Are in fact the Chinese mainlanders behind the riots
Or are students playing with fire
Every chance exists China will[whatever the driving reason] end those riots by entering Hong Kong in force
No not being critical of the rioters even see why they are concerned but remember that square those murdered kids shot by soldiers in thier own army
We will one day see China for what it is becoming not the bottomless pit we think will forever buy what we want to sell them

Dear Belly,

According to an article in news.com.au -
the Hong Kong protests are evolving. They're
no longer about an end to integration with
China.

Willy Lam, adjunct professor at the Chinese University
of Hong Kong told CNN that even 100 soldiers in the
CBD of Hong Kong would have a very chilling impact on
multi-national companies based in Hong Kong.

China's Xinhua official news agency published an
editorial yesterday saying that "ugly forces" were
threatening the country. Those "ugly forces"are the
Hong Kong pro-democracy protesters.

It is a dangerous situation. The central government
will not according to the news agency sit idly by
and let this situation continue.

Prof. Lam says that the sound of Chinese People's
Liberation army boots on Hong Kong streets would
be "unimaginably detrimental". Prof. Lam warns that it
would lead to a Hong Kong stock market crash, a housing
price collapse, and a mass exodus of businesses and even
residents.

Hey Belly,
I haven't seen the news;
My guess is that Trump has foreign operatives helping to enflame civil unrest and protests in Hong Kong as part of 'Trade War Negotiations'.
My second guess would be that China will try to resist sending troops into Hong Kong.
It would look like a desperate and humiliating move.
My third guess is they will therefore use the existing police forces in Hong Kong to put down the protests;
And if necessarily secretly bolster that force with Chinese Police or Army posing as Hong Kong police.

Why? No particular reason, maybe that's just what I'd do.
- This is why I said it's a guess.

Sadly it is only a question of WHEN, not of WILL.

The Hong Kong people, Britain and the world must prepare for the inevitable by purchasing/leasing land on the Northern shore of the Philippines and building there the New Hong Kong.

This is a necessary tactical retreat. The big war will be over Taiwan and it will be a bloody one. Meanwhile we should wean ourselves from trading with China, because an abrupt stop would cost us much more. If you notice "Made in China" on a label, place the item back on the shelf!

In 1902 there were about 2million casualties in Philippines when US took it from Spain and enforced liberty and freedom . Britain made China agree to be nice in Hong Kong , which is surprising as UK never allowed democracy there, itself. Hong Kong belongs to
1) Philippines
2) USA
3) HM QE II
4) China
5) Australia.

Dear Belly,

You are asking 'Will China enter Hong Kong?' Aren't they already in there? The real question is 'When will the Communist Party send in the Red Army to quell further rioting?. Sooner than later I imagine.

The Hong Kong workers and peasants are the communist red army who seized victory in Peking. Beijing now has a rich emperor.

Dear Nick,

It is not funny to laugh at other people's pain.

I think you are mistaken. It's not laughter. China's Communist Party has capitalism to pay for imperial domination by one imperial leader. Its police and army serve that policy. The impetus for the old communist rebellion is seen in Hong Kong protests , even if Marxism is not in their thoughts.

-
On another topic, sovereign citizens in Australia would be standing on Aboriginal land or Amerindian land in US. If they accept tribal law they are not sovereign. If they reject the tribe their theory gets wobbly and they would have risked a bit of trouble from spear or tomahawk. One option is to get a group of sovereigns together and fight the tribe... like colonials setting up a federal authority over people who weren't in the sovereign group.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/this-student-attended-a-protest-at-an-australian-uni-days-later-chinese-officials-visited-his-family-20190807-p52eqb.html
I truly fear some of the answers prove we are as a country not truly aware how bad things are
China has its new silk road dreams, it has colonised by economic loans and debt the Pacific and African nations
AC not seen the news? please read online news sites see China [as the link says] even warning its ex citizens now living abroad to toe their line
China, like Japan in the 1930,s is building towards its dream being the center of the world controlling everything

Dear Belly,

You have an odd way of expressing yourself but what you just said above hits the nail right on the head.

