indy yet again you say something most would think weird
Communism enslaves the people
And to our new poster [to me at least] now is the time to prepare for that future China
Welcome and hope to see more from you

I think it's just about impossible to understand how to rule over a Billion people. We have problems with a population that is smaller then the number of military personnel of our closest neighbour.
It's got me bamboozled how countries can have so much population when there's so much apparent poverty ! Communism sounds bad to some who are lucky enough to live in wealthy Western Nations but could so-called Democracy actually work with such massive populations ?
I'm not a Communist, nor a Socialist nor whatever one can be called. I'm just for a harmonious society that rewards effort.
Whatever that makes me is what I am.

Overnight clearly China has threatened the protesters
We can ignore it if we like but this country turned its troops on to its own people once before, that we know about
Protesters have the support of most who want freedom
But reality shouts, a warning, they may very well be cutting the tree branch they sit on out from under them selves
Indy, mate, I think of the blood that may be spilled and can not understand your opinion

Belly,
I understand that you don't understand but you really should consider the fact that Australian thinking & mentality simply is incompatible with that of millennia old civilisations. It's literally impossible to get such old mentalities to adapt a non-culture based way of thinking of simply on money & profit !
How long do you think the money-profit economies will be sustainable for before they collapse just like Hong Kong now ? After all, IT IS all about money ! They're not protesting about their idealism, they're protesting to maintain their WESTERN money-profit culture ! This western culture is about quick profit, not long-term investment & planning. It is a very complex a situation made even more complex by greed !

China has a massive diaspora spread across the Pacific (with 1.2 million in Australia),and China is very interested in the capacity to use these people to further her power and her interests

I read a very interesting article written way
back in 2014 by Barclay Bram Shoemaker, that I
think is very relevant today. Ahoemaker pointed
out that whether or not Hongkongers will achieve
their aims and what effect this will have on the
mainland even in the long term was uncertain.

He asked that this however begs the question on
whether or not the mainland SHOULD become a democracy?

Shoemaker points out that democracy is superior to
authoritarianism in many ways. Aside from giving every
citizen a voice it is incomparably more stable.
Evidence for which can be seen by the amount of money
pouring into the UK, US, and Australia from China, Russia,
and the Middle East.

The two most common arguments against Chinese democracy
(re-its large population, and its culture being incompatible
with democracy) ring hollow.

India is comparably large and is one of the world's most
robust democracies and those who claim Chinese culture is
somehow incompatible with democracy overlook Taiwan.

However Shoemaker admits that if you look at the present
record of this century's new democracies the picture is not
a rosy one.

Russia nominally democratic recently annexed Crimea. Other
central Asian nations such as Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan,
who protestors looked to so hopefully more than 25 years
ago from Tiananmen, are nightmares. Iraq which the US
spent trillions democratizing is a basket case. The Arab
Spring, the great hope for democratizers the world over
has in reality been the greatest advertisement for the
longevity of the CCP.

All in all the conclusion seems to be that the river of
democracy might eventually flow into the mainland of China -
but for it to succeed it's institutions need to change.
And it won't happen any time soon.

There's more at the following link:

http://thediplomat.com/2014/11/is-china-incompatible-with-democracy/