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What is a Conservative in 2019?

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Runner in my opinion, and we both know that may be wrong
You represent everything I see wrong in a Conservative [the extreme type]
You make my case in that post
And your twisted hate and spite filled type of Christianity confirm, to me at least,
I do think some Conservatives are not far right
But it is getting harder to pick them out
Now for those like you, it is hard to determine a lefty from and true Social democratic, as lies labels not remotely related to truth get tossed around
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 11 August 2019 6:08:37 PM
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I have posted this quote on another thread and think it is quite apt;

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit:

There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Posted by SteeleRedux, Sunday, 11 August 2019 7:02:55 PM
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And in comes SR describing a socialist/communist system, & calling it a description of a conservative.

So there is your answer Belly, a conservative is not a lying grub lefty.
Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:36:02 PM
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Hey Belly,
I'm not exactly sure what the true definition of a conservative is;
But I identify myself as being more as a conservative simply because I do not identify as a progressive.
I see progressives as 'useful idiots' ignorantly helping to forward a world government agenda that I oppose.

That said however I may be shown that I support a number of things that others who may themselves identify as conservatives typically do not support.

"What is your view about Social welfare"

I believe society is best seved with a mixture of socialism and capitalism;
I won't support either models outright as I believe both have inherent flaws that only the other model can solve.
- So the challenge is to take the positive aspects of both models and refine a system that also adresses the flaws or negatives is each to create a better and fairer model that's in everyone's best inetersts, whilst learning from the mistakes of the past. -
I also believe in a handup not a handout.

We have capitalist healthcare (private hospitals) and a socialist healthcare base-level (public hospitals)
We have capitalist education (private schools) and a socialist education base-level (public schools)
The socialist base-levels provide a standard for everyone, whist the capitalist one allows for a better service than that provided by the base-level to those prepared to pay for it.

The system is flawed and we need socialist base-level jobs system (double dole for full time work)
- To counteract the cost of these other subsidised services.
You address the flaw of capitalism - the person who does not get the job -
- And create a new system that embraces the idea of 'the job you have when you don't have a job'

"Public health care"
Yes, I support public heathcare, but I don't support people abusing it.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:02:37 PM
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[Cont]
- Re Healthcare;
I think maybe there's a case for a co-payment for 'personal responsibility'
That is, when someone does stupid things that put themselves at risk of harm or things that have a negative or detrimental effect on their own health, other taxpayers shouldn't necessarily have to pay for their recklessness or aloofness.

"What would a conservative wish for the homeless"
I'm not sure, but I'd wish for a 'workable solution' and then I'd figure it out myself.
I can create a blueprint for a 'Job you have when you don't have a job' system.
I'm sure I can do the same with homes.

Migration? refugees
- Within reason, and so long as it doesn't negatively and detrimentally affect the integrity of the nation as a whole.
And so long as they understand that this is our country, and it's their job to integrate into the country they come into, and not our job to integrate into the country they came from.

"Defense, how should we defend this country"
From internal enemies or external enemies?

Internally, an understanding that democracy can be weaponised, and that we can be conquered and lose our soverignty via globalism.
Externally, submarines with nuclear strike capability, and anti ballistic missiles.
Generally, less reliance on global trade and greater capacity for local trade.

"Public transport should we continue to subsidise it"
Don't know, but we most certainly should never have sold it in the first place.
- Now the idea takes too much from the taxpayer -

(Cloward and Piven scenarios, - run into the ground and made a liability which made a case for sale and privatision)

"Tell me what you think a Conservative is, thank you"

Dunno Belly, I'm an individual, my own person and not part of a 'gang';
As such I try to look at each and every issue on it's own merits.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:10:14 PM
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I did not start this thread to snipe at Conservatives
And not to promote my side of politics
However some self interest is in all our posts
New Conservatives are taking voters we barely had away from Labor
We will not win them back by holding our breath and stamping our feet
Waiting for a recession to drive them back in our arms will not do it
My side must redefine if it wants to win an election or pamper minorities that have more,far more,enemies than voters
Yet I yearn for the days when voters knew a lie from the truth
I still watch with interest what those who are or have been brave enough to tell me what they think about Conservatives
Posted by Belly, Monday, 12 August 2019 6:21:49 AM
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