Maybe a good solution for the people of Hong Kong would be to migrate to Australia like the millions of Chinese who have already done so over the past several decades. Half the population of Sydney is Chinese so they would definitely feel at home there; and Melbourne is on its way to becoming a second Australian Chinese city so there's plenty of living space for them there as well. And of course it fits in well with ScuMo's plans for Australia having a Chinese future. It's a win-win situation for both the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese people.

Not sure we could take millions of migrants, the population of Hong Kong
Am sure even if we did we still would face invasion from China
Find myself in strange company here a man I regard as extreme right,agrees with me, having read his thoughts I agree with him
Let us be honest, the flower power days blinded many, any thought we should disarm, is insanity, unless our opponent is doing the same
China is no friend believe me trade is not friendship
Our apathy, refusal to see China for what itis helps only China

China thinks it owns other parts like north China, south China ,west China. When they start long marches in their cities Australia will take them too . 200million , 600million. fair enough.

The Chinese government is in a bind. Their economy is staggering in the wake of Trump's tariff war and they are struggling to hold it together. They know that Hong Kong is a major ingredient in the success of the Chinese economy over the past 2 decades and that a major disruption to HK's prosperity would have multiplier effects through eastern China.

So they want to go softly on the HK uprising. There's no point going in hardcore when things aren't completely dire.

My guess is that they are trying to emulate Macron who simply out-waited the yellow shirts. Pick off a few leaders, make protesting increasingly uncomfortable and threatening, but don't go full Tiananmen just yet.

The protesters on the other hand cannot surely be so clueless as to think that China will meekly roll over and accede to the demands. Even though China has tried hard to suppress all knowledge of what happen in June 1989, it hasn't really succeeded in doing so in HK. So the protesters will be aware that they can only go so far before the government finally decides that the downsides of destroying the culture of HK is out-weighed by the downsides of letting open rebellion continue.

The problem is that these leaderless types of rebellions have a habit of spiralling out of control (like 1989) as apparent success encourages the hot-heads to go for more.

In the end the Chinese government is very anxious to protect their economy by not over-reacting in HK. Its for the best in regards to China. But ultimately what's good for China is secondary to what's good for the Chinese leadership. This they will protect that power with all the means at their disposal.

If it goes the way of the yellow-shirts it will fizzle out but remain a running sore in Beijing-HK relations. If it goes Tiananmen, the problems in the Chinese economy will spiral downward uncontrollably.

And the ramifications of that will be catastrophic for the Australian economy.

Dear Belly,

Liberal MP Andrew Hastie compared the rise of China
to the rise of Nazi Germany.

Interesting thought. How does that compare with Mr
Trump's America?

cont'd ...

Some here on the forum would probably blame it all on
the conspiracy myths of the Rothschilds (sick).

Adolf Hitler was part Jewish but Trump is not German or Jewish..
Donald Trump's Real Birth Certificate Reveals He Is A ...

https://trumpbirthers.blogspot.com/2011/04/donald-trumps-real-birth-certificate.html

17/04/2011 · Trump was born in South Africa. His father was there on business (buying diamonds) and conceived Trump with a woman he met there. You can see her Dutch genes in Trump, the light reddish hair and very fair skin is Low Country Dutch.

'Liberal MP Andrew Hastie compared the rise of China
to the rise of Nazi Germany.

Interesting thought. How does that compare with Mr
Trump's America?'

You obviously have not been to Israel lately Foxy. The vast majority love Trump and have actually named part of Golan Heights after him. Your slurs and innuendos are sickening at best. Constantly you have the lefist Jeremy Corban and Justin trudeau displaying anti seminitc vomit and no reports from the luvvies. You are either deliberatley ignorant or totally bigotted which fits in with the marxist rubbish you are sprouting.

runner,

You obviously don't listen to the news and
what Mr Trump's playing the racist card is
doing to the country. He tweets far-right
tropes and its having a bad effect.
It's tempting to believe that the man just
doesn't know what he's doing - but the
evidence is to the contrary.

