pul,

Wouldn't have done you much good if you were associated with particular groups, since the notion of the 'collective guilt' of those out-groups was so prevalent in such totalitarian societies.

Thankfully, there are not many people advocating collective guilt here in Australia.

Oh, wait a minute ......

Joe

Dear mhaze,

Bollocks!

This is what you first put;

“A loose alliance of left-wing government legislators, determined prejudiced constabulary and state controlled media have achieved a decade long goal of bringing the church to heel by relentlessly pursuing its leadership. No other church group will dare put up a fight as the anti-Christian agenda is advanced.”

It was that I addressed, not once mentioning Pell.

Why are you now claiming it is all about him saying “I was talking about the urge to GET Pell by various portions of the governing class.”?

That is not what you put in your original post at all. You are being entirely disingenuous.

And why are you saying there isn't any evidence when we all now there is the sworn evidence given by the young scholarship lad he forced himself on in the first instance. That evidence on its own was accepted by the jury then by all the justices as compelling.

Anyway how about you stop with the bad faith arguing, it doesn't help your cause one iota

sad to say but I suspect if Pell wore a rainbow badge to court I doubt very much he would of been found guilty. Such is the sad state of affairs.

That termn *left wing*
It warns all the user is not quite all there
That he/she has fallen for the Trump right
A faction in world politics that feeds its follower of the same thing that grows vegetable mushrooms
And too that they,sadly put the chains around their own feet and deliberately fight to keep them there

Before I leave this discussion I would like you to take
the time and read the following link written by Prof.
Jeremy Gans - Professor in the Faculty of Law, at
Melbourne University.

It's worth a read:

http://smh.com.au/national/was-he-guilty-read-the-pell-document-and-make-up-your-mind-20190822-p52jqm.html

runner, you have never given any details about paedophiles in your church, sad to say but I suspect they are rife, probably hundreds of them.