there's no good reason for such a large confiscation of people's liberty.
Aidan,
That's where we just have to agree to disagree. I believe not having a National Service is costing this Nation more than people care to guess. A national Service is most definitely not a confiscation of peoples' liberty, the exact opposite is the case. It provides a sense of belonging.
This sense has gone hence the utter mayhem of no culture & no care now. The reason why so many don't see that is because they haven't had it for so long that they don't even know the meaning of it !

individual,
Agreeing to disagree is the last refuge of those with deeply flawed arguments who are too stupid to concede.

>I believe not having a National Service is costing this Nation more than people care to guess.

A national Service is most definitely not a confiscation of peoples' liberty, the exact opposite is the case.
Seriously?!?!? Are you trying to beat runner in the delusionality stakes?
WTF do you think liberty means? And what would you regard as a confiscation of people's liberty?

>It provides a sense of belonging.
It may for some, but not everyone would react in the same way. And if they didn't gain a sense of belonging while they were in school, what makes you think National Service would do so? And don't you think it would be counterproductive for people who (at the time they do it) have no desire to belong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhcxAULAcg

>This sense has gone hence the utter mayhem of no culture & no care now.
Most people do still care, though things often seem futile when you're so often ignored. And there's culture everywhere, even if you don't recognise it as such.

>The reason why so many don't see that is because they haven't had it for so
>long that they don't even know the meaning of it !
What the younger generations don't see is that the government is on their side. A lot of the opportunities the older generations had have diminished due to the political choices of the older generations, and now the older generations hypocritically whinge about the results.

SR,

I would check your links before you post them. Germany's electrical energy power consumption is annually about 550 TWhrs so your figures make no sense whatsoever.

https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/analysis.php?iso=DEU

Aidan,

The 2016 blackouts in SA were due mostly to the networks inability to generate sufficient power. There was solar but zero wind power.

If this is a hot summer, the same may very well happen to Victoria.

Aidan,
The baby sitting has to come to an end, no matter what. Economics will dictate that along with social dysfunction.
Australians must start acting now if they don't want to share this land & their tax dollars with dumbed-out, no good for nothing drugos !

Shadow,
> Germany's electrical energy power consumption is annually about 550 TWhrs so your figures make no sense
That's a complete non sequiter. Nothing in Steele's post or link contradicts your figure or link, though I did notice your link hasn't been updated at all in the last three years.

>The 2016 blackouts in SA were due mostly to the networks inability to
>generate sufficient power. There was solar but zero wind power.
Which 2016 blackouts were those? I don't recall any supply problems that year apart from the statewide blackout (caused primarily by tornadoes hitting powerlines). Do you mean the February 2017 blackout, over which the Australian Energy Regulator is currently suing the owners of Pelican Point Power Station for failing to disclose to them that one of its generators which was offline could've been made available with a day's notice?

A lot of the opportunities the older generations had have diminished due to the political choices of the older generations, and now the older generations hypocritically whinge about the results.
Aidan,
I won't dispute that, on the contrary. The political decisions made by State & Federal Govts for example are now haunting us ! More so those of Labor Govts !