I realise that you're a big fan of the man.
But seriously, that does not change the man's
behaviour. Criticism of any leaders actions -
especially a leader of a powerful nation like
the US should not be censored. The man is a
fascist. His behaviour shows that.

As for Israel? It need US support and money.

cont'd ...

runner,

As Tom Cruise once stated - (applying to your posts
on this forum) :

"PUT YOUR MANNERS BACK IN!"

That is if you ever were taught any manners.

Foxy

your hate and loathing of Trump is obvious. Comparing Trump with Hitler is a total insult to millions of massacred Jews. I realise he has exposed the totally dishonest lying liberal media and the hoaxes brought about by crooked democrats. It must pain you to see the total corruption of the one's you look up to. Anyone with any decency would be able to see the anti semitic nature of the left of politics. Seems you are happy to embrace lies and continue in your fantasies.

Trump could be accused of many things rightly (he is a flawed individual), however the fact that he has more American Africans in jobs, most Jews love him and that has put America above the corrupt degenerate UN might not be liked by you however his support base is growing.

Criticism of policies is one thing. Comparing Trump with Hitler is a slimy lie that results in far more violence than we ever see from gun massacres and you seem happy to be part of it.

"Interesting thought. How does that compare with Mr
Trump's America?"

Well it leaves Trump's America in much the same position as Roosevelt's America - the only democratic state powerful enough to stand against the forces of totalitarian imperialism.

The parallels between China and Germany aren't perfect but good enough. A powerful totalitarian state with a burning desire to right what is sees as the wrongs perpetrated against it by history. A state which believes it and its people are the natural hegemons of the world. A state where all the resources of the state are devoted to the ambitions of its leaders with a massive military build up accompanied by professions of peaceful intentions.

And a massive number of westerners who really want to turn a blind-eye to the bleeding obvious before them in the hopes of buying peace at any price.

Of course there aren't any Jewish pogroms in China although the Uighurs might beg to disagree.

One big difference is that the German leadership believed they had a small window of opportunity to establish their empire before bigger neighbours overwhelmed them. China on the other hand thinks time is on its side. The Germans were wrong. Perhaps the Chinese are as well.

runner,

You can protest all you like. Frankly I don't
care. However, with headlines from the New York
Times and other American papers - like -

"If you're not scared about fascism in the US
you should be."

AND - " Will we stop Trump before its too late?"

And - "Trump and the rhetoric of fascism."

And the list goes on. Only indicates that there is
a problem. And denying it won't help solve it.

' And denying it won't help solve it.'

yeah Foxy and denying that planned parenthood is the closest thing to Hitler in America will continue for you to live in fantasy and display your ignorant hatreds along with the lying liberal media and corrupt sooky Hilary sore losers.

Banal cliches work for all of them.
"To create those jobs, Trump promised to boost economic growth to 4 percent per year. He pledged to create good, well-paying jobs ".

"the Nazis’ appeal was that they promised to make Germany’s economy strong again. Hitler aimed for full employment".

Deng Xiaoping “To get rich is no sin. However, what we mean by getting rich is different from what you mean. Wealth in a socialist society belongs to the people.”

runner,

You and Trump have so much in common.

I can see why you'd identify with him.

You never disappoint.

Runner there is a blindness in your posts about Trump and Abortion
Yet that blindness screams redneck, nothing to see here
You introduced Hastie but never saw I first named him, and agreed with his thoughts
We are at risk of war with China
We are at risk of recession just because China wants one
Trump, idiot that he is, has weakened the west
His America may not even come to our aid, if war breaks out, unless they need us or our country
Tonight in NSW the Abortion laws, tragically very old[ ignored by both sides of the house] face change
A FREE VOTE FOR BOTH SIDES HAS BEEN GRANTED
Christians, not all extremists like you, are using unwanted intrusive power to stop my state becoming much like the rest of the country, faith has no place in governing any country

Rednecks and Republicans with colour red are not Reds but blue conservative where Hitler's flag was red socialist like China's with stars of heaven for divine favour. Maybe President Xi is a saint , dunno wot to think.

