Got to laugh, page one and the only input one poster has is defending pants down
As seen in a thread above some want to believe renewable like solar, still get massive subsidy
They do not however yes subsidy's are behind the high prices
Government sold our power plants to friends even some of them selves and profit came before people again

Dear Shadow Minister,

Oh and I just went and checked the manufacturing data from the Fed Reserve and this was their take;

"Manufacturing output declined 0.4 percent in July, with durables, nondurables, and other manufacturing (publishing and logging) all posting decreases. Production fell for most major durable goods categories. The largest declines were recorded by wood products, machinery, and nonmetallic mineral products, while the only sizable gain was registered by aerospace and miscellaneous transportation equipment. Paper products posted the only increase among nondurables; the indexes for textile and product mills, for printing and support, and for plastics and rubber products each fell 1.0 percent or more."

Come off the raw prawn SR.

There would be no need "pare some of it back" if your ratbag lot had allowed the harvesting of their own gas in their own states. Lefty buying of green preferences is doing Oz more harm than anything else.

Belly, you need to get a bit more math if you want to argue where the ridiculous power prices are generated.

We privatised it there is the problem
Belly,
Unfortunately, it was because of excessive Union demands that it all got privatised.

Hasbeen a certain satisfaction comes in reading your and Shadow Ministers posts on this subject
Knowing you both are wrong, and ill informed, helps
Oh knowing you both are victims helps too
Defending the fossil fuel owners rights to damage the planet, while thinking only coal can save us, must be painful
Maybe not
As both do not fully understand what the whole debate is about
Privatization is not working
Rather like climbing a tree sitting down and cutting the very limb you are sitting on down
Government has a duty to see our industry's get power at the same prices as any other country

SR,

1 I don't see relevance that fluctuations in the US manufacturing index has on business investment moving to lower cost US from higher cost Aus?
2 Most of the big gas contracts export permits were put in place under Labor, meaning that export limits would create huge government liabilities which made it very difficult for the libs to act. Labor also put moratoriums in place to stop gas exploration.
3 Renewables in Aus are now far higher than the US.

Belly,

Every power generation privatisation in Aus has led to lower prices. The reason prices go up is government interference.