You know its really our own fault;
Well, maybe not us individually, none of us created this system
But ultimately this is the price of capitalism;

The price of the western democratic nations corporations offshoring manufacturing and labour to non-democratic or third world nations gain an edge over competition and thus increase profit.
The price of being a shareholder in companies and looking for a better return;
The price of ever cheaper goods as a consumer.
The price of a slow move to a reliance upon global goods as opposed to local goods.
The price of pathetic politicians who fail us with policy.

We talk about China being a threat, well made them what they are;
Everytime we bought something from there that we were too lazy to make here ourselves.

We didn't create this system, but we should try to see the bigger picture of where it ends so we can make more responsible choices for our nations future.

You all know by now that Australia has a Chinese future and you all need to accept it.

quote from Dr. Kathi Aultman, OBGYN, former abortionists and former Medical Director for Planned Parenthood 'I was a mass murderer'

Of course we believe all women don't we Foxy except when it exposes your devlish dogmas.

runner,

I'm not familiar with the language you're using.
Therefore your comments make no sense to me
Please explain what you mean. I'm unfamiliar with
your terminology.

cont'd ...

runner,

I asked a dear friend, our parish priest to
explain your terminology to me. But he
wasn't familiar with your biblical terminology.

Do you belong to some sect - that is illegal in
this country. It's all right, I won't tell anyone.

Chinese Reality

China, the Central Kingdom, believes that only China is a
sovereign country, all other peripheral countries are vassal states.
These other states must pay tribute.
China believes this rather surprising attitude is real and based on
its history.
This principle is known as "tianxia".

China was not a party to the 1648 Westphalian Treaty
which defined what is a sovereign country and describes how a
countries borders are defined. As a result China does not recognise
the treaty. It believes in its own definitions.

As a result President Xi Jingping recently made the point that the
United States is NOT a sovereign country.
They do not recognise the definition of what a sovereign country or
borders etc means.

Chinese believe that all other countries are vassal
states to China and owe tribute. This system was in operation for
centuries but the arrival of voyaging Europeans resulted in it being
an unenforceable policy.

Today the current Chinese government is starting to operate as
if Tianxia is a viable and acceptable policy.
This can be seen in such actions as the Sth China Sea claims and
ordering other countries navies and aircraft to leave the area
immediately in most perfunctory manner.
They simply do not accept the law of the sea and impose their own
rules. This attitude makes it believe they can shine lasers into the
eyes of pilots of US military aircraft. Other countries are not
sovereign and are subservient to Chinese policy.

We need to adjust our relations with China in a way as to
demonstrate that such an attitude is not acceptable.

Dear Bazz,

This is the second time you have posted this explanation. I hope that's not the extent of your knowledge.

The traditional political culture of China necessitates that it has an emperor and I think Xi Jinping is playing that role but under a communist ideology, not a Confucian ideology.

What everyone needs to do is come to terms with is the fact that Australia has a Chinese future. Take a walk around Sydney where every second person is Chinese.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/we-need-to-talk-about-china-why-hastie-was-right-to-sound-the-alarm-20190808-p52f8u.html
Yes I post a link from what I see as a right wing extremist
Because he is right
China like 1930,s Japan, is social engineering its population
Telling them how to behave watching them using technology and even brainwashing Muslims
Do not forget they did much the same recently, with another faith
We sold them a one hundred year lease on Darwin port?
It is beyond our personal biases, we will not stop them without great efforts
And we will suffer not just economically but our very lifestyles will suffer if they cut trade or trade routes

OPIN, yes it is a similar post except I expanded it a bit.
It needs repeating.
Yesterdays news about the Chinese survey ship in Vietnamese economic
areas, and in a dispute over the gas fields which China is claiming.
The Chinese ship was forced to leave but is still nearby.
From China's point of view it could claim the Arafura Sea.
Yes, I am aware of the number of Chinese in our local area.
Just watch the schools each afternoon.

Not sure the number of Chinese in this country matters, but China is trying to control even them
See some, in my party too, are calling for a stop to concerns being mentioned that is pure stupidity
Trade can be turned off like a tap, used as a weapon
We must be mature about this, not confrontational but never an easy push over in the name of trade

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/trump-s-easy-war-has-struck-fear-into-the-global-economy-20190808-p52f0c.html
Every single one of us would do well to read the link
Or find it in this mornings Age or SMH,
We must not sit twiddling our thumbs this is serious, it threatened us all
And as Trump has 17 months till his election, likely to be reelection, it will get worse
In America you can fool some of the people all of the time

Just a coupla things on the topic and some of the comments.

1. Half of Sydney is NOT Chinese. There isn't the slightest evidence for anything remotely like that number. Its just a made-up number from a made-up academic. Its disturbing that some believe it or are prepared to accept it.

2. The inane claims that "The man [Trump] is a fascist" are utterly wrong. Despite Foxy's charmingly naive evidence via newspaper headlines, asserting (for that's all it is - claims sans evidence) that Trump is a fascist shows an utter misunderstand of both Trump and fascism.

In regards to newspaper headlines, anyone who saw the way the NYT caved into Democrat instructions to report the anti-Trump narrative rather than the facts (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-york-times-changes-headline-on-trump-shooting-response-after-presidential-candidates-call-them-out) and who still accepted the NYT as an unbiased source, is clearly anxious to be misled. I thought this apology ( :) ) - http://spectator.us/letter-subscribers-new-york-times/ ...summed up the truth pretty well.

3. AC was sorta right when he explained the rise of China being our fault. "We talk about China being a threat, well made them what they are; Everytime we bought something from there that we were too lazy to make here ourselves." These were errors forced on us by the so-called experts in the western governments who were prepared to destroy the western working class to aid the Chinese working class. In fact they aided the Chinese ruling class.

It is this monumnetal error that Trump is now fixing.

4. The long view. This missive from Conrad Black explains what is happening in the world around you, events that are going over so many heads...
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/trump-plays-the-long-game-on-china/90789/

'I asked a dear friend, our parish priest to
explain your terminology to me. But he
wasn't familiar with your biblical terminology.'

I suggest Foxy you ask your dear parish priest if he believes murdering the unborn as evil. If not he definetely should not be in the job along with the kiddie fiddlers in the Catholic church. Hard to work out what is more evil.

mHazeyes true in factnot more than five percent, probably much less of our population is Chinese
Why some blind themselves to the truth baffles me
But China not its people wants power either by trade or war
We are entering a trade war,it will not end till after next years American elections
Trump, now likely to win, may do a deal after that

Dear Bazz,

Looks like you're a Sydneysider like me. What do you think of mhaze claiming that only 1 in 20 people in Sydney are Chinese?

Belly, yes. About 5% of Sydney population is Chinese or China born according the Australian Bureau of Statistics based on the census. I prefer the data from the ABS than some bozo walking around Chatswood making guesses about people's heritage.

Yes we are entering or are in a trade war because that's the only way we can force China to abide by the rules of international trade. I agree that the end of trade war won't happen until after the next US election. The Chinese and, for that matter, the North Koreans, are going to wait to see if someone other than Trump wins because then they'll get someone who they can manipulate like the previous presidents. If its Biden they'll get someone whose family they've previously bribed so that'll be so much the better from their point of view.

But the trade war is about forcing China to live by the rules and thereby reducing their ability to intimidate their neighbours.

So yes, little likelihood of a full agreement until after November next year. Then if Trump wins they'll race to settle all issues because the Trump measures are having a devastating affect on the Chinese economy. And if its a Democrat then, after they've stopped cheering, the Chinese will go back to ripping off the USA and the west in general.

Dear mhaze,

Would you mind if I enquire as to where you live in Australia?

Force China to live by the rules:
"The last sovereign of Manuʻa signed a Deed of Cession of Manuʻa aboard a Pacific Squadron gunboat. The territory became known as the U.S. Naval Station Tutuila and officially renamed American Samoa."

In 2021 , the last Prime Minister , Peter Dutton, signed a Deed for the remaining parts of Australia aboard a Chinese aircraft carrier . The land was named Gangkou Darwin "Darwin Harbour".

Mhaze, I would accept the ABS statistics BUT are they counting people
who look Chinese or people who have come from China. A big difference.
In the Westfields near here a new restaurant opened called Shenzhen
I think it is, I looked in, all the staff were Chinese and all the customers were Chinese.
The train arrives at some stations and a couple of hundred board.
All of them Chinese.
A neighbour is a tutor. All her customers are Chinese.
They are hard workers. They let nothing stop them.
Unfortunately that trait leads them to illegal activity and rule bending.

Dear Bazz,

Sounds like you are seeing the same thing I am: lots and lots of Chinese around Sydney. Must be something wrong with our eyes because as mhaze as pointed out only 1 in 20 people in Sydney is Chinese. The problem with you and me is that we are basing our numbers on what we observe when we look around Sydney instead of taking our facts from the ABS figures. As mhaze will point out, Darwin made the same mistake when basing his theory of evolution on his observations in the Galapagos Islands instead of using ABS figures. Smart guy that mhaze, he's got it all figured out! I reckon he must be an engineer or someone similar, where they educate people by rote learning instead of critical thinking.

Mhaze again agree with everything you said, but, yes America was leaking
It needed to balance trade, buy more from not just China,buying more than they sell
Not sure introducing anti trade protectionism is the answer
Mr Opinion, face it mate, your bias is blinding you to TRUTH
M haze quoted unchallengeable true figures
You try to fight the truth
Again this morning's news questions will China enter Hong Kong
My question is are the protestors [who I support] pushing a bit too much for their own and Hong Kong's safety?
Trump I still despise the man, yet he has every chance of being re elected
Reasons? too many Democratic candidates, too many working class rednecks in that country, stock market likes him, America has one of the world's most uninformed voters

Dear Belly,

If mhaze is only an engineer which I suspect he is then that tells you where he is coming from.

Dear Belly,

Bias? What bias? All I'm saying is that every second person in Sydney is Chinese and Australia has a Chinese future. So are you saying that I am bias towards Chinese people?

Mr Opinion! surely you understand m haze quoted the OFFICIAL figures
Surely you must think every Asian is Chinese
On what grounds do you challenge his numbers straight from this country's official numbers department
Look do not get the infection, some here have, ignoring the truth to express personal biases
Right now, this day, it is quite possible Chins will move in to Hong Kong
Bank on it they will not stand by forever and watch the protests get bigger
Re-read about that massacre of their own people in that Democracy demonstration
Humanity is not a concern for modern China

Bazz

"I would accept the ABS statistics BUT are they counting people
who look Chinese or people who have come from China."

They are counting people who report in the census that they were born in China. Other or their statistics count the number of people who report that one or both parents were born in China.

Look, it makes precisely no sense to see an area where there are lots of Chinese type people about and to extrapolate from that as to the nature of a whole city or nation. Fake academics might do that but not anyone whose IQ has a '1' in front of it.

I recently made a nostalgic trip to the Sydney suburb I was raised in. It now has a very large Indian community. The small street I was raised in is now entirely Indian occupied. The milk bar I got my first kiss in is now an Indian produce store. There's Indian take-way where the local butcher was. The local corner store is now a computer shop run by Indians. Now if I was a fake academic, I could conclude that Australia is 50% Indian. But if I went a few suburbs over, I could conclude that we are being over-run by Lebanese. Eastwood now has a large Korean community. Spend a day there and our local fake academic would conclude that 50% of Sydney is Korean.

Its just dumb and defies all logic.

While I'm at it, how do you or the fake academic know that the faces you see are Chinese. How do you distinguish Chinese from Korean, or Taiwanese, or North Vietnamese, or Mongols, or Tibetans, or ..or.. or?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/pro-hong-kong-students-in-australia-filmed-threatened-and-intimidated-20190808-p52fa8.html
Only Soviet Russia did this in our country trade or not we must take a stand against this country and set down rules for them as they do with us

Dear mhaze,

You are really getting yourself in a muddle. Now you are trying to tell us that only some Chinese are Chinese even though they are actually Chinese. It's looking more and more that you are just an engineer. It's obvious you don't live in Sydney and probably have never even stepped foot in the city so why not come to Sydney and put he ABS figures to the test by taking a look for yourself? Or don't you want to prove yourself wrong?

Dear mhaze,

So I see where you are claiming to be originally from Sydney and made a recent visit. I now see your problem: you think every second person is Indian! How does that fit in with your ABS bible? I thought the ABS was saying that only 1% are Indian. But here you are telling us everyone is Indian. A case of too many Indians, not enough Chinese?

Mr Opinion, the ABS quoted by mhaze is the AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF STATICS
How can you challenge them?
Clearly you need to back down and hope we forget you insist on producing nonfact as truth
I can only hope I am as wrong in my fears about China and the next ten years
I see confrontation in trade and even a chance militarily

Dear Belly,

And there's a page in the ABS bible that says:

'mhaze is just an engineer and believes everything he reads because he has been trained to rote learn only and he cannot think critically.'

Well the thread has had its day
We drift into personal insults and ignore a very real danger to world peace, even our freedom
But we did get intelligent comments and understanding
We will revisit the subject, because it will not go away
We too will question our country's reliance on America

Dear Belly,

I would like to make a parting comment.

If the Chinese Communist Party sends troops into Hong Kong to quell the freedom demonstrations what sort of signal would that send to Taiwan and would Taiwan ramp up its preparedness for an invasion by Communist China? Can the Chinese Communist Party afford to make a bad situation worse than it already is?

Mr Opinion, I firmly think China, one way or the other will take control of Taiwan
The question is can America [ no longer promising to protect that Island] afford to confront China?

Dear Belly,

By what means do you think China will take possession of Taiwan?

Any means it takes it maybe be by arrangement with that country
Trade embargo forcing it, or even outright war
A chance exists some already working in Taiwan are undermining the government right now
Once war would involve America, not these days maybe
Hong Kong returns to mainland by agreement but it too maybe be forced long before that takes place
China Cannot be trusted

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/hong-kong-protests-us-diplomat-julie-eadeh-china-11798402

Told you this was all part of Trumps trade negotiations.

Fantasy old mate, outside America Trump does not have the support to throw a party
He however, as his threat then back down tactic is seen as empty, is trying to use every international event
Highlighting he seems very likely to be in the early stages of dementia
Maybe he has always been a few screws loose but his impact on world stock exchanges can be seen by all who will look

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2019/08/29/china-troops-hong-kong/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM%20Update%20-%2020190829
Well my question has been answered
This week we may well see a sea of blood
And ask did the protesters understand they put all their chips on the table knowing one spin may bring the very opposite to what they wanted
A balance was needed not an end to protests but well thought out ones

The people of Hong Kong need to realise that this is no longer the place for them, that their city is doomed. They need to leave and rebuild their city on the northern shores of the Phillipines.

The fight with evil China will continue and freedom will eventually win, but it will take the time and cost the blood of millions. Meanwhile a tactical retreat is necessary and the world needs to help the good people of Hong Kong to move out and rebuild.

yuyutsu could not agree more, and it is so sad just think a nation so controlled it even watches its ex country men and women over seas
Hong Kong was always going to be under China's control, we hoped at the date described but seems unlikely
Doubt the migration you speak of can take place but hope this calms down and deaths do